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Agreed, this thing is terrible. Absolutely terrible. Can someone tell the Remai's that there is more to building design than 45 degree angles
x2, their best yet!

Wow, the prototypical Remai design, its like an exact copy of Riverfront only they added a few peaks to "complement" the church spire next door.

The city better fail this one, we can do without more mediocre design in our downtown
     
     
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Besides it being ugly as hell, isn't it also taller than the church? It said in the article that one of the requirements/promises was that it couldn't/wouldn't be taller than the steeple?
     
     
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Let's assume this rendering is actually for a project near Market Mall. Or, better yet, by their new Best Western in Blairmore, which is clearly a much better business decision than that silly River Landing fad.
     
     
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I have a great idea! Why don't we compile an email explaining the mediocracy and tragidies of this project and then suggest what should go there and send it to council?
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now you guys are being a little hard on this development, i quickly drew things which are nice in the picture and areas they need to work on red is what i hate green us what i like



they will still have trees which are nice, the church will still stand, and it will even have a roof!!!!!!!!!!! quite amazing
but accually it is horrible, i like saskftw's point on how it seems like the riverfront, near the same side, same ugly brick, all they did was add some shingles and peaks, it that is aproved i will be absolutely embaressed to live here, anyways a park or something less ugly would be much muche better.

lets carry on, i like the capital mall idea, more stores equal more ppl downdown which equals more vibrant downtown. and for the hardware store i on broadway i noticed that to, i bet nearly half of sutherland area is like that since it is as old as saskatoon is, i will try to take some photos of that and possibly the arches today
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That thing seriously needs a Redesign! The design is terrible and looks like it was designed by someone in the eighties! Heck, even eighties architecture is better. The podium doesnt even have a single window.

Don't get me wrong, I am all in for a densifying the city's skyline & downtown, but not with ugly brick towers.
     
     
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And this development proposal became public in November 2007, for those interested in the discussion we had about what Remai might propose, click here, first post to begin reading is macca's (post #2252)

The following article, written by Josh White (a Calgary SSPer among other designations), brings the perspective many of us were looking for back in November, and continue to hold as we collectively criticize Remai's most recent proposal for Saskatoon.

As Good as New?

TEXT Josh White

As Canadian cities rapidly intensify their historic urban cores, questions about the fit of new buildings in historic districts become increasingly relevant. Historicist buildings that seek to mimic old styles in order to "fit" into their surroundings highlight whether redeveloped urban neighbourhoods are becoming authentic expressions of our time. Nowhere is this issue more apparent than in Calgary's booming Beltline district, where several new developments have sparked heated debate about the merit of historicist design.

Beltline is an eclectic high-density mixed-use neighbourhood shaped by development from its 11-decade history. It stretches immediately south of the central business district, separated by the Canadian Pacific Railway line that originally helped Calgary emerge from the surrounding prairie. In the early 20th century, warehouses lined the tracks and served as the industrial heart of the city. Like many cities, in recent decades several of these red masonry warehouses have either disappeared or been converted into trendy residential lofts and office space. Nevertheless, the area right beside the tracks has been branded the "warehouse district" though the industrial nature of the area is a relic.

In the last several decades, outdated development policy and neglect led to decline, particularly around the warehouse district. However, over five years ago an energized group of community members came together, initiated a total overhaul of planning policy, and amalgamated three smaller neighbourhoods into one large district now known as the Beltline. This opened the floodgates to development and the results have been nothing short of astonishing. With a current population of about 17,000, well over 12,000 residential units are either currently under construction or are proposed. Beltline's population is expected to double in the next decade.

Unlike Calgary's previous boom in the late 1970s and early '80s, where many architectural jewels were lost to demolition, the preservation of historic structures is not at issue this time. The community has crafted innovative policies, including transfers of development rights and other measures, to ensure that historic resources remain intact. It is not a situation of development or heritage, but one of development and heritage. The pressing question has become, "How can we fit the new with the old?"

The same policy documents that have attracted development and preserved heritage are somewhat contradictory on how new buildings should respond to historic contexts. While the community pushed for language encouraging buildings to be "of their time," the City endorsed policies specific to the warehouse district calling for the use of "brick and masonry, in a colour palette that is representative of the warehouse era."

The first test of this policy was the Arriva, a three-tower condominium project in the midst of the warehouse district and on the same block as an early-20th-century sandstone school building. The towers are striking aqua green, the first rising 35 storeys. Architect Peter Burgener of BKDI Architects, along with the community's planning committee, pushed for a contemporary commercial podium to match the modern lines and materials of the tower above, but ran into a brick wall during negotiations with City administration. Burgener claims they were forced to conform to a brick and sandstone material palette to match the warehouse surroundings. The result is a base podium that has no relation to the modern tower above and is itself deception.

In a more extreme example, the Mount Royal Block on Calgary's trendy 17th Avenue caused often impassioned debate about historicism and the potential theming of the city. At the very heart of 17th Avenue, the Mount Royal Block was a 1911 Edwardian-style commercial building. Years of neglect and a crumbling foundation, however, necessitated the replacement of the structure.

The first proposal, a 20-storey ultra-contemporary tower, was resolutely rejected by the upscale Mount Royal community just south of 17th Avenue. It was said to be out of character and scale. The developer came back with a two-storey contemporary box detailed with glass and brick. This created a great deal of outrage, especially by those who wanted to recreate the architectural character of the 1911 building being demolished.

The developer responded to this strong opposition--which included an online petition--by contracting local architect Loren Simpson, well known for the restoration of historic buildings, to redesign the project. The result was a faux-Edwardian commercial building complete with red brick, copula and sculpted mock-sandstone cornices. The details of the building were "inspired" by the neighbouring 1912 Anderson Apartments, the historic Devenish Building, and Western Canada High School. The replacement of an Edwardian building with a thematic replica satisfied opponents.

Following the redesign, a clear divide emerged on either side of 17th Avenue, the border between the high-density, mixed-use and mixed-income Beltline district, and the tony John Olmsted-designed garden suburb of Mount Royal. Many in the heavily populated Beltline area were appalled by the historicist design. One Beltline resident likened the mock-historic building to stuffing your pet when it dies. The stance of Beltline was to seek a "heritage building of the future" with exemplary architecture representative of its time. The developer made it clear that they were catering to the desire of the Mount Royal community for heritage-inspired design rather than the cutting edge.

At the same time, several more high-rise residential towers were proposed with red brick "skirts" thrown around the base, despite the community association's planning committee opposing the crude superficiality of the podium design.

Growing frustration mounted in response to the outbreak of "red brick syndrome" and prompted the community association to take action. Beltline Communities of Victoria and Connaught launched its first Beltline Urban Forum in May of 2007. The forum brought in leading experts on the fit of buildings to historic districts, and included Bruce Kuwabara of Kuwabara Payne McKenna Blumberg Architects (KPMB) and Robert Lemon, architect and chair of the Vancouver Heritage Foundation. The forum addressed the question, "Should new buildings look like old ones?"

A clear consensus on faux-historic design emerged: don't build a warehouse-district theme park. Instead, a better response is to introduce compatible yet distinguishable buildings into historic contexts. This concept resonated with the community.

Lemon developed a list of the various aspects of fit criteria. That is, the various elements including local vernacular and style, built form, height, scale, outline, rhythm, pattern, fenestration, material and colour that need consideration when introducing a new structure into a heritage context. It was noted that in the Beltline, the tacking of brick on the podium level was prioritizing material and colour. According to Lemon, in most cases, material and colour are the least important aspects of fit.

Kuwabara cited several examples of his firm's buildings that met most if not all aspects of fit, but remained distinct as contemporary. Most striking is KPMB's "sugar cube" building in a historic district in Denver, which displays a distinctly modern vernacular while responding to its context through scale, rhythm, colour, datum lines and fenestration.

Lemon argued that a balance must be struck on the continuum between the compatible and distinguishable. In the case of buildings such as Mount Royal Block, no balance is achieved. Will the average person be able to tell what is real and what is fake in 20 years? The copycats themselves are not only dishonest and kitschy, but diminish the value of the authentic heritage resources. By creating a respectful contrast that reflects contemporary thinking in design, heritage buildings stand out as special.

Further, the predominance of heritage buildings in a district should have an influence on where a new building should fit on the continuum. In an area overwhelmed by buildings of a similar vernacular and scale, it is more important, according to Lemon, to pay attention to aspects of compatibility.

In Beltline's warehouse district, this is certainly not the situation. Despite the district's moniker, in reality, the majority of land is vacant or redevelopable. At build out, the balance of buildings will be new. According to Lemon, this makes a weak case for conforming strictly to the vernacular of remaining warehouses in the area.

Despite these few examples of historicism, much of what is going on in the neighbourhood is very encouraging. There are many examples of well-executed large-scale projects that will help transform the community into one of the most livable high-density urban communities in Canada. In Beltline, where practically every undeveloped parcel of land has been bought up for development, quality of the built form is paramount in ensuring this quality of life. Individual projects are thought of in relation to others and how they contribute to the whole, so that they become much more than simply the sum of their parts.

Policy demanding active pedestrian interfaces on all four sides of the building, human-scale elements at grade, floorplate size restrictions, and other urban design measures ensure a certain level of quality without being overly prescriptive. Seeking density, variety and quality are the primary principles. This has left the door wide open to innovation. In a young city with very few preconceived notions of the way things should be, urban communities like Beltline are fertile ground for innovation and new ideas.

The first Beltline Urban Forum successfully changed participants' thoughts about historicism and the direction of architecture in Calgary. No longer is the City forcing developers to conform to the prescriptive policies of the past. Other older districts, such as Inglewood, are looking to the Beltline Urban Forum consensus to craft policy about the fit of new developments within their neighbourhoods.

The second Beltline Urban Forum held in September 2007 examined the uses of alleyways in the community, but looked for effective ways to change laneways from garbage pick-up zones into places where people can live affordably, shop, and rediscover some of the city's forgotten spaces. All this makes Beltline and Calgary a place to watch in coming decades.

Other cities, faced with the temptation to employ shallow responses to revitalizing heritage districts, can learn from the mistakes made and the discussions occurring in Calgary. In order for a city to successfully redevelop an area while paying respect to its past, it is critical to create authentic 21st-century neighbourhoods that help shape their own character.It is important to remain true to the era in which the structures are being created while respectfully intermingling with the past. False podiums and faux-historic themed buildings do nothing but remove character from a place, the very character well-intentioned planning policies claim to protect.

Josh White is a community planner for Beltline Communities.

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Looks just like the last one they built.

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Riverfront land sold to provide funds for church upkeep
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, October 01, 2008

City council has cleared a path for construction of a condo highrise as tall as 15 storeys on the south side of the historic St. John's Anglican Church.

After a public hearing Monday, council agreed to lift the heritage designation from a small parcel of land owned by the church immediately south of the cathedral. The heritage designation remains in place on the cathedral.

The church is selling the land to Remai Ventures.

The developer has promised within the sale agreement that its tower won't be higher than the church steeple. The sale agreement also requires the high-rise's design to complement the church, have no communication devices on the roof and include a common green space between the high-rise and cathedral.

"We recognize some will lament the changing skyline along Spadina," said Derwyn Crozier-Smith, representing the church at City Hall on Monday. It's true that the view of the steeple will be blocked from certain vantage points, he said.

Remai has an artist's rendering, but not drawn blueprints. Construction won't begin until 2011 at the earliest, said Curtis Zwack, director of real estate for Remai Ventures. No decision has been made on how many storeys or units the highrise will have, he said.

The design will complement the church with red brick and an arched doorway design, Zwack said.

"It's a good-looking building. . . . Really, St. John's is very visible."

The Saskatoon Heritage Society is concerned about the precedent, said spokesperson Peggy Sarjeant. Even if adjacent land isn't historic in itself, it's important to maintain sightlines to heritage buildings, she said.

"The spire of St. John's, a beloved city landmark, will be overwhelmed and reduced to insignificance," the heritage society wrote to city council.

The site of the future condo highrise contains a 1950s-era house once used by the parish priest and a small shed.

The cathedral was started in 1912 and not finished until 1917 because of the First World War. Finances are one reason the church is selling land, said Crozier-Smith.

The cathedral needs up to $2-million worth of work on the roof, brickwork, doors and stone steps. The church is carrying a large mortgage from construction in 1995 of a columbarium (resting place for cremated remains).

"Like many churches with large buildings and small congregations, we struggle," said Crozier-Smith in an interview. "This is not panic, just prudent stewardship of our property."

Crozier-Smith and Zwack declined to give the sale price for the land.

An important consideration in preserving heritage buildings is ensuring they're economically viable, said Randy Grauer, manager of city planning and development services.

The city is beginning a study of its downtown land use, zoning and policies. It's expected to take two years because of the large number of landowners and city residents who would have to be consulted.

Coun. Charlie Clark said the city should look closely at how it can ensure new development has a design compatible with neighbouring properties along the riverfront and throughout the core.

"We don't have much in the way of development guidelines downtown," he said. "The zoning currently is quite flexible and doesn't offer opportunity for discussion about looking for design that fits in."
The resemblance is astounding, I can't believe they're serious about this.


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The Riverfront is a 15 storey, 101 unit condominium building located on the west bank of the South Saskatchewan River in downtown Saskatoon. It is a cast-in-place structure with four levels of parking, one below grade and three above, along with 12 storeys of residential condos. This is our second project with P.R. Developments working as a subcontractor. Our contract for this project is to build the concrete structure only.
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I think Remai should take a hike, or contract an outside architect if their standard guy can't think of anything befitting for our skyline.

Emphasis on shape is critical. Another stucco rectangular box fronting the skyline, and additionally is adjacent to an extremely defined structure, completely inappropriate, not even close to complementary.

Accepting Remai's proprosal is like purchasing 100 yr old wine and discounted aged Cheese Whiz; the combination is complementary only because the wine bottle is leaking due to an imperfection in the bottle, and aged Cheese Whiz is the most readily available plug for the leaky wine bottle...they are not complementary in the context of pairing two flavors together.

Just another forgettable stucco box, Spadina Crescent does not deserve more of this crap

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Like I said everyone, if we send a mass email to council expressing our constant dissappointment with Remais architectural performance maybe they'll impose strict architectural guidelines or call for a MUCH more aesthetically pleasing structure. What's the harm in trying?
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Why... why does Remai hate Saskatoon so much? Why are they punishing us with this?
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Unfortunately it seems that making Saskatoon an attractive city is not a priority for Remai. Building something and maximizing profits is the goal. If they actually wanted to build something worth looking at, they would hire someone like Derek Kindrachuk. He is the guy that did the airport design.
They keep using the same old Architect with no vision at all. I would rather nothing be build than another peace of crap. It is making our beautiful city look second class. We all need to do something about this!!!
     
     
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Unfortunately it seems that making Saskatoon an attractive city is not a priority for Remai. Building something and maximizing profits is the goal. If they actually wanted to build something worth looking at, they would hire someone like Derek Kindrachuk. He is the guy that did the airport design.
They keep using the same old Architect with no vision at all. I would rather nothing be build than another peace of crap. It is making our beautiful city look second class. We all need to do something about this!!!
Rather disappointed with Remai.

Who should we bombard with emails expressing our extreme disdain for Remai's proposal?

I intend to submit a response by writing a letter to council .
     
     
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You will notice the Rumley building poking through on the horizon, just above the black van and next to the green light standard.




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^The Eaton's townhouses are coming along nicely. Hope to see more projects like that in that area in the near future. Kudos to the developer for taking a chance building them as part of their loft project... it's still basically an industrial no-man's land in that area. This will help to improve the aesthetics. I wonder if any of the townhouses have been pre-sold already?

Thanks for the pics anyway.
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I'm no architect, but think something like this would look much better on spadina.
     
     
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To lazy to search for pictures right now, but it would be good to see other Remai projects for comparison. Fremai tower and the Waterford come to mind, not to mention their Riverlanding proposal. They all have disturbing similarities.
     
     
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I'm wondering if anybody knows what's going on beside the Broadway condo on five corners? They torn up a bunch of nice grass and are obviously planning something... any ideas?
     
     
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I'm wondering if anybody knows what's going on beside the Broadway condo on five corners? They torn up a bunch of nice grass and are obviously planning something... any ideas?
I'd like to know as well.

According to the most recent editions of various city zoning maps, the site in question is zoned for R2A - Low Density Residential Infill District, it may have changed though.


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I'm no architect, but think something like this would look much better on spadina.
What is that? Why not have something slender and terraced, perhaps even curved/cylindrical shapes? I'm not very good at explaining building design, I'll try to dig up some images of what I'm thinking of.

The podium looks better, probably townhouses instead of parking (a superior choice). I'd like to see a small bistro/coffee shop for that area, but customer parking might be a problem?

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I found a few proposals that had the qualities I was looking for. BTW, these are all from the Mid rise construction/proposal sections on SSP.

Name: The Broadway San Antonio
Height: 20 floors
Start: 2007
Finish: 2009
Groundbreaking: 10/2/07.
Location: 4210 Broadway Street
Borough: North Side
Neighborhood: Uptown Broadway
Website:http://www.thebroadwaysanantonio.com/
Emporis link: http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=4210broadwaystreet-sanantonio-tx-usa


I like the rounded corner on the front which softens the otherwise bulky rectangular shape. The curved corner also uses different surface material (glass) to reduce the feeling of a dull and bland stucco exterior.


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The podium could use some work, as well as the roof line by doing away with the overhanging element and replaced with simple beveled trim/molding, similar to the roof line on this building Source

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Office use, but the I found the overall blending of a variety of different shapes and materials to be balanced well, and as a result, appears very symmetrical but diverse at the same time.

Just need to fit balconies in there somehow.


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The following structure elicited similar feelings as the above, but in different ways.

I like how there are 3-4 distinct shapes to the building, and they are kept independent of each other through the entire height of the building.

This is a residential building BTW, visit the development website for floor plans if you're interested.

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Tallest building in Ireland (not very impressive by international standards I know) going up right now and I have an excellent view of it from my window
Officially it has 17 stories but the core has actually risen to 18 stories including the ground floor and will also have a penthouse on top.

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So there is a short list of what I prefer for Spadina Crescent/riverfront skyline.

There are so many things I dislike about Remai's proposal, the color, the texture, the shape, the street level presence, a complete lack of progressive design (like so much of Saskatoon's downtown architecture).

And they want to build next to a beautiful church, sorry, they must come up with something as equally visually stunning/significant.

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Two comments to make in this post.

First, let me add my frustration, disappointment and anger(?) regarding the most recent Remai proposal for Spadina. A sister copy of the existing Riverfront condo's less then a block away. Why the cookie cutter approach to design. If all they have is uninspired, old, caught in the past architects/designers working for them, then it is time they subcontract out to some young innovative thinkers. As has been said here already, Saskatoon deserves better. I hate to slam a developer investing money in Saskatoon, but PLEASE...try and come up with something that makes a positives statement about the progressiveness of our city.

Second comment is on the Lighthouse proposal. I was very disappointed to hear for the first time that this project is being phased in, with the condo (upper floor) portion comprising the second phase. I have to say this creates some real concern as to whether we will ever see this project completed to its finality. With the LUXE, River Landing, KG, 2nd Ave lofts and now this Remai project on the books (plus rumored condo development by the Catholic Church on Spadina), I can see the Lighthouse developer holding off to gage whether Saskatoon has the market to absorb all these new condo projects. I hope the developer is an optimist and proceeds quickly on the phase II, but I would not be surprised if this does not happen....so much for our tallest building in Sask.
     
     
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An overview article from SP's Rod Nickel summarizing the latest development topics in Saskatoon.

It sounds like another Spadina church is looking to sell land for condos. I hope St Pauls has enough sense to not hire the well established, but under performing visionary developer Remai

More changes in store for Spadina skyline
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, October 02, 2008

St. John's Anglican Church isn't the only landmark downtown church considering adding housing to its site.

The Saskatoon Catholic Diocese plans to sell or co-develop the land under its St. Paul's rectory and Catholic Centre between Fifth Avenue and Spadina Crescent downtown, said Bishop Albert LeGatt. The proceeds will go toward building a new cathedral in northeast Saskatoon. St. Paul's will remain open as a parish.

No decisions have been made about what type of development will surround St. Paul's, although "housing seems like a good fit," LeGatt said.


The Saskatoon Catholic Diocese plans to develop its property at 22nd Street West and Fifth Avenue North. Gord Waldner, The StarPhoenix

"If it was connected directly to the church, that would be an advantage."

New development would have to include parish offices and a residence for the priest.

Once construction of the new cathedral begins -- as early as next fall -- the diocese will market the St. Paul's land, LeGatt said. Donations and pledges amount to $9 million so far toward a $20-million fundraising goal.

Whatever is built at St. Paul's will add to a changing riverfront skyline. St. John's Anglican, farther north along Spadina, is selling part of its land to a developer who plans to build a condo highrise as tall as 15 storeys.

St. John's is selling the land to help pay for restoration work. St. Paul's is building a new cathedral because the diocese has outgrown its existing one.

New gas station for Broadway

Shell Canada got the OK Monday to build a new gas station at the corner of Broadway Avenue and Eighth Street, despite concerns about encroaching into the residential area.

Shell owns the site of its gas station at 1101 Broadway (zoned for commercial use) and a smaller adjacent lot (zoned for residential). The smaller lot has been used for parking since 1986.

The oil company now wants to build a bigger gas station and convenience store on the consolidated site, thus requiring a zoning change on the smaller lot to commercial use.

City administration generally opposes rezoning residential land near the Broadway business district. In this case, because it's an existing business that's expanding, council approved a development plan amendment and zoning change to allow the project to proceed.

Broadway residents have also raised concerns about the gas station potentially being open 24 hours. But Shell Canada rep Shawn Macdougall told council the gas station will be open 18 hours a day, likely from 6:30 a.m. to 11:30 p.m.

Parking stall reality check

Mayor Don Atchison made a point Monday of clarifying that the city isn't selling the police station parking lot to Saskatchewan Housing for just $1. Along with the loonie, the city gets 100 enclosed parking spaces that developer Stoneset Equities values at $27,000 per stall, or $2.7 million in total.

Is that a realistic estimate? Yes, according to an industry expert contacted by The StarPhoenix.

"Rough cost for (an) above-grade garage is $25,000 to $30,000 per stall, excluding land," said Ralph Bond, a Toronto-based parking and traffic consultant, in an e-mail reply. "Below ground would be $35,000 to $50,000 depending upon how deep and how efficient it is."

All that would suggest the estimate the city used to gauge whether it was getting fair value for its land was at the low end, if anything.

This was a silent movie

After years of debate about the proper place of cinemas in the city, council approved without a word new zoning that could bring a movie complex to University Heights.

The new B4A zoning allows for a mix of stores, offices and apartments. Movie theatres are a discretionary use requiring public notice and an application to council. Council applied the new zoning to a 23-acre parcel north of Attridge Drive and west of McOrmond Drive.

Traffic tidbits

- The city is creating a left-turn lane for southbound traffic at Circle Drive and Preston Avenue this fall. Next year, it's planning to add a right-turn lane on Circle eastbound turning into Stonebridge. The city hopes to build an overpass within five years.

- Yield signs are being installed for westbound and eastbound vehicles at 35th Street and Avenue B North because of a number of collisions.

- Stop signs will replace yield signs at the corner of Main Street and Eastlake Avenue.

Not our department

City councillors deflected a few issues Monday, pointing out correctly they don't fall under city jurisdiction. After hearing housing concerns from University of Saskatchewan students union vice-president Shannon Dyck, Coun. Bev Dubois told her the university board of governors, not the city, is responsible for students. When two more students raised the issue of high rents, Coun. Glen Penner suggested they contact MLAs, who have jurisdiction over rent.

And earlier in the meeting, Dubois wondered why the province isn't giving Saskatoon money to buy more Access Transit buses.

That approach didn't satisfy Access Transit rider Jamie McKenzie.

He said he frequently forgoes trips on busy Access Transit to ensure others with disabilities can get around.

"You guys are always complaining the province should help," he said. "All I want you guys to do is quit complaining."

Just so you know . . .

- In its first full year since expanding, TCU Place turned a net operating profit of just under $687,000 in 2007, compared with an $89,000 loss the previous year.

- Rawlco Radio has been awarded a five-year contract to sell advertising inside and outside transit buses. Rawlco will pay the city $2.95 million. Transit gets guaranteed revenue of $230,000 per year, or 40 per cent of gross advertising sales, whichever is greater.

They said it:

- SP columnist Gerry Klein listened to Shakespeare on the Saskatchewan artistic and executive director Mark von Eschen list off payments to creditors and summed up the theatre festival's new fiscal approach this way: "Neither a borrower nor a lender be."

- That Mayor Atchison knows how to paint a picture. Following a presentation by city and U of S administration on how they're working together on sustainable strategies, Atchison wondered if the collaboration breaks new ground.

"Are we on the leading edge? (Or) are we on the rear end and pushing a broom?"

- Penner, council's ironman, hasn't said if he's running for another term in 2009, but Atchison figures he can read between the lines.

Commenting on the question of whether Broadway's commercial area is encroaching on the residential neighbourhood with Shell's plans for a new gas station, Penner said if it was an encroachment he wouldn't support it. And if he serves another term, he won't support that kind of development then, either, he said.

"Thank you Coun. Penner," Atchison replied. "Sounds like you're running for re-election. That's good news."

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