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Old Posted Nov 14, 2008, 2:53 AM
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the small airports aren't getting ht first, most of the major US airports have been in decline for some time, as i posted earlier in this thread
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 6:00 AM
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we're not fully "international" yet

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things always slow down in the winter

look at all the airlines that don't fly to vancouver in winter - in the summer the airport is full of charter flights to europe
There are a lot of airlines that don't fly to Vancouver in winter, mainly because the market simply isn't big enough (compare this to Seattle, which is overtaking us in this domain). In summer, Air Transat and others fly to Paris, Munich, Dusseldorf, and are about to start flights to Madrid and elsewhere.
However, only when the Canadian government loosens up and stops spoon-feeding Toronto - and when Vancouver gets as big as Seattle - will you see year round service on airlines like Air France, and possibly Iberia, or Air Portugal, to cities like Paris, Zurich, Madrid, etc. Face it folks, we're a regional city with international pretensions, and will be for a number of years.
There is talk of Emirates coming to Vancouver. Ha! That won't be until after 2025, and there is a willingness on the part of the governement to let the city - along with its airport grow.
Until then, remember what Vancouver REALLY is: the capital of the banana republic of British Columbia. Sorry, but those are realities.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 6:30 AM
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^ What are you talking about?? The first sentence made sense but the rest does not.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2008, 11:52 PM
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Question OK, I'll try and clarify it for you

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^ What are you talking about?? The first sentence made sense but the rest does not.
All I really meant was that, first and foremost, Vancouver is not a big enough city to warrant or support YEAR-ROUND service to many European cities. (Right now, all we have is London, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt)
Secondly, the Canadian government caters to its large voting base in Eastern Canada by making as many people transfer through Toronto (YYZ) or Montreal (YUL) as possible, giving those airports more profile and more importance.
Thirdly, Vancouver, despite its ties to Asia, is nevertheless a REGIONAL city with international pretensions, and it will not be before it gets bigger (upwards of 3 million) that you will start to see a wider variety of airlines, and more worldwide, and particularly European, destinations on a YEAR-ROUND basis. The YVR Airport Terminal is great, we all agree, but the destinations are limited. The number of different airlines flying to it is limited. And it will be this way for another 20 years at least.
     
     
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by the time Vancouver reaches 3 million people air travel will be virtually non-existent. at least in the form which we know it.


EDIT: in reference to your last statement in post 1142, Vancouver is not the capital of BC, its not the capital of anything. infact is isnt Metro Vancouver based in Burnaby
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by the time Vancouver reaches 3 million people air travel will be virtually non-existent. at least in the form which we know it.


EDIT: in reference to your last statement in post 1142, Vancouver is not the capital of BC, its not the capital of anything. infact is isnt Metro Vancouver based in Burnaby
Further to post 1142 - British Columbia is not a republic - it a constitutional monarchy - get your fact's right.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 9:28 PM
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There are a lot of airlines that don't fly to Vancouver in winter, mainly because the market simply isn't big enough (compare this to Seattle, which is overtaking us in this domain). In summer, Air Transat and others fly to Paris, Munich, Dusseldorf, and are about to start flights to Madrid and elsewhere.
However, only when the Canadian government loosens up and stops spoon-feeding Toronto - and when Vancouver gets as big as Seattle - will you see year round service on airlines like Air France, and possibly Iberia, or Air Portugal, to cities like Paris, Zurich, Madrid, etc. Face it folks, we're a regional city with international pretensions, and will be for a number of years.
There is talk of Emirates coming to Vancouver. Ha! That won't be until after 2025, and there is a willingness on the part of the governement to let the city - along with its airport grow.
Until then, remember what Vancouver REALLY is: the capital of the banana republic of British Columbia. Sorry, but those are realities.

yes that is true - we are small fish in a big sea

i just met someone from dubai and he had never heard of Vancouver ever in his life until he found out he would be coming here for school - he had to look it up to see where it even was - he was told it was in Canada

for the record he never heard of Toronto either
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Well he sounds like quite the moron then. Just curious what school is he going to? South Fraser Institute for the Retarded?
     
     
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Sickness prompts plane lock-in at YVR


Health authorities say they had to err on the side of caution after 145 Air Canada passengers, some suffering from an unknown sickness, were trapped in their plane for two hours.

Around 10:45 p.m. Monday night, Air Canada Flight 129 - from Montreal to Vancouver - landed at Vancouver International Airport with reports that 25 passengers had become nauseous and sick.

Emergency crews surrounded the plane but stayed on stand-by as the feeral Public Health Agency and Vancouver Coastal Health decided what to do about the passengers and whether they needed to be quarantined.

"It took a couple hours to work through the process [Monday] night. It didn't go as smoothly as it should," said Vancouver Coastal Health vice-president of communications Clay Adams. "But nobody appeared to have any serious symptoms and no one was taken to hospital."

Adams said authorities were taking a cautious approach to avoid a SARS-like outbreak.

"Everyone wanted to help," he said.

However, poor communication seemed to be the main reason why it took so long to treat the ill passengers.

A public health agency quarantine officer was called to the scene only for the agency pass off responsibility to Vancouver Coastal Health since the flight was domestic.

Meanwhile, paramedics weren't allowed to attend to the passengers until the health authority decided what to do.

Only Richmond firefighters, who were the first on the scene, managed to check on the passengers early on in the ordeal.

VCH eventually gave the OK for passengers get off the plane two hours after it landed.

http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/News/2008/11/19/7457096-sun.html
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2008, 7:44 AM
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Oh God. My worst nightmare... trapped on an Air Canada plane Poor people.

     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2008, 8:16 AM
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Well he sounds like quite the moron then. Just curious what school is he going to? South Fraser Institute for the Retarded?
why?

Vancouver barely blips on the radar overseas

I know when I travelled through South Africa most people had no clue where it was

We are not that widely recognized in the general population
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why?

Vancouver barely blips on the radar overseas

I know when I travelled through South Africa most people had no clue where it was

We are not that widely recognized in the general population
Actually, I'd argue that Vancouver punches above its weight for a city of its size. Certainly most people I've met in Asia and Europe know Vancouver. I mean, can any of you tell me where Changsha (a city of 7 million people) is?

Anyway, my point is that most people have a very local frame of reference. For instance, when I was based in London (UK), I came back to visit my folks in Vancouver. A family friend asked where I was living, and when I told her, the immediate response was like, "Oh, London, Ontario. How nice!"
     
     
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i think most in europe and asia would know

again its just kind of locals think vancouver is much bigger and widely known than it is and really its not that big and important as locals want to believe it might be

and meeting people from elsewhere and travelling reminds you of it

not that its a bad thing
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2008, 5:08 PM
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Wink I think you've got it

Due to its relative isolation, Vancouver has developed a rather insular mentality. Paradoxically, it is a city with one of the highest foreign-born populations in North America. Nonetheless, it does not have a real, dynamic economy, the way Seattle does (viz: Boeing, Microsoft, Starbucks, and more), but has made its reputation more recently in the film and TV industries, as well as being a major seaport, which it undeniably is. However,
as you say, the city packs more international punch, and sprinkles more cosmopolitan stardust in its imagination than in reality, and as a young city, has no really major input on the world scene, except several high-level conferences and political meetings held there (like the Clinto-Yeltsin summit), not to mention that unforgettable Grade "B" world's fair, EXPO 86. In several decades, as the city grows into something more mature, rather than a mini-Hollywoood, or a real-estate flipper's paradise, it WILL begin to gather cultural and econmic clout, the airport expansio will have indeed paid off, and one day, there might even be a yearly nonstop to Paris. Until then, let's watch the hockey game and have a beer, eh?
     
     
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why?

Vancouver barely blips on the radar overseas

I know when I travelled through South Africa most people had no clue where it was

We are not that widely recognized in the general population

I can certainly name you several cities in South Africa of much smaller size and international stature.

Just becuase most people have no clue where it is does not make it ok... it makes most people stupid.
     
     
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I wouldn't call them stupid, because that's attacking their intelligence...I would say uninformed?? Unknowledgeable? I've met a few folks even in the U.S. who had no clue Vancouver existed. People just don't pay attention if there is no reason to....
     
     
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Well you seem to a more forgiving person than I.

I would say they are stupid. Its one thing to not be able to identify a given city on a map, but to haev never heard of it or not be able to say which country it is in... well that makes them stupid.
     
     
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Well you seem to a more forgiving person than I.

I would say they are stupid. Its one thing to not be able to identify a given city on a map, but to haev never heard of it or not be able to say which country it is in... well that makes them stupid.
What Country is Sucre in
     
     
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I can't blame them about cities, there are just so many of them....though when it comes to nations, I can blame Americans who actually think it snows 24/7/365 up here and that we all live in igloos. There are actually many Americans that think that's how it is - i had a friend who went to high school in some hick town in Colorado. He showed them a picture of Vancouver's skyline and they actually thought it was Hong Kong or New York.
     
     
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What Country is Sucre in
easy, it and la pas are the two capitals of Bolivia.

I got that one right on Trivial persuit once... really wowed the GFs parents.
     
     
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