Saskatoon Construction

[midnightrambler]

Well I figured out why council hasn't been talking about this hotel:

"Unlike adjacent land, the Pacifi c Cinemas site already has the zoning it needs to build a high-rise hotel, Krivoshen said. Another advantage is the site's strategic position near the busy intersection of Idylwyld Drive and 22nd Street, which captures traffi c from both Highway 7 and the Yellowhead, he said."

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[swilley]

Credit Union Centre has added the reno info to their website, I wonder what goes in the hole between sections v and w?


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[Hawker]

Originally Posted by swilley

Credit Union Centre has added the reno info to their website, I wonder what goes in the hole between sections v and w?


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As well as the space between Z and A, as well as the holes in the upper deck where Sec 24 as well as Secs 36-37 should be. (although there are currently suites in those gaps in the upper deck...maybe they are staying?

[Echoes]

Council to take closer look at affordable housing proposals
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Tuesday, October 28, 2008

City council will take a second look at which organization it chooses to build dozens of affordable housing units in Pleasant Hill.

City administration is recommending council select a proposal by Cenith Energy Corp., an Ontario company that promises to build a new type of housing in Saskatoon made entirely from pre-fabricated components. It would be about 70 per cent more energy-efficient than conventional housing, according to the proposal.

But supporters of a proposal from a local organization, Affordable New Home Development Foundation, were scheduled to address council and request the proposal get a closer look. Instead, council voted unanimously to defer discussion to a committee meeting next week, with a council decision likely in two weeks.

"Getting some development in Pleasant Hill is exciting and worthwhile," said Coun. Glen Penner. But he moved the deferral to investigate recent questions that have come up.

Alan Thomarat, chief executive officer of the Saskatoon & Region Home Builders' Association, said outside council chambers that claims by the Affordable New Home Development Foundation as to the energy efficiency of its housing are reasonable, but he questions whether Cenith's 70 per cent claim of greater environmental savings is legitimate.

Cenith's proposal promises to build a wind-power generation plant, a solar water heating system and provide geothermal energy.

The new homes will be spread across two parcels of land -- a 0.76-acre site along Avenue O, north of the Canadian Pacific Railway tracks, and a half-acre site on Avenue N south of 20th Street.

At least half of the units must be offered first to three not-for-profit affordable housing organizations -- Quint Development, Habitat for Humanity and Cress Housing.

Mayor Don Atchison said council shouldn't delay for long choosing a proponent to build badly needed affordable housing.

"We have to get this project underway. It can't wait forever."

The two parcels of land are part of a larger revitalization plan for Pleasant Hill that also includes construction of a new St. Mary School. More housing is planned for two other nearby sites in the future.

The city received four proposals, two of which administration ranked highly.

Cenith promised to build 57 units, including townhouses, apartments and bilevel units.

The city's second choice, a proposal from the foundation, includes a new form of stacked townhouse blocks. It would construct three buildings of 12 units each, with a neighbourhood-friendly design with patios, porches and balconies. The city had hoped to work with both groups, but Cenith replied that its proposal only works with both land parcels, forcing the city to choose.

Two more housing parcels will be available to develop in fall 2010.

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© The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2008

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[neoen]

Originally Posted by Hawker

As well as the space between Z and A, as well as the holes in the upper deck where Sec 24 as well as Secs 36-37 should be. (although there are currently suites in those gaps in the upper deck...maybe they are staying?

not sure about the upper deck, but the lower bowl empty sections are for the zamboni entrance, and for maintenance/configuration setup, meaning, an entrance to bring in the stage for a concert, etc.

[jaysfan99]

Originally Posted by Hawker

As well as the space between Z and A, as well as the holes in the upper deck where Sec 24 as well as Secs 36-37 should be. (although there are currently suites in those gaps in the upper deck...maybe they are staying?

Oh well,........at least it will be mostly full of seating. Can't believe it took 20years for it to be completed. Maybe in another 20 years we can get a nice new shinny arena downtown

[swilley]

The Zamboni enters below A, what about removable seating for the rest? Every other arena that has full seating still needs access for concerts, etc.??? The upper deck holes I believe are already filled with 'half sections' not sure why they don't show up on the map.

Originally Posted by neoen

not sure about the upper deck, but the lower bowl empty sections are for the zamboni entrance, and for maintenance/configuration setup, meaning, an entrance to bring in the stage for a concert, etc.

[midnightrambler]

This will bring Credit Union Centre to a capacity of roughly 15,000 for hockey, and that does not include what they can seat in the middle of those gaps if necessary. So 15-16,000 which ranks with the bottom third of the NHL.

There is not really much sense to the way the NHL is these days. Somehow Nashville gets a team, but Saskatchewan doesn't. That has just never made much sense to me...

With the Salary cap in the NHL today it is in Saskatoon's favor for a franchise. We have the corporate support for a team, we have the rest of the province in support of a team, we have a long standing hockey tradition, we have the fastest growing economy in Canada, and we will soon have the capacity to house such a hockey team.

So what does Nashville have over Saskatoon?

Population, right. I guess so but that doesn't seems to matter. The Roughriders have had the best Attendence in the CFL, are they the smallest market? I doubt it. I think we would see the same level of support from Regina and the province with the advent of pro-hockey in Saskatoon, as we have shown them with pro-football in Regina.

There is no doubt this province could support a team. What we require now is the will to do so. I think this should become a reality before Toronto gets another team.

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by swilley

The Zamboni enters below A, what about removable seating for the rest? Every other arena that has full seating still needs access for concerts, etc.??? The upper deck holes I believe are already filled with 'half sections' not sure why they don't show up on the map.

The reason why there is gaps showing is because those areas have glass fronts with a table and chair area... whether this is going to be club seating or whatever I don't know. Maybe these are designed to be bars which would be pretty cool. When all is said and done I think it will look really good without the gaps filled and we will still have the 15,000-16,000 capacity which is good.

And looking back I believe they may have made the right choice in not building it downtown. Reasons why:
#1 parking, #2 ease of construction, #3 it wouldn't really add to the skyline, # 4 Easy access for the surrounding communities of Martensville and Warman 10,000-15,000 people right there.... There is probably more reasons but I think they made the right choice.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

This will bring Credit Union Centre to a capacity of roughly 15,000 for hockey, and that does not include what they can seat in the middle of those gaps if necessary. So 15-16,000 which ranks with the bottom third of the NHL.

There is not really much sense to the way the NHL is these days. Somehow Nashville gets a team, but Saskatchewan doesn't. That has just never made much sense to me...

With the Salary cap in the NHL today it is in Saskatoon's favor for a franchise. We have the corporate support for a team, we have the rest of the province in support of a team, we have a long standing hockey tradition, we have the fastest growing economy in Canada, and we will soon have the capacity to house such a hockey team.

So what does Nashville have over Saskatoon?

Population, right. I guess so but that doesn't seems to matter. The Roughriders have had the best Attendence in the CFL, are they the smallest market? I doubt it. I think we would see the same level of support from Regina and the province with the advent of pro-hockey in Saskatoon, as we have shown them with pro-football in Regina.

There is no doubt this province could support a team. What we require now is the will to do so. I think this should become a reality before Toronto gets another team.

With Winnipeg and Quebec City (both having metro populations approaching 800,000) no longer having NHL teams and probably unlikely ever will, how could Saskatoon with only 240,000 people support a team. Saskatoon draws poorly for their WHL team, while Winnipeg has averaged close to 8000 per game since the minor Manitoba Moose began playing in Winnipeg in 1996.

[neoen]

I also just want to point out that those numbers are not the size the arena can hold. Stoon would be the lowest in the league if you look at it that way.


From what ive heard it will not be removable seating, because isnt it being considered 'permanent' seating?

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

With Winnipeg and Quebec City (both having metro populations approaching 800,000) no longer having NHL teams and probably unlikely ever will, how could Saskatoon with only 240,000 people support a team. Saskatoon draws poorly for their WHL team, while Winnipeg has averaged close to 8000 per game since the minor Manitoba Moose began playing in Winnipeg in 1996.

I agree that Winnipeg and Quebec City could very well have NHL franchises as well, and perhaps another one in Toronto. But you completely disregarded my point that this would be a provincial team as the Roughriders are. Credit Union Centre is also unique in it's location (Under an Hour drive from North Battleford, Prince Albert and two hours from most of the rest of the province) The draw pool would be from a million. And as I have said before people would make the trip from Regina.

As for Blades attendance, I don't think you can really compare that to Professional sports attendance. It would be like comparing watching Hockey Night in Canada on High Definition to watching Shaw broadcast a Blades game on standard definition. If the Blades draw in the 4-5,000 range that is fine, and hardly at the bottom of the league.

For the record I'd like to see the NHL expand to 32 teams. Have a similar division setup as the NFL. 8 Divisions, two conferences. Cities to add... like you said Quebec City or Winnipeg or, Saskatoon? Cities to relocate Nashville? New York Islanders? Pheonix?

[midnightrambler]

And sorry I should have posted this on another thread

[jaysfan99]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

With Winnipeg and Quebec City (both having metro populations approaching 800,000) no longer having NHL teams and probably unlikely ever will, how could Saskatoon with only 240,000 people support a team. Saskatoon draws poorly for their WHL team, while Winnipeg has averaged close to 8000 per game since the minor Manitoba Moose began playing in Winnipeg in 1996.

I think it has always been a big shame that Winnipeg and Quebec lost their teams. Really not fair!! Atlanta, Columbus and Nashville should not have NHL teams. Those teams should be in Winnipeg, Quebec and Hamilton.
I would really love an NHL team in Saskatoon, but we need to be realistic. I love hockey, and could probably afford to go to one or two games a year. At over $100.00 per game, 240,000 people can't afford to support 41 games a year. The reason the riders are so successful is because there are only 9 home games a year and the tickets are cheap compared to NHL games.

NHL team:
41 games x 16,000/game = 656,000 tickets sold X $100.00 per ticket = $65,600,000 revenue in ticket sales. A city with even a population of 400,000would have a hard time selling 656,000 tickets.

Compare that to
CFL team:
9 games x 31,000/game = 279,000 tickets sold X $40.00 per ticket = $11,160,000 revenue in ticket sales

I'm not trying to be negative, just pointing out the reality. If an NHL team ever does move to Saskatoon, we probably would have a very hard time being competitive and people would eventually loose interest. Another thing to consider would be support from Regina, P.A. and other places in Saskatchewan. The Riders play in the summer and fall, this makes driving easier due to better weather and most games are on weekends. An NHL season is during the cold cold months, and at any time during the week. This would make it harder for people to come to games.

I think we should shoot for a minor league baseball team with a downtown stadium. I was so hurt and sad when the Blues didn't end up moving to Saskatoon, and made me realize that I should be happy we have the Oilers 6 hours away.
I hear they are getting a nice new arena. Lucky!!

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by jaysfan99

I think it has always been a big shame that Winnipeg and Quebec lost their teams. Really not fair!! Atlanta, Columbus and Nashville should not have NHL teams. Those teams should be in Winnipeg, Quebec and Hamilton.
I would really love an NHL team in Saskatoon, but we need to be realistic. I love hockey, and could probably afford to go to one or two games a year. At over $100.00 per game, 240,000 people can't afford to support 41 games a year. The reason the riders are so successful is because there are only 9 home games a year and the tickets are cheap compared to NHL games.

NHL team:
41 games x 16,000/game = 656,000 tickets sold X $100.00 per ticket = $65,600,000 revenue in ticket sales. A city with even a population of 400,000would have a hard time selling 656,000 tickets.

Compare that to
CFL team:
9 games x 31,000/game = 279,000 tickets sold X $40.00 per ticket = $11,160,000 revenue in ticket sales

I'm not trying to be negative, just pointing out the reality. If an NHL team ever does move to Saskatoon, we probably would have a very hard time being competitive and people would eventually loose interest. Another thing to consider would be support from Regina, P.A. and other places in Saskatchewan. The Riders play in the summer and fall, this makes driving easier due to better weather and most games are on weekends. An NHL season is during the cold cold months, and at any time during the week. This would make it harder for people to come to games.

I disagree.

More support for my argument
http://www3.thestar.com/static/PDF/080530_nhl_tickets_revenue.pdf

[jaysfan99]

Originally Posted by midnightrambler

I disagree.

More support for my argument
http://www3.thestar.com/static/PDF/080530_nhl_tickets_revenue.pdf

I'm just happy that Lake Placid will start construction soon.
I really hope it's soon. I'm going crazy here. Start clearing the dirt already,......................please!

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by jaysfan99

I'm just happy that Lake Placid will start construction soon.
I really hope it's soon. I'm going crazy here. Start clearing the dirt already,......................please!

I agree

[swilley]

Originally Posted by neoen

From what ive heard it will not be removable seating, because isnt it being considered 'permanent' seating?

I should have said movable seating, just like what is there already.

[midnightrambler]

Originally Posted by swilley

I should have said movable seating, just like what is there already.

I'm confused... I think what you both meant to say is the top sections of CUC are permanant and the bottom sections are movable because that is what is there already.

On another note, that is pretty cool Gordie Howe Bowl is getting a $30M injection as well. Maybe the riders will give us a preseason game.

[Morogolus]

Hey long time lurker here, first time poster.

What's the status on the Lake Placid development? Have they run into another hurdle? When are they supposed to start digging?