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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 3:43 PM
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not sure how you cant admit it, that is the whole point of the debate...if there was no zoning agreement, the developer would just build it....

the agreement was implemented because the planners of 1974 understood that the site would be overdeveloped if allowed the full zoning capacity....not a single house or street has been constructed in the neighbourhood since, nothing has happened on that site or in the community that makes development there any more appropriate today than it did then....the city needing more rentals is not an excusse to build them in inappropriate locations.

a nimby is someone opposed to something without legitimate reason...i have many.

i am certain that 99% of people in NK would be opposed if these towers were proposed 30 metres from their yard.....whether the city needs rentals or not.


No house has been constructed in the neighbourhood since? I know of one on Claus Bay that was built in the 90's. Wasn't the building of the Chief Peguis Trail in 1990 with the removal of houses along it's buffer a change that has occurred since 1974.


People that currently live on Tamarind Drive back onto the current Edgewood Estates property. The people living in the immediate area do have the option of selling their homes and moving.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 3:51 PM
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ok...one or two houses have been built or re-built, but not enough development has happened to change the conditions of the zoning agreement....in fact access to the neighbourhood is reduced since then because when chief peguis was built a second access from northbound henderson was removed...now only whellams lane serves the neighbourhood.

the point is that very little has changed since the planners implemented that zoning restriction, so what is the justification that it be disregarded today?

it is not appropriate to allow incongruent developemnt on tha basis that people can simply uproot their lives and find somewhere else to live if they dont like it....try selling a house with a 200' tower being built 30 metres away.
     
     
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Personally I don't think the addition of the proposed towers (especially if they are geared to seniors) will negatively impact the surrounding neighbourhood.


I don't recall a northbound access to Whellams Lane from Henderson Highway, where was it located?


What I do recall though was that the city was going to enhance the vacant land along the river to the north of the Chief Peguis Trail. I don't think this ever occurred.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 4:13 PM
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Looks like our resident highrise killer is about to weigh in..

Highrise hijinks at city hall
By: Gordon Sinclair Jr. | Winnipeg Free Press


There’s a neighbourhood in North Kildonan with a problem that should concern every neighbourhood.

The problem is the size of two highrise apartment towers.

Actually, the problem is two highrise apartments towers.

Or at least their proposed construction adjacent to two other apartment buildings, which, I’m happy to report, have never been a problem.

A Vancouver developer wants to build the $50-million complex on land his company owns just south of the Chief Peguis Bridge. On land, I might add, that the city placed off limits to development more than 30 years ago.

The trusting people who inhabit the handful of houses in the area blissfully believed the city’s long-standing zoning pledge.

That promise being that they — and the nearby apartment-dwellers that the handful of homeowners have lived with in happy harmony — would always have their green space by the Red River.

Their own safe corner of the world, as it were.

But that world was destined to change when some of those same residents voted Sam Katz into office.
Twice.

They probably never thought the mayor’s pro-development bulldozer of a philosophy would invade their neighbourhood.

Gladys Bellamy was one of those blissfully believing — and blissfully ignorant — homeowners.

Not so much anymore, though.

“I can tell you I’ve lost faith in the democratic process,” she told city hall reporter Bartley Kives on Tuesday.

Gladys had just witnessed the bulldozer in action.

A week earlier, she and couple of hundred other neighbourhood residents thought they had stopped the beast in its big, ugly tracks.

They had turned out for an area community committee meeting where three city councillors sat listening to both sides of the issue. The meeting lasted from early evening until after midnight.

When it was over, the three councillors unanimously voted down the proposed project.

In fact, most of the residents were so convinced that they had won that they didn’t bother to show up on Tuesday when city council’s property and development committee met to vote on the same proposal.

There was one resident who wasn’t so sure, though. Graham Eagleton called Gladys Bellamy and asked if she would go down to city hall with him. He was afraid the slam-dunk of a decision was about to get slammed and dunked overboard.

Gladys agreed to go along to keep Graham company. But Gladys, the blissful believer, couldn’t believe that the highrise development would rise again.

How was she to know that Russ Wyatt, one of the councillors she recalled speaking so eloquently at the community committee meeting, had served notice that he wouldn’t be attending the second committee meeting because he was the city’s representative at the Association of Manitoba Municipalities convention.

As it turned out, Wyatt’s absence would be pivotal.

The remaining councillors — Scott Fielding, Mike O’Shaughnessy and North Kildonan Coun. Jeff Browaty — had another important issue on the agenda Tuesday night: the future of an historic Exchange District home that they voted to give a three-month stay of demolition.

By the time the committee members got around to the North Kildonan neighbourhood issue, Gladys was starting to nod off. It was the sound of that pro-development big machinery starting up again that woke her.

Gladys was shocked at how quickly and dismissively two of the three councillors rejected the community committee’s decision and voted to proceed with the highrise project. She recalled O’Shaughnessy calling the residents’ position “emotional.”

“He admitted from the start that he didn’t know much about the proposal,” Gladys wrote the next day. “Instead of reading the background of the development, understanding the existing zoning agreement, or even seeing a plan of the design, a few cursory questions were asked.”

The motion to build the highrise complex passed 2-1.

Afterward, Wyatt told me he would have been there if he thought the project would be given new life.

But with the pro-development likes of Fielding and O’Shaughnessy voting, Wyatt should have known better.

Of course, now Gladys knows better, too.

Ultimately, the proposal will be voted on by the full city council, which is controlled by the mayor.

But given that Phil Sheegl, the mayor’s hand-picked driver of development, has praised the project, it’s as good as built.

Anyway, in the aftermath of watching two city councillors taking a few minutes to make a decision that will change the nature of her neighbourhood forever, Gladys had a few questions.

“What is the point of holding a large community forum to debate major issues like constructing highrise towers in someone’s backyard if the findings of that committee are not taken into consideration?

“What kind of democratic process do we have in this city?”

That’s easy.

It’s a bulldozer democracy.

And you better get out of the way, because your neighbourhood could be next.

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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 4:17 PM
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It’s a bulldozer democracy.

And you better get out of the way, because your neighbourhood could be next.
Awesome! I can't wait.

I for one live in the shadow of that cluster of commie blocks along Henderson and I can safely say that life isn't all that bad.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 4:25 PM
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^ This from a guy who never lets facts get in the way of a good story, he probably still has egg on his face about the poor down on their luck mother and daughter who elicited donations later spent at high end retailers and night clubs.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 4:27 PM
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^ This from a guy who never lets facts get in the way of a good story, he probably still has egg on his face about the poor down on their luck mother and daughter who elicited donations later spent at high end retailers and night clubs.
Hmm, me thinks I should plead my case to Gordon Sinclair.

I'm so poor even my grandfather came off the boat from Poland with more money in his pocket.

Besides, I'm really getting tired of drinking Molson Dry.

I'm not sure how much more punishment my innards can really take.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 7:48 PM
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in your regular exchange district retail update:

unfold boutique is now open where cake used to be....nice clothes.

the haberdashery is now open...looks awesome inside....great hats.

it appears a flower shop has moved into where the community church was, which has moved across the street...

there is a new boutique opening soon called 'shop sixty one and a half', next to the fleet gallery on albert.

here is their description.

http://shoponalbert.com/index.html

Shop Sixty-One and a Half Inc. is located in the heart of the Exchange District, the funkiest and trendiest part of Winnipeg. Growing from a 341 sq. ft. boutique of more than a decade, this new location boasts 1700 sq. ft. of carefully curated "Quintessential Finds".

From trendy to classic, accessory collections include handbags, shoes, jewellery and other enjoyable finds. Men's accessories are also available, in addition to our baby line.

Shop Sixty-One and a Half Inc. seeks one of a kind items, hard to find items -unique items. Minimum quantities of products are brought in only once, and rarely seen in the store again. Constantly changing, shipments of different items arrive weekly.

Items in the boutique come from all over the globe, there are no limits to how far we will go to find to bring the best to you.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 8:48 PM
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Hargrave Hard Lofts

These will be sweet when finished. 5 units at 2,200 sq.ft. each. $400K.





     
     
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2008, 9:17 PM
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^ are they going to get finished? They have been under construction now for a pretty looong time...

Cool pics though. Have you been working on this project?
     
     
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Nope, just spotted it on MLS a few days ago.
     
     
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It’s a bulldozer democracy.

And you better get out of the way, because your neighbourhood could be next.

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Good. I read that article today in school. It's sad to read that the city councillors didn't vote how the people thought they would, but I'm sure glad that changed their minds for the better. It would of been better if the initial vote of the councillors would of told the people how the next vote would of been, but what ever.
Sometimes democracy hinders progress, this is such a case.
     
     
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The trusting people who inhabit the handful of houses in the area blissfully believed the city’s long-standing zoning pledge.

That promise being that they — and the nearby apartment-dwellers that the handful of homeowners have lived with in happy harmony — would always have their green space by the Red River.

Their own safe corner of the world, as it were.

But that world was destined to change when some of those same residents voted Sam Katz into office.

Twice.
REET! REET! REET!

And which pompous blowhard was it that used his columns to encourage Mr. Katz to run for office in the first place?
     
     
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Good. I read that article today in school. It's sad to read that the city councillors didn't vote how the people thought they would, but I'm sure glad that changed their minds for the better. It would of been better if the initial vote of the councillors would of told the people how the next vote would of been, but what ever.
Sometimes democracy hinders progress, this is such a case.
I'm not getting how a couple of apartment towers represent "progress". Sounds like "regress" to me -- regress to the late 60s when these things were thrown up everywhere, turning neighbourhoods into wastelands and blighting the landscape. You can't run a city with such total contempt for the people who live in it and pay taxes. There is no need to have these buildings in such a ridiculous and inappropriate location.
     
     
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I'm not getting how a couple of apartment towers represent "progress". Sounds like "regress" to me -- regress to the late 60s when these things were thrown up everywhere, turning neighbourhoods into wastelands and blighting the landscape. You can't run a city with such total contempt for the people who live in it and pay taxes. There is no need to have these buildings in such a ridiculous and inappropriate location.
You mean like building appartment buildings way out in the boonies of North York, Ontario?
     
     
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You can't run a city with such total contempt for the people who live in it and pay taxes. There is no need to have these buildings in such a ridiculous and inappropriate location.
Just south of the foot bridge to Assiniboine Park there is plenty of prime, empty and underused property on the banks of the Assiniboine, right along Portage Avenue.

Why there hasn't been condos or apartment blocks built there is a complete mystery to me...
     
     
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since i live right across the street from the ledge, i noticed it pretty qucikly... there's white, blinking lights shooting out from the little slit windows in the dome of the legislature..

here's a view from my window..
     
     
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And the Swedish meatballs; don't forget about the Swedish meatballs
Ahhh.......those meatballs.

I have 3 kids and we had lunch at the IKEA in Minneapolis a few years back.

Alex puked up all those meatballs and I had to wipe them off the floor.

Lucky for me the floor was concrete.

Yes................those meatballs.........................coming to Winnipeg soon
     
     
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Ahhh.......those meatballs.

I have 3 kids and we had lunch at the IKEA in Minneapolis a few years back.

Alex puked up all those meatballs and I had to wipe them off the floor.

Lucky for me the floor was concrete.

Yes................those meatballs.........................coming to Winnipeg soon
Must have been your kid.

I've had their meatballs, and even bought them to take home, several times and were damn good.
     
     
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You mean like building appartment buildings way out in the boonies of North York, Ontario?
Um...I suppose. It's fine to have some apartment buildings, but the city has no business forcing fundamental changes on neighbourhoods unless there is an exceptionally strong reason for doing so. In this case I don't see it.
     
     
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