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Old Posted Sep 4, 2008, 11:03 PM
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I for one love the new facade. No offense but trying to reproduce the original facade was not the way to go. This is not 1910 or 20's this is 2008! It will make a nice addition to the streetscape when it is complete.
I completely agree, It has a nice modern feel (more glass than stucco is ok in my books) and it still gives a classic feel. Well done Meridian
     
     
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i don't know, to me it feels like a let down, they did not even try to have and resemblence to the old building, to me it just seems like another building downtown, not the king george. it is nice that they did give the building a fresh start it just seems like they took so much out of the old it is something completely different. the design is nice but to me it just does not feel right. the thing that would make me happy is if they decided to keep the 2 big arches for the doors and got the crest back. that way it would look new but you would know it is the king george
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Here's another voice in favor of the 'new' KG. I'm satisfied with it as I didn't expect a re-creation of the original structure to begin with. It will be a great addition to the downtown. Very classy.
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I am going to cry, I had such high expectations for this project and they were not met at all. It is just another postmodern condominium. If it doesn't look better in real life, I will have to murder Ken Achs. HA, but actually, i am extremely dissapointed.
     
     
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I am going to cry, I had such high expectations for this project and they were not met at all. It is just another postmodern condominium. If it doesn't look better in real life, I will have to murder Ken Achs. HA, but actually, i am extremely dissapointed.
Can I ask what you were expecting? or what you hoped it to be?
     
     
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they did not even try to have and resemblence to the old building, to me it just seems like another building downtown, not the king george.
You mean not like the old, run down, decrepit King George? Because that's what 95% of the public probably thinks of when they picuture the King George. From the pictures of the KG BEFORE the hideous renos (that are FAR worse than anything Meridian could have came up with I'm sure!) it looks like they took elements of the original and worked them into a new age, modern design. It looks pretty slick to me and will be a nice addition to downtown
     
     
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Has anyone heard anymore regarding the possible reconstruction of the dome on the senator hotel? I feel like this would really secure a heritage vibe in the d/t area.
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CUC adds 3,000 seats

Council gives preliminary nod to Howe Bowl, arena expansion
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, September 03, 2008

When two major expansions to Saskatoon sports venues are complete, Credit Union Centre will approach NHL size and the refurbished Gordie Howe Bowl will be the city's biggest football stadium.

City council gave preliminary approval to both expansion projects Tuesday, which combined represent the biggest investment in Saskatoon's major sports facilities since the arena opened in 1988. The projects are contingent on CUC landing provincial support and the Gordie Howe Bowl project attracting federal and corporate funds.

The 2,981 upper-deck seats CUC is adding to the open west end of the arena -- in time for the 2010 world junior hockey championship -- will bump capacity for hockey past 15,000 and occasionally more for concerts. That puts it in the same league as Winnipeg's MTS Centre.

"I'd say it's fairly significant," said CUC general manager Ken Wood. "In terms of major sporting events and concerts, we definitely do compete with Winnipeg."

Most concerts the arena hosts will continue to position the stage in the open west end. The centre had earlier announced it is installing 1,000 removable seats on the lower level of that end in time for the world juniors.

Some of the additional upper-deck seats may be used for concerts with the stage at the west end. All of the new seats would be available for centre-stage concerts. Greater capacity would especially help at major sporting events such as the world juniors, the Brier and potentially the Memorial Cup, Wood said. The expansion is expected to be complete by November 2009.

Mayor Don Atchison said the NHL's cost structure likely makes a team unaffordable for Saskatoon, even with the expanded rink. But it puts Saskatoon in line for hosting the occasional regular-season NHL game, he said.

"If we weren't hosting the world juniors here, this opportunity (to expand) would have slipped by again," said Atchison, a member of the CUC board of directors. "And the costs will continue to increase on this sort of project. This is an opportunity to finish it all off."

Construction of the extra seats is conditional on final approval of CUC borrowing $2 million from the city, after a public hearing Sept. 15, and a provincial grant of $3 million. The centre will pay the city loan back from its own earnings over 10 years.

CUC has already applied for the provincial funds and expects an answer within two weeks. The total cost of the upper-deck expansion is $6.7 million, adding in funds from CUC reserves and an existing city loan.

Including $2.5 million announced earlier for the extra lower seats, CUC's expansion plans total $8.5 million. Hockey Canada is expected to contribute at least $500,000, depending on ticket sales. Expanding seating capacity poses some logistical concerns. CUC is talking with the city about using nearby land for overflow parking and will have to encourage concert-goers to carpool or ride transit, Wood said.

The centre plans to add permanent washrooms and concessions. It will be the second time the world juniors have catalyzed a seating expansion at the arena. CUC opened as SaskPlace in 1988 with a capacity of 7,800. It expanded to 11,300 for the 1990 world junior tournament.

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In todays star phoenix, a member of the heritage society gives his 'nod of approval' for the KG renderings, so I guess I eat crow. It was just a bit more modern then I was expecting, but apparently it's design does have early Parisian elements. I am very curious/anxious to see how effectively they do the 'courtyard' aspect of the development. I think that could add a lot of interest and uniqueness to this project.

And let me say again...I fullly support new or redevelopment downtown. I think we will see a real change in 'atmosphere' in the evenings as more people move downtown. The other great news is that the KG is trying to court a 'boutique' style food market for its main floor...about time and I am sure will be well used by the new condos in the area (2nd Ave Lofts, Fairbanks, Rumley, Lighthouse)
     
     
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'I think it's going to blow people away'
The King George to have European look
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Friday, September 05, 2008
The former King George Hotel, once scarred by vandalism and fires, is transforming into a limestone-and-glass condo block with a royal flourish.

Not surprisingly, it's been a stretch to make it happen. Meridian Development Corp. bought the 97-year-old KG last year from the city. It soon discovered the original brick under a tacky layer of tile was too damaged to restore. Then it found structural damage.

"It was a feat to save it," said Meridian partner Karl Miller. "It's been way more work than we ever imagined. Should we have done it (from an economic point of view)? I don't know, but we did it.
"I think it's going to blow people away."

The King George, as it will still be called, will have 21 condos on the upper three floors, ranging from 768 to 1,460 square feet. They haven't yet been priced.

The second floor will be office space, with retail -- possibly a grocery store -- on the main floor of the old hotel at Second Avenue and 23rd Street. A two-storey addition is under construction on the south side along Second, with a mix of office and retail space. A 60-spot heated parkade is being built behind it.

The KG's design by Charles Olfert of AODBT is an ambitious fusion of Parisien style, the hotel's past and some modern luxuries.

"We wanted to emulate something you'd see in Europe," Miller said. "And part of (the design) is to take it back somewhat to what it was."

The exterior of the lower two floors will be hand-carved limestone, with stucco made to resemble concrete covering the upper three floors.

Suites fronting on Second and 23rd have French balconies with stylized "KG" letters in the ironwork. Four mansard roofs, adorned with lion medallions, are intended to add height and class.

Inside, Meridian intends to make the lobby the focal point it was in the KG's glory days. Two original chandeliers will dangle from the 16-foot high ceiling. The original tattered blueprints, discovered during salvage of the building, will be framed and hung in the lobby with other salvaged items.

"It'll be really impressive," Miller said. "You'll know you're in a special place."

There are also purely modern design elements.

The rooftop terrace will have an all-season outdoor kitchen, including a cook-top, barbecue, granite countertops and refrigerators.

Contrasting the small windows the old hotel had, some condos will have floor-to-ceiling glass. The design includes four, three-storey glass bump-outs that allow someone inside to stand slightly away from the rest of the facade and gaze down the street.

"It's quite striking," said James Winkel, chair of the city's heritage advisory committee, after seeing the artist's rendering. "In my eyes, they're following through on the historical integrity of the building."

When construction is complete, the cost will be around $10-million, a million or two more than expected. The building that once looked like it might fall over in a stiff breeze is now structurally solid for the long run.

"It'll last now several hundred years," Miller said. "We did everything top to bottom."

The KG restoration is only one of several construction projects bringing life to north downtown. Second Avenue Lofts across 23rd is nearing completion. The historic Rumley building is also being gutted and expanded for lofts in the warehouse district.

"This corner is just going to come alive," Miller said.

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Well I feel this shall be a very positive development for the north downtown and will help define the Saskatoon architectural style. It's nice to see that they are using limestone as the exterior and that they are recreating the terracotta lions heads. It also looks like the original plan may have been to use the bricks but they were to damaged for restoration so I think they made a smart choice with limestone. It will be nice to see a grocery store go in but I think the downtown also needs a larger scale store like Safeway or Co-op. Living in d/t Calgary for a while those stores were very beneficial b/c no one really goes to a boutique grocer for a majore food run. These stores can be fashioned in a very positive manner and hopefully will come to d/t Saskatoon within the next year or two to help reinforce population development d/t.
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The sales centre for the KG opens on sept. 26 at 173 2nd Ave. S. Have to check it out, more then often with buildings that have decent exteriors the inside is HIDEOUS! Most people forget that interiors are just as important if not more important then the exterior b/c that is where all interactions take place. By the sounds of their description it shouldn't be a let down, hopefully it's not another bessborough disaster
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Another tidbit of info, is that the RFP for the Riverlanding feature building is up on the site, I wonder what people will come up with. I'm really hoping for something that either is a VERY unique mix of french traditionalism and post modernism or a completley futuritic building using all sorts of glass, light, stone and metal techniques.
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I am very impessed with the new KG. It looks awsome. I love the European look.
I wish I was half as impressed with the 2nd Ave Lofts building. In my opinion it looks like s**t from the outside. With the eception of adding an extra floor and cutting holes for the windowns, the rest looks like crap.

What does everyone else think?

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I am very impessed with the new KG. It looks awsome. I love the European look.
I wish I was half as impressed with the 2nd Ave Lofts building. In my opinion it looks like s**t from the outside. With the eception of adding an extra floor and cutting holes for the windowns, the rest looks like crap.

What does everyone else think?
I'm probably one of the only few people who like the exterior, its like a modern ode to 60's architecture but it's being done well and I like that they kept the old mosaic. Once the streetscape improves in that area it shall be a nice addition. As well I think people are just tired of always seeing it being stagnant and just want it finished.
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I have somewhat changed my mind on the King George. I am still not as impressed as i could have been, it just doesn't look to special from the renderings. I personally like 2nd ave. lofts, just because it is so unique.
     
     
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By Luke Simcoe, TheStarPhoenix.com
Published: Sunday, September 07, 2008

SASKATOON -- According to the University of Saskatchewan Student Union (USSU), the renovation of the Place Riel student centre is a saga that has been going on for over 25 years.

Last week, students found out that it will likely be going on for a little longer.

Renovation and expansion of the student centre, which was originally built in 1981, was slated to begin this month, but expected cost overruns of approximately $5 million have threatened to delay, or possibly even derail the project, said USSU representative Jeremy Ring.

The renovations would include more space for students, additional food vendors and retail outlets, a new USSU office, and a two-floor health and wellness centre.

Originally budgeted at $16 million, the improvements are now expected to ring in at $21 million.

Ring says that rising building expenses and unanticipated design changes are to blame for the project's increased price tag.

"Construction costs are soaring out of control," he said.

When they discovered that it was over budget, Ring and the other USSU executives chose not to take the project to the university's approval board in July.

"It's kind of at this apex," said Ring. "Do we push forward, or do we scale back?"

There's also the possibility that the University Student's Council (USC) will decide not to go ahead with the proposed renovations even though the planning stages have already cost students approximately $272,000.

"We've tried to not think about that," Ring said. "We want to proceed with the project as planned."

As the renovations are to be funded entirely by the student body, whether or not the project proceeds will depend on student's willingness to accept an additional fee increase.

Ring describes the situation as "very precarious," as there was no referendum in 2007 when students' infrastructure fees were raised from ten dollars to $44 per term in order to fund the Place Riel project.

"That's a 440 percent increase," Ring noted.

Still, Ring said that many students have come to him and voiced their support for the project despite the increased cost.

He added that "even if it's an unpopular decision, twenty years from now when students are still enjoying it, it will be looked at as the smartest decision."

Although the University is shouldering the $10 million cost of the health and wellness centre, an aspect not included in the USSU's budget, it's remaining at arms length from the project.

"We very much respect (the student union's) own governance and independence," said Richard Florizone, vice president of finance and resources for the university.

Florizone admits that even when it was first built, Place Riel was considered by many to be too small, but he says the university has no plans to open its wallet should students decide against raising fees.

"Students will need to make some choices," Florizone said.

Those wishing to find out more about Place Riel's future can attend an orientation on Sept. 18 at 6 p.m. in the university's arts building. Architects, project managers and accountants will be on hand to answer questions.

"If students want to get engaged with this, it's the single most important meeting to attend," said Ring.


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By Luke Simcoe, TheStarPhoenix.com
Published: Saturday, September 06, 2008

SASKATOON -- Fed up with skyrocketing gas prices? Tired of costly car repairs and insurance premiums? Sick of driving in circles trying to find a parking spot?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, then you might be a candidate for car sharing.

Originating in Europe, car sharing is a unique form of car rental where users can rent cars for short periods of time, often by the hour. Car sharing organizations can take many forms, but they are often either commercial enterprises such as Zipcar of Flexcar, or non-profit cooperatives like the Cooperative Auto Network (CAN) in Vancouver.

Car sharing provides an alternative for those who don't necessarily want to own an automobile, but still need the convenience that a car provides.

Heather Trueman believes that a car sharing program would go a long way towards making Saskatoon a more environmentally-friendly city.

"We need to do things differently," she says. "We need to find ways of getting people driving less."

Trueman, an environmentalist and self-styled sustainability consultant, has spent the last few months studying the feasibility of a car sharing cooperative in Saskatoon.

She has seen successful car sharing initiatives arise in larger cities like Toronto and Vancouver, and she believes that the time is right to push for something similar here.

"I think we're sufficiently green enough now that this might actually fly," Trueman says.

Trueman was hired to help start a car sharing co-op in Saskatoon by Brian Sawatzky, the owner of the Confederation Inn on Fairlight Drive.

Sawatzky, a former science teacher, is passionate about environmental causes. He recently "greened up" his business by installing a solar panel on the inn's roof and working to conserve energy and water. He claims to have reduced the inn's total CO2 output by 30 per cent and hopes to reduce it further in the near future.

"He's very interested in promoting green things in Saskatoon," says Trueman of Sawatzky.

Sawatzky believed the city was ready for a car sharing program, and he decided that someone needed to get the ball rolling.

"I don't see nearly as much leadership from politicians as there should be, so individuals have to start carrying the load," he says.

For anyone who wants to learn more about car sharing, or get involved with the program in Saskatoon, Trueman will be hosting a meeting on Tuesday at 7:30 p.m. at the Victoria School library located at 639 Broadway Ave.

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I'm probably one of the only few people who like the exterior, its like a modern ode to 60's architecture but it's being done well and I like that they kept the old mosaic. Once the streetscape improves in that area it shall be a nice addition. As well I think people are just tired of always seeing it being stagnant and just want it finished.
I don't mind the design -- in fact I like it, being a big mid-century modern design fiend. But I'm very skeptical about that project: the last time we discussed it on this thread (in February, I think) the word was that possession would begin "this Summer". Now, apparently, it's "October".

I've watched the possession date get moved back by four to six months a time ever since it was supposed to be completed in 2006. It's like Alice in Wonderland: jam tomorrow, and jam yesterday, but never jam today.
     
     
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Oh, and yay hoooray for Zipcars! (or any reasonable facsimile).

Although, given that it's Saskatoon, we'll probably get smartcars for 87.50 a half hour....
     
     
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Here's a story that seemed to be missed here from Saturday. Although I really like what I've seen of the Lake Placid proposal and would quite like to see it happen, the accessibility of the plaza has always seemed a bit lacking and this seems to confirm it.

As a note my inital concern was not just from a parent with stroller or wheelchair accessible perspective, but more the concern that it will seem isolated from the rest of the river landing, and I think the fact that a parent with a stroller can't easily wander into the plaza re-enforces my concern that it won't be nearly as public of a space as was hoped. It's really too bad.


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Building ramps deemed impractical, might attract skateboarders: developer



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The public plaza of River Landing's centrepiece will have outdoor access to able-bodied persons only.

Georgie Davis, who gets around in a wheelchair, said she was startled to learn she will have to ride one of two elevators inside the planned Urban Village to get to the raised plaza in the centre.

Four sets of outdoor steps are designed leading from the street to the plaza, but they don't include ramps for persons with disabilities, cyclists or parents with strollers.

"I just thought they were taking a step backwards," Davis said. "In this day and age, you would think (barrier-free) universal design would be a given, not a second thought. I believe it's a form of segregation."

A report from the City of Saskatoon's community services department notes traffic with bikes, strollers, wheelchairs and walkers will have to use elevators in the hotel and residential tower to get to the plaza, which will include a public skating rink/reflecting pool. The Urban Village design complies with provincial barrier-free standards, said Tim Steuart, the city's manager of development review.

The hotel, residential, office and retail project is up for its final approval from city council Sept. 15 before it receives development permits.

The site bounded by 19th Street, Second and Third avenues and Spadina Crescent, is owned by Calgary developer Lake Placid River Landing Inc.

Project manager Genevieve Giguere of S2 Architecture says ramps are impractical and would stretch as long as 75 metres to ensure the grade is safe to the second-storey plaza.

"That would take up most of the length around the building and basically eliminate access to any retail along streetfront," she said from Calgary. Such a "concrete corral" would also attract skateboarders, she said.

Cyclists could carry their bikes up the steps or use the public elevators to get to the plaza, she said.

The plaza is raised to enclose parking and loading areas, Steuart said.

Davis said she doesn't accept the explanation for the lack of ramps. "To me, excuses are excuses. I don't think there's any logical reason why they couldn't have made this accessible to everyone without segregating a portion of the population off to two elevators."

The elevators are likely to be busy at times, which would make it more difficult for wheelchairs to get to the plaza, she said. The city requires the elevators to be available to the public whenever the plaza is open.

Davis said she's hoping changes are made before the project gets its final approval. Otherwise, she said, she'll consider a complaint to the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission.

Coun. Bob Pringle voiced concern about access to the plaza as early as a year ago, but said he's resigned to the project getting approval.

"Nobody's going to stand in the way of this being approved on council," he said. "I was assured the environmental design and access would be taken seriously and I don't think they have been. I wanted everyone to feel inclusiveness."

Access to the rest of River Landing is "wonderful," Davis said.

The city's report recommends the project be approved, subject to working out final details like landscaping and lighting.

The report calls the plaza "an excellent addition to the area" that would help River Landing to become a people place.

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Here's a story that seemed to be missed here from Saturday. Although I really like what I've seen of the Lake Placid proposal and would quite like to see it happen, the accessibility of the plaza has always seemed a bit lacking and this seems to confirm it.

As a note my inital concern was not just from a parent with stroller or wheelchair accessible perspective, but more the concern that it will seem isolated from the rest of the river landing, and I think the fact that a parent with a stroller can't easily wander into the plaza re-enforces my concern that it won't be nearly as public of a space as was hoped. It's really too bad.


Riverfront plaza access limited for disabled

Building ramps deemed impractical, might attract skateboarders: developer

It was posted in the Saskatoon River Landing - Lake Placid proposal thread, but worth repeating here.
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