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^ Hang on to this picture because this is the best that this building will look.
I know. It looked ok from the renderings I saw, but the true product is looking meh.
     
     
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...I was wondering why there are orange tarps all over this (serenity) building ?
Heating / Hoarding (winter!)
     
     
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On anoter note, Quest is officially above grade
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 4:35 PM
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Fuzion on Whyte

I'm not sure is this is news/truth/or rumor but apparently Edmonton P&D has canceled the permit for the Fuzion on Whyte - perhaps due to inactivity?

the developer is appealing the decision.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 4:39 PM
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^ That was a crummy lowrise anyways.

It was still advertized for sale in this months' condo guide tho
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 4:46 PM
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More private capital being
used than borrowed
If you thought playing the stock market was tough, consider the plight of the condominium developer.

ED KAISER, THE JOURNALDevelopers say projects like this one at Century Park, south on 111th Street, are going ahead.

In Edmonton compared to a year ago, condo resales are down, average resale prices are down, multiple-unit starts have plunged and a wave of condos under construction is poised to hit the market.

The last few weeks have seen condo projects in Calgary, Kelowna and Canmore grind to a halt.

But developers behind some of Edmonton’s most high-profile projects insist it’s business as usual.

“We’re building those first two phases,” said George Schluessel, CEO of Procura Real Estate Services.

In 2006, Edmonton’s hot real estate market lured buyers to line up overnight for a chance to pay up to $791,000 for a luxury condo at the company’s planned Century Park in-fill development at the old Heritage Mall site near 111th Street and 23rd Avenue, where the city plans to build a light rail transit station.

Two years later, Schluessel said not one of the buyers has walked away from their deposits.

“It’s partly because they’re under construction and the LRT is underway. I think the people that did buy here bought for quality of project and location.

“When markets get tighter, the bestlocated projects manage to hang on to their purchasers and the projects that are a little more questionable in a strong market are the first ones to suffer in a downturn.” The first project will open next spring. “I think the fundamentals in Alberta haven’t changed. I think we’re better off than the rest of the world so we haven’t noticed even in our Calgary projects any cancellation of deals.”

The company arranged financing long ago so a credit crunch hasn’t affected Procura’s projects, he said.
David Kent, one of the owners of the 1,750-unit Strathearn Heights development at 95th Avenue and 87th Street, said recently it’s going ahead, after getting city council approval in late February.

That’s not to say things are easy for developers. Greg Christenson, president of Christenson Developments, said it’s tougher to get financial backing these days.

“Fewer lenders are participating in financing new projects,” he said. “Increasingly, it’s more private capital, where you might have been dealing with six- or seven-per-cent interest rates six months ago, now you’re dealing with 83⁄ or nine per cent.” Add fees, and developers may face loan costs of up to 12 per cent, Christenson said.

He believes lenders will return to the market soon. “But when you’re in the middle of a development cycle of 24 months or 36 months, you need to be able to count on the ability to mortgage or refinance, so it creates a period of instability for developers and builders.”

Christenson said his company is more cautious about taking on new projects.

James Rea of the Chipman Development Corp. said his company is proceeding with its $500-million Chipman affordable housing project that will service the Alberta heartland — a petrochemical industrial area 45 minutes northeast of Edmonton — over the next 15 to 20 years.

“We’re not going to let up at all,” he said “We’ll continue to move forward with our plans.”

Rea said the downturn in the economy will likely curb demand, but it will force people to look for more cost-effective housing alternatives.

He said there’s also “pent-up demand” for more seniors housing in the area.

Rea said the project is tied to the longterm viability of the oilsands and linked to the proposed construction of several upgraders in the area. Despite the expected scaling back of oilsands developments, the future is bright, he said.

“We believe this is a temporary downspike in the economy. We will recover. The world’s thirst for hydrocarbons isn’t changing. We’re in there for the long haul. If everything goes according to plans, we would like to start turning dirt in the spring.”

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Builder
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not stalling Oneofthe best-knownhomebuilders in Alberta constructs too many homes that suddenly no one wants and seeks court protection from creditors. Acautionary tale of the Alberta economy?

Only if it’s true — and Jay Westman insists rumours swirling around of Jayman MasterBuilt’s demise are false.

“We have no idea why they keep emanating, other than we’ve been one of the largest builders in the province for the last 20 years so I guess we’re a little bit of a benchmark of the industry,” WestmansaidfromhisCalgaryheadoffice.Westmanispresidentofthefamilyoperated residential construction firm.
“Completed, unsold homes — spec homes — in Edmonton, we maybe have 14. Every showhome we have is clear title and we pay weekly all of our bills, so where does this stuff come from?” he says of talk in Edmonton. “We’ve never been late on a cheque.” That’s not to say Jayman doesn’t face problems. In August, Jayman laid off 20workers in Edmontonand30inCalgary because of low sales.

The company has brought 1,150 homes a year to the Alberta market for the past six years. Jayman MasterBuilt ranked among the top-volume producers in Calgary and Edmonton. The Financial Post ranked Jayman No. 442 among Canada’s top 500 companies in 2008 with revenue of $523 million the previous year. Demand soared for new homes in 2005, 2006 and 2007, when the prices of used homes shot up to the same prices of new ones, Westman said.

Thecompanywasweatheringahousing correction that started in 2008 when the global economic downturn also hit. “Werecognized that earlier on this year andsaid wehadbasically oversupplied the market in terms of houses andlots, andweweregetting ourselves in position for a dip in ’09as weworked through excess inventory.

“Now, there has been another second wavehitting us. Beyond the normal cycle that happens to Alberta in isolation has been what’s been happening globally with financial markets.”
     
     
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Fuzion on Whyte

I'm not sure is this is news/truth/or rumor but apparently Edmonton P&D has canceled the permit for the Fuzion on Whyte - perhaps due to inactivity?

the developer is appealing the decision.
GOOD NEWS, that corner deserves a significantly better building than the — that fuzion was.
     
     
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Arlington has date with wrecking ball
Gordon Kent, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:04 am
The owner of the historic Arlington Apartments says he received a permit to demolish the fire-damaged building Monday and wants to begin the job as soon as possible.
Saraswati Singh said he has agreed to let the city remove a brick archway over the entrance but that work hasn't begun.
"We have a demolition permit ... if we were left on our own, we would like to demolish it tomorrow."

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He estimated the work could take one or two weeks.
Singh purchased the site at 100th Avenue and 106th Street in 1987. He said he has been asking to tear down the 99-year-old building since it was gutted in a 2005 arson fire, because preserving parts in a new development would cost too much.
The structure had provincial and city historic designations and the two levels of government provided more than $500,000 in grants for restoration.
In September, the city ordered the roofless five-storey structure torn down by Oct. 14. Singh appealed to the provincial Safety Codes Council, saying not enough time was allowed to do the work.
City council approved a plan last year to incorporate three exterior brick walls into a condominium project, but engineers have determined that saving them isn't feasible.
Once the walls are torn down the current zoning, which requires retaining the old facades, will no longer apply and council must pass a new zoning bylaw before any development can go ahead, says a separate report.
A contractor is scheduled to start Wednesday removing the bricks from the arch, which will be catalogued and stored to be included as a remnant in a future building on the site, city officials say. The city will cover the $37,700 cost out of the existing heritage preservation fund.
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^horribly sad... really really is. We WILL look back in 5,10.... and think about how we really could have saved this beauty.

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^...and the city (we) are paying another $37,700 that should really be incurred by the owner.
     
     
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Wow I really don't like that guy at all.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2008, 5:22 PM
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Thumbs down

he sounds like a scumbag — to me
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2008, 5:57 PM
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Yea. I hope the City takes note and learns from this experience. We simply cannot let this happen again.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2008, 6:56 PM
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It seems like we tear down old historic buildings and build crappy looking ones in their place.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2008, 6:59 PM
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Yea. I hope the City takes note and learns from this experience. We simply cannot let this happen again.
I hope so as well. The problem though, is that we always say 'enough is enough' after something like this happens, but then we don't stop developers from getting away with — like this.

People were incensed after the Tegler was destroyed, and yet 20 years later we are letting Mr. Saraswati tear down the oldest apartment in Edmonton.

When are we going to learn from our mistakes?
     
     
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It seems like we tear down old historic buildings and build crappy looking ones in their place.
Not to sound like I'm being a jerk (I'm really not), but please tell me you didn't just notice this now?

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People were incensed after the Tegler was destroyed, and yet 20 years later we are letting Mr. Saraswati tear down the oldest apartment in Edmonton.

When are we going to learn from our mistakes?
The difference there is that Tegler didn't almost burn to the ground after the owner received city funds to spruce it up, only to leave it a dilapidated pile for years while promising to rebuild anew with what remains of the historic facade, only to let it decay until the only option is total demolition.

There's really no comparing the two, except that they were both avoidable tragedies, but the circumstances are totally different.
     
     
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I wonder what the costs would have been to repair damage to this building.

I never truly had an appreciation for historical buildings before coming to Winnipeg. I guess it's because Edmonton's gotten rid of so many of them before my time... I definitely have an appreciation for them now!

What kind of incentives could be given for new developments to have the degree of detail work in their facades as exists in most older buildings?
     
     
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Not to sound like I'm being a jerk (I'm really not), but please tell me you didn't just notice this now?

The difference there is that Tegler didn't almost burn to the ground after the owner received city funds to spruce it up, only to leave it a dilapidated pile for years while promising to rebuild anew with what remains of the historic facade, only to let it decay until the only option is total demolition.

There's really no comparing the two, except that they were both avoidable tragedies, but the circumstances are totally different.
So are you suggesting that the Arlington is a special case because the owner acted particularly wilfully towards the city? It doesn't matter that the circumstances resulting in the demolition of historic buildings are different (aren't they always?). What IS important is the fact that we lament buildings after they are gone but do nothing to save them before they are destroyed. Even after the fire the Arlington could have been saved -- it was even part of the owner's recent plan. Instead the city sat by as winter after winter passed and the building decayed past salvage. People were so incensed by the loss of the Tegler that stuff like this wasn’t supposed to happen again, but it did.

And worst part of all is now the city will remove the arched entryway (which they had to buy from the owner) and it will sit in storage just like the Alberta Hotel for who knows how long. Then, if we're lucky, it will be rebuilt somewhere downtown -- just like the clock from the old post office in front of the Westin -- to remind us how much better our city used to look. Pathetic!
     
     
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Yes, Edmonton used to have one of these, too. But we bulldozed it to make room for the AGT Tower:

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