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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 2:28 PM
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Looks great, a more polished design. Their previous web page design was harsh and disorganized, it looked like an internet page from the 90s.
Just to refresh everyone's memory, http://web.archive.org/web/20080212195359/http://www.tourismsaskatoon.com/

The new page does look much better and more polished.
     
     
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Reading through the cities budget I noticed the city is purchasing 4 accordian buses. Do you think this will lend itself to Saskatoon's and Saskatchewan's first BRT route? This is very exciting if this is the case! Hopefully this will encourage people to utilize public transit more often. The system still needs some improvements but overall it is pretty good.
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But better than the current building, right?

Its 2-3 storeys too isn't it?
It's probably better, but that's not saying much heh. I believe part of it is 2-3 stories with a rooftop terrace type thing on the lower section (they showed a couple of "people" standing out on it). I didn't like the look of the taller section, it just looked almost jail like with skinny windows spaced out from one another. Once the drawing is released I'll be able to look at it closer and maybe I'll change my mind .
     
     
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City of Saskatoon unveils record-$242M capital budget

Rod Nickel
TheStarPhoenix.com

Wednesday, November 26, 2008

SASKATOON - A record $241.7-million capital budget for the City of Saskatoon will start paying for future mega-projects like the south bridge and new police station while struggling to keep up with regular maintenance and repairs of streets and bridges.

But a growing number of projects aren't making the cut as demands on infrastructure outstrip the balance in city reserves.

Without new, non-designated federal and provincial funding for non-flashy work like fixing water lines and repaving streets, the city projects a backlog of $195 million worth of projects in the next five years. Senior government funding typically goes toward new projects, accompanied by ribbon-cutting photo-ops and signs.

"There's nothing glamourous about digging up sewer pipe or repaving a block that's 40 years old," said city manager Phil Richards.

"But those are the day-to-day issues."

The 2009 capital budget, which was unveiled Wednesday afternoon, includes $103 million to develop land in new neighbourhoods like Evergreen, Rosewood and Blairmore; $10.14 million to do preliminary work on Circle Drive South; and $5 million to design the new police station and acquire land.

Last year's capital budget was set at $218.4 million.
Almost half the budget on the new suburbs, wow! Really shows a glimpse of how much it costs to "build out".
     
     
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I'm writing a paper on how to make my community more sustainable and green and I felt the best way to tackle this was through a plan to improve Saskatoon's public transit and mass transit system. I was just wondering if anyone had some info. they would like to share. My plan was to install mass transit system within the circle drive route and then BRT throughout the areas outside of circle drive and reroute buses for better functionality. Let's hear the ideas!
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Almost half the budget on the new suburbs, wow! Really shows a glimpse of how much it costs to "build out".

Maybe they could take that 100 mil and start replacing some of the old lead water lines?
     
     
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Almost half the budget on the new suburbs, wow! Really shows a glimpse of how much it costs to "build out".
I was a little alarmed by that as well, but I think I heard something on the news about that money being recoverable when they sell the lots. I wonder what the numbers look like in terms of return on that money plus land value compared to the selling price of lots.
     
     
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I'm writing a paper on how to make my community more sustainable and green and I felt the best way to tackle this was through a plan to improve Saskatoon's public transit and mass transit system. I was just wondering if anyone had some info. they would like to share. My plan was to install mass transit system within the circle drive route and then BRT throughout the areas outside of circle drive and reroute buses for better functionality. Let's hear the ideas!
Saskatoon is not dense enough, nor the population large enough, nor the city physically large enough to make public transport a truly viable travel option for both captive and choice riders. Enhancements to the BRT system such as dedicated right of ways and transit priority, etc, will increase the efficiency of operations, thus reducing costs, by allowing buses to circumvent traffic-related delays and may make public transit slightly more attractive, thus attracting a few more riders. Increasing suburban service (outside Circle Drive) will only cost more precious operating dollars, and generate far too few additional riders to make it all worth while.

If I had to pick three, the answers for making Saskatoon a more livable and sustainable city (and one that, IMO, will be capable of surviving in a post-energy future, which today it is not) are infill and high density development, adding disincentives to parking and driving, and developing cycling and walking infrastructure.

Saskatoon is far too sparse to make alternative transportation as easy as it should/could be in our climate, further incentive-izing the private auto. Actions in this area include:
  • moratorium on leapfrogging or new suburban development at the periphery of the city
  • forcing surburban developers to pay for lot servicing costs and road construction
  • further incentive-izing infill development
  • accelerating development of City Yards and other underused spaces within the city core, to unify the city
  • removing freight rail from within the city at the earliest opportunity

Driving in Saskatchewan is far too easy and inexpensive. Actions here include:
  • Remove or reduce parking requirements from zoning bylaws, particularly for mixed use zones
  • Charge actual costs of maintaining auto-infrastructure to car-users through tolls, high downtown/BID parking costs, etc
  • Accelerating development of parking lots in high-density areas, and reducing parking requirements and setting parking lot size LIMITS (not minimums) for suburban areas
  • Divest the city from building massive road-building projects (cancel Circle Dr South, etc)

Saskatoon is the perfect-size city for driving. Fortunately, it is also the perfect size city for cycling and walking. Distance usually isn't an issue when cycling in Saskatoon. Really, the bicycle is the best match for transportation-based solutions to city-sustainability. Ironically, walking, the most basic of forms of transportation, something even the most die-hard car-loving, transit- and cyclist-hating, motorist must do at some point, is the most difficult task to accomplish in Stoon. Most of our streets lack sidewalk infrastructure on both sides, many do not have sidewalks at all. Actions here include:
  • creating new road-building standards that enforce the creation of COMPLETE STREET, streets that are built for ALL road users, not just cars. All new streets must accommodate cars, cyclists, and pedestrians in dedicated rights-of-way. Older streets would be upgraded by removing traffic lanes and re-allocating them to sidewalks and cycle lanes
  • accelerating development of bicycle route network
  • paving and maintaining sidewalks on streets were they currently don't exists. ALL streets must be walkable and bikeable, not just drivable.
  • accelerate accessibility efforts to ensure Saskatoon is fully accessible to less-abled people.

There is a litany of over areas one can look at as well. Where do we get our food? Should we grow it in/around the city? Are we going to be able to truck in food/resources for diesel costs are so high, no trucks operate? Fresh water supply? Solar power? Community grids?...

This is just my knee-jerk thoughts on this, and my intention isn't to kibosh your paper's topic. In fact, my advice to definitely to continue on your topic, but mention the caveat of BRT being a part of the solution to the rather bloated problems of sprawl and auto-dependence. I'm a big fan of additional public transit infrastructure and service (mostly because I prefer to take transit, instead of driving) and of BRT for rapid transit in what I call "transit-hostile" environments of the Canadian prairies. Public transportation improvements such as BRT certainly help create a socially just city, and may reduce emissions and congestion, but it is not the panacea to our problems, only a component of a solution. While it makes transit more attractive, comfortable, and efficient, it does nothing to address disincentive-izing auto-travel, nor fixing the urban fabric of a city by closing the "gashes" and barriers between and within neighbourhoods created by wide roadways such as freeways or arterials.

Incidentally, is this the paper for GEOG 240? I'd like to take it next fall, what did you think of the course?

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Saskatoon is not dense enough, nor the population large enough, nor the city physically large enough to make public transport a truly viable travel option for both captive and choice riders. Enhancements to the BRT system such as dedicated right of ways and transit priority, etc, will increase the efficiency of operations, thus reducing costs, by allowing buses to circumvent traffic-related delays and may make public transit slightly more attractive, thus attracting a few more riders. Increasing suburban service (outside Circle Drive) will only cost more precious operating dollars, and generate far too few additional riders to make it all worth while.

If I had to pick three, the answers for making Saskatoon a more livable and sustainable city (and one that, IMO, will be capable of surviving in a post-energy future, which today it is not) are infill and high density development, adding disincentives to parking and driving, and developing cycling and walking infrastructure.

Saskatoon is far too sparse to make alternative transportation as easy as it should/could be in our climate, further incentive-izing the private auto. Actions in this area include:
  • moratorium on leapfrogging or new suburban development at the periphery of the city
  • forcing surburban developers to pay for lot servicing costs and road construction
  • further incentive-izing infill development
  • accelerating development of City Yards and other underused spaces within the city core, to unify the city
  • removing freight rail from within the city at the earliest opportunity

Driving in Saskatchewan is far too easy and inexpensive. Actions here include:
  • Remove or reduce parking requirements from zoning bylaws, particularly for mixed use zones
  • Charge actual costs of maintaining auto-infrastructure to car-users through tolls, high downtown/BID parking costs, etc
  • Accelerating development of parking lots in high-density areas, and reducing parking requirements and setting parking lot size LIMITS (not minimums) for suburban areas
  • Divest the city from building massive road-building projects (cancel Circle Dr South, etc)
I agree, I would love to see the city yards, and area around the Robin Hood flour mill redeveloped into high density residential, but removing the tracks and rerouting the rail system through the city and even taking it as far as demolishing the flour mills could cost a fortune. But I agree, it would be well worth it for the cityscape.

And as far as hating suburbs, new neighbourhoods, sprawl, whatever you call it. I live in the burbs and work less than 3 minutes away driving, so completely with in the range of walking distance. I am not as much of a neighbourhood hater as you I guess. Not everyone works or wants to live downtown either. People like their space, a yard, a place for their kids to play, a nice deck etc... You can't get that in Residential tower....

As for building road projects like Circle Dr. South, I think that has to be done. They can maybe shelve their plans for the north, but there needs to be an additional south bridge. Why, because people drive and people get goods in semi-trailers.

I don't know about tolls, we are too small of a city to have a toll bridge. Plus it would slow traffic down too much.

So what could make Saskatoon a more "Green" city?

My answer is, and always will be, parkspace or park areas, trees, etc.. We already have a lot of it, but it is always good to see more. Cars, and pollution associated with them will always be a problem until technology catches up, and thereafter it won't be a problem. You can't make people sacrafice their cars and their yards for the purpose of making a green city... it's just not in the cards.

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I agree, I would love to see the city yards, and area around the Robin Hood flour mill redeveloped into high density residential, but removing the tracks and rerouting the rail system through the city and even taking it as far as demolishing the flour mills could cost a fortune. But I agree, it would be well worth it for the cityscape.
Yeah, it would be pricey, but over 20-50 years, the costs would be incremental, and shared between the private and public sectors for various projects.

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And as far as hating suburbs, new neighbourhoods, sprawl, whatever you call it. I live in the burbs and work less than 5 minutes away driving, so completely with in the range of pedestrian traffic. I am not as much of a neighbourhood hater as you I guess. Not everyone wants to live downtown either. People like their space, a yard, a place for their kids to play, a nice deck etc... You can't get that in Residential tower....
Well, I love urban neighborhoods.

I grew up in suburban Edmonton, and developed a refined aversion for suburbia for reasons on a list as long as my arm. I'll admit that I have become a new-age, sensitive, metrosexual, creative class, socialist, urbanite yuppie scum in reaction to it. Kids, cul-de-sacs, and "sandpiper beige" cookie-cutter garage doors aren't for me.

BUT, they certainly are for 80-90 percent of Saskatonians. Suburbs, for good or bad, are where a majority of (western) Canadians live, and, like them or not, they are here to stay. Something that I'm considering studying as part of my masters in planning thesis is how to adapt suburbs so they are more livable communities that aren't reliant on the car. They would have to be more self sufficient, denser, friendlier to alternative travel, and have more integrated land use patterns.

I think the notion of suburban living as being a default "necessity" for families as largely false and misguided. I'd argue that there are increasing rates of depression, subversive and violent behaviour found in suburban youth, and it is largely attributed to the dispersed environment in which they live. They have nothing to do. They have no access to cars, there fore, their travel options are limited. Furthermore, suburban roads, designed to move cars at high speeds, are dangerous travel barriers to children, preventing them from safely accessing parks and recreational facilities because too many wide, high-speed roadways are in the way.

The lack of schools in urban areas is largely due to suburban flight of the 70s and 80s, and has the potential, given investment of families back in the urban core, of reversing. The West End neighborhood in Vancouver is a quintessential example of how urban, high-density neighborhoods can successfully support families.

Yes, it is hard in a residential high-rise to allow room for growth and play for children, but more sensitive, medium scale housing would allow for more room. There could also be an increased emphasis on urban park space for common recreation areas for kids, rather than being isolated in their own backyards.

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As for building road projects like Circle Dr. South, I think that has to be done. They can maybe shelve their plans for the north, but there needs to be an additional south bridge.
I disagree. Saskatoon already has far too much roadway capacity. Simply said: it is too easy to drive. The South bridge is unnecessary.

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I don't know about tolls, we are too small of a city to have a toll bridge. Plus it would slow traffic down too much.
I don't mean toll booths, per-say. I'm referring more to progressive auto-insurance regimes, such as per-kilometer rates for insurance, that kind of thing.
     
     
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So what could make Saskatoon a more "Green" city?

My answer is, and always will be, parkspace or park areas, trees, etc.. We already have a lot of it, but it is always good to see more...

I have to agree with everything madsad said, but I also recognize that we are not the majority here.

WRT the quote above, having lived in Edmonton where they pride themselves on the most greenspace per capita in North America, sometimes those parks are simply an excuse for more sprawl. Sure parks are pretty, but they mean the residential and comercial areas are more spread out and therefore eat up more of the surrounding countryside and farm land. The land that is saved for parks in the city comes at the expense of land around the city. Just a guess, but I suspect that plants and animals would rather live on the periphery of a city than smack in the middle of it - just a guess however. The green space within a city is pretty and some is necessary to make the city liveable, but rarely is it really "green".
     
     
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BioExx strikes European deal
German conglomerate will buy canola protein produced by local plant
Cassandra Kyle, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, November 26, 2008

Locally processed canola protein will head to Europe under a major deal between Bio-Extraction Inc. (BioExx) and Helm AG, a global chemical and nutritional conglomerate.

BioExx, which is building a canola processing plant in the North Corman Industrial Park, announced the deal Tuesday, saying no less than 70 per cent of the specialty protein products made at the facility will be sold to Helm. The plant is scheduled for completion in January and will produce 5,000 metric tonnes of product annually.

"We're all about generating these high-value protein concentrate products," Chris Carl, the company's CEO, said from BioExx's head office in Toronto. "We're not the first company in the world to be doing that, but we are unique in that we are starting from a raw seed and taking it all the way to the end of the protein.

"So to be able to partner with what is one of the world's largest distributors of all of these specialty protein products is what we believe is a huge achievement."


Source - Wednesday, November 26th Star Phoenix

The decade-long agreement has secured Helm as the sole European distributor of the proteins produced in Saskatoon. The deal is the beginning of a large, long-term relationship between the two companies, which have agreed to develop the partnership on a global basis.

As BioExx constructs additional plants, the company says, Helm will have a conditional first right of refusal for the negotiation of purchase terms for protein products from future facilities.

"The Saskatchewan production volume is relatively small; however, we view this as an opportunity to establish a relationship which can grow as BioExx grows and expands its capacity," said Thomas Arnold, executive director nutrition at Helm.

Carl says the international specialty protein market is demanding high-quality, non-GMO (genetically modified organism) products, the type BioExx produces.

"What we're finding, and this comes back to our Helm contract, is that the large, respected distributors of these protein products around the world are looking for supply from countries where they know there will be good quality control and that is one of the reasons that we've become a very favourable situation for a company like Helm," he said.

The agreement states although the Hamburg, Germany-based Helm may purchase all of the specialty proteins from Saskatoon, BioExx can retain up to 30 per cent of the volume for the purpose of new market development.

The facility will produce three main types of proteins, said Carl, each with a different protein grade. The plant will start producing protein concentrates in January, a product with between 60 and 70 per cent purified proteins to be used as feed in the aquaculture industry and as specialty feed for young livestock. In 2010, the facility will start making super concentrates, a product with up to 80 per cent purified protein for use as protein additives in the human food market. By 2011, BioExx hopes to start producing its top-of-the-line product, protein isolates, which have a 90 per cent or higher protein concentration and can be used in the human food market in roles such as a soy protein replacement.

Carl said each product sells at a different price, between $800 and $1,000 per metric tonne at the low end, up to $7,000 per metric tonne at the upper end of the scale. That means a variable annual profit depending on the products Helm orders.

"It's a very, very substantial contract, the problem is it has a very wide range -- as little as $5 million a year and it could be as high as $25 million a year," he said.

Local canola growers are happy about a new secondary processing option for their canola, said Kelvin Meadows, chair of the Saskatchewan Canola Development Commission board of directors. Most producers sent their crop to canola oil or, more recently, biodiesel manufacturers, he said.

"This announcement by BioExx means we have somebody who is entering a completely different market than the traditional area for canola meal and it certainly is another opportunity for farmers to continue to grow one of the most profitable crops in Saskatchewan," Meadows said.

The BioExx plant in Corman Park will achieve full production by mid-2009 and employ between 18 and 20 people.

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Maybe they could take that 100 mil and start replacing some of the old lead water lines?
I am finding this whole discussion of the lead pipes to be rather curious. It's not like this is any big secret. I live in an old house and I have been aware of the issue for many years. I have done a great deal of research and reading which reassures me that it is not big deal. I am not dismissing the dangers of lead, particularly for kids, but there is no evidence that I have seen, that lead pipes actually lead to high blood lead levels even in children. In fact research in Washington D.C. found the opposite, despite a great deal of media hysteria around the topic. Children from homes with relatively high levels of lead in the water supply (from old pipes) had no elevations in blood levels relative to kids from houses with no elevations of lead in their water. While it is not good to exceed the government reccomended levels in our water, we have to keep in mind that those levels are very low and even tripling them is not likely getting into dangerous territory. It is particularly strange that the person raising the alarm is a University prof, who should know better.

I do think this issue points to the general neglect of older areas at the expense of buidling new suburbs however, which I think is the point you were making.
     
     
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I have to agree with everything madsad said, but I also recognize that we are not the majority here.

WRT the quote above, having lived in Edmonton where they pride themselves on the most greenspace per capita in North America, sometimes those parks are simply an excuse for more sprawl. Sure parks are pretty, but they mean the residential and comercial areas are more spread out and therefore eat up more of the surrounding countryside and farm land. The land that is saved for parks in the city comes at the expense of land around the city. Just a guess, but I suspect that plants and animals would rather live on the periphery of a city than smack in the middle of it - just a guess however. The green space within a city is pretty and some is necessary to make the city liveable, but rarely is it really "green".
I also agree with most of the ideas expressed by madsad, with the exception of the south river crossing. And with regard to the future north bridge, it is part of a perimeter highway which will serve truck traffic and other travellers passing through, or so I've read. I'd like to see more transit funding before a north bridge, but that won't likely occur unless we focus on increasing density in our downtown and inner city, along with improved transit integration in new neighborhoods, and a departure from our single land use planning philosophy which has so dominated our suburban neighbourhoods for the past 50 years.
     
     
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Incidentally, is this the paper for GEOG 240? I'd like to take it next fall, what did you think of the course?
Funny that you mention that, I'm taking Geog 240 right now and preparing a paper outlining alternative urban development models in Canada.

Its a great introductory course to urban development, and coincidentally, my professor was the one featured recently in the SP's lead contaminated water article...I recall him humorously suggesting that his home tap water was responsible for his forgetfulness...or something along those lines.

Sounds like the City may need to hike the water levies a few more dollars per month per user.

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Station 20 hits fundraising milestone
MVA goes green
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Friday, November 28, 2008

A $500,000 donation from an anonymous financial institution has pushed Station 20 West past the $1-million mark.

The two-storey building planned for 20th Street between avenues L and K needs to raise $3 million in total by February. Station 20 also has loan guarantees in place and can take out a mortgage, so construction will start in May even if it doesn't raise all its money ahead of time, project manager Faith Bodnar said.

It's expected to open in late fall.

That's a lot of momentum for a project thought to have been dealt a knockout blow when the Sask. Party government pulled an $8-million commitment in March.

"It's just really phenomenal," Bodnar said. "It's a very encouraging story and rings true with people in the city."

The first floor will house a grocery store, a cafe and a community kitchen available for cooking classes. The second floor will be office space to house CHEP Good Food Inc., Quint Development Corp., the Elizabeth Fry Society, a University of Saskatchewan community outreach and research centre, agricultural non-profit group Heifer International and, if there's room, some health services from the Saskatoon Health Region.

Station 20 has just released an artist's rendering of its scaled-down design by architect Charles Olfert. The building and grounds will seek LEED gold status.

"The building still embodies the spirit of Station 20 West," Bodnar said.

"This is so much more than a building. It's a movement for social justice."

MVA down to earth

You would expect the home of an organization dedicated to conservation to publicly display its environmental principles.

The proposed Meewasin Valley Authority centre appears to be on track to do just that.

The conceptual design, approved Tuesday by the MVA board, includes one, and maybe two, green roofs, said CEO Susan Lamb.

Decisions on building materials haven't been made, but the MVA is considering using recycled materials, perhaps from an old barn or elevator, she said. Tyndall stone is another possibility.


Source - Friday, November 28th Star Phoenix

And how's this for getting back to the land?

Meewasin is considering building a long interior wall out of rammed earth, recycled wood or the elms that will be cut down at the Lake Placid site across the street. Rammed Earth walls, an age-old building method, are just what they sound like -- dirt rammed together with cement to make a wall.

The roof on the two-storey portion of the building will function as an observation deck to Friendship Park and the river.

The new 2,580-square-metre building is designed by Moriyama Teshima and local architects March Schaffel.

Cost is estimated at $12.7 million. The interpretive centre would have galleries focused on Saskatoon's past, present and future, water issues, sustainability and climate change, plus business offices for Meewasin and like-minded groups Partners for Sask. River Basin and Roadmap 2020.

Meewasin is aiming for LEED gold status and is seeking federal funding.

Here come bendy buses

You know them as accordion buses. Or bendy-buses, banana buses or slinky buses.

Whatever you call them -- they're officially known as articulated buses -- four of them will be roaming Saskatoon streets next year. The buses are included in the draft 2009 capital budget and will serve the neighbourhoods around the university that use Transit heavily.

Acting transit manager Mitch Riabko said the buses have a big upside, such as fitting in more riders on high-use routes and the environmental benefits of running fewer buses.

An articulated bus is roughly the length of a conventional bus plus half, or about 60 feet long altogether. They can seat 60-66 people, compared with 37 on a conventional bus.

"We're all really excited to move that way," he said.

The bendy-buses cost $600,000, compared to $400,000 for a conventional bus.

Riabko said he's been assured that the longer buses can make all the corners that a conventional bus would make.

The actual bus fleet will remain at 132 buses.

The four new articulated buses and four new conventional buses will replace older models.

Historic shed survives

The 100-year-old shed in Victoria Park, which once was owned by the city gardener, may escape demolition after all.

City administration now recommends the shed be carefully dismantled, not demolished.

If city council adopts the recommendation Monday, the concrete blocks will be preserved, but other materials, like the roof, can't be reused, said Dylan Czarnecki, open space consultant for the city.

Public consultation will determine whether the shed is rebuilt or remembered in another way when the city redesigns the city gardener's site next year.

Richards' last budget

Drafting a capital budget takes most of a year. There's never enough money. There are always projects left on the shelf. And then, when administration has pulled off the best balancing act it can, there's the wise guys in the media, on city council and in the general public to poke holes in it.

The 20th and final capital budget presided over by retiring city manager Phil Richards was released Wednesday. As dry as these things can be -- and they can be Gobi Desert dry -- there was a note of nostalgia in Richards' voice afterwards.

Asked if he would miss the budgeting process and would be tempted to draft his own alternative budget next year, just for kicks, Richards looked thoughtful. "Maybe I'll call a press conference and be the only one there." At least there would be no smart-alecky questions.

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Province to order more water testing
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Friday, November 28, 2008

The provincial government is preparing to introduce a tough new set of lead testing standards that will require the cities of

Saskatoon and Regina to dramatically expand drinking water testing.

The permits Saskatchewan Environment issues to the two big cities currently require lead testing only once every six months at a single site. That test can even take place at the water treatment plant itself, which wouldn't gauge whether water is picking up lead as it moves through the distribution system.

But the new standards the ministry hopes to introduce, which are being finalized coincidentally as two home-owners raise lead concerns, will require Saskatoon and Regina to test at 100 different sites next year, said Sam Ferris, director of drinking water quality for Sask. Environment. Depending on what they find, the requirements for testing in subsequent years increases or decreases, Ferris said.

Officials from the ministries of Environment and Health will meet next week to discuss the standards, which are based on work by a federal-provincial committee charged with ensuring safe drinking water. It's up to each province to decide when or if they apply the new standards.

Nova Scotia, Ontario and Quebec have already introduced requirements for additional testing in some cities, Ferris said.

"We're going to be working with Health to implement that across the province basically to push municipalities to get on the ball here and start testing more for lead in the distribution system, in homes, in schools and in the office building where it matters the most," Ferris said.

The new standards would take effect sometime next year.

Two homeowners, one in Caswell Hill and another in Nutana, asked the city's water chemist this fall to test their drinking water and found lead levels exceeding Health Canada guidelines. The chemist told the Nutana homeowner she should run her water for half an hour to bring down lead levels.

"Frankly, I'm a little surprised about the findings in Saskatoon recently," Ferris said. "We've never really seen a lot of elevated lead levels in the distribution system before. It's a bit of a wake-up call. But we're going to move and get that situation resolved."

The last time the city tested for lead was July 16, Ferris said. The test found two parts per billion, well below the Health Canada threshold of 10 parts per billion. That threshold for safe drinking water isn't changing.

Lead can enter drinking water from lead pipes that connect water mains to homes in older neighbourhoods, from brass fixtures or plumbing in homes soldered with lead.

Ryan Walker, one of the homeowners who went public with concerns, said expanding testing isn't enough.

"Testing 100 sites is a good idea as long as there's a response," he said. "I suspect there's enough evidence out there already that lead lines are unhealthy."

Walker said the province should help cities foot the bill for replacing lead pipes.

Murray Totland, Saskatoon's general manager of infrastructure services, said the city is committed to doing more testing for lead in drinking water in the next while.

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Thanks, saskftw. With you on this forum, I hardly have to pay attention to the news media I'm thinking you are going to ace that course. WRT the bendy busses, didn't Ottawa have some big problems with them due to poor traction in snow? I think I recall reading something about it. Maybe they have improved them in some way. Anyway, it is great to see transit actually moving forward with improvements.

Just to note that in my comment above re: what madsad wrote, I meant "here' to mean Saskatoon, not the SP forum.
     
     
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There's only one face that describes the Meewasin rendering... The front looks like a tragic 80's 2 storey office building or perhaps a jail. To me it would make sense to make the front a nice curve of glass with some stell accents and maybe horizontal wood slatting somewhere.
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There's only one face that describes the Meewasin rendering... The front looks like a tragic 80's 2 storey office building or perhaps a jail. To me it would make sense to make the front a nice curve of glass with some stell accents and maybe horizontal wood slatting somewhere.
Yeah, I reluctantly share your view...I thought they wanted to open up to the river?

The materials (e.g. rammed earth wall, wood from barn/elevator, Tyndall stone) and design approach (recycled materials, LEED Gold) is really exciting, but this early rendering does little to promote those features. Best case scenario, this rendering is just to show the layout and general relationship with the street, river, Friendship Park. The specific design elements will emerge in a soon-to-be released future rendering, at least, that is my hope.

I think 'we' the public need education on the design process related to specific buildings. I admit, I've had little exposure to design processes except what I've picked up through different discussions here on SSP.

I do like the green roofs and terrace, perhaps the terrace could have a cafe and/or a green roof incorporated on it (since Lake Placid opted not to incorporate a green roof terrace for the public). I don't recall ever visiting the current MVA centre (maybe during elementary school), so I can't give feedback regarding the displays, but they sound very valuable in terms of educating the public (e.g. school field trips FTW) and other tourists, on the history and future of the river and our city.

And after looking at this rendering, one burning question arises, "Where's the parking?" Probably underground, but the entrance/exit looks to be off busier 19th St, as opposed to the current Spadina entrance/exit for surface level parking.
     
     
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Thanks, saskftw. With you on this forum, I hardly have to pay attention to the news media I'm thinking you are going to ace that course. WRT the bendy busses, didn't Ottawa have some big problems with them due to poor traction in snow? I think I recall reading something about it. Maybe they have improved them in some way. Anyway, it is great to see transit actually moving forward with improvements.

Just to note that in my comment above re: what madsad wrote, I meant "here' to mean Saskatoon, not the SP forum.
I recall that too, and something about the rear of the bus being drafty or colder due to the separation. Ah well, as you say, maybe they're improved designs, and at least transit is upgrading our fleet
     
     
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