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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 5:23 PM
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Nice! Can't wait to see all the action start.

The website should have the new renderings up soon. There is also some nice lighting features in the renderings that I hope make it through to reality.

I haven't heard anything new in office development, but I think there is still negotiations being made.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 7:32 PM
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Dude, take your frustrations out on the Star Phoenix. If they explained the significance of the shed, it would have been helpful. As written, it sounds like they want to save a old shed - which is what makes it funny.
Except that you quoted them to make fun of LS. I don't want to turn this into bickering, but this is a recuring theme here, and I have several times asked people to actually look at what she has said and done rather than take cheap shots at her. I have no personal interest in protecting her, but drive-by slams on people with different ideas is what kills innovation in this city and province.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 7:36 PM
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KG condos

I see them unloading a whole pile of stone facing outside the old KG. Looks expensive. If it is for the outside, the building may actually live up to the developer's claims.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 7:38 PM
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Except that you quoted them to make fun of LS. I don't want to turn this into bickering, but this is a recuring theme here, and I have several times asked people to actually look at what she has said and done rather than take cheap shots at her. I have no personal interest in protecting her, but drive-by slams on people with different ideas is what kills innovation in this city and province.
The world has the Pyramids, The Statue of Liberty, The Empire State Building, The CN Tower, The Opera House in Sydney, The Sistine Chapel, The Leaning tower of Piza, Big Ben, Buckingham Palace, etc... and the Shed in Victoria Park.

Can someone please post a picture of this magnificent piece of architecture so I can make fun of it some more
     
     
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maybe if this gardener was this important to the city it would be a better tribute to put up a statue of this man and for the heritage society to push for this instead. The trees in Saskatoon are an important part of of the fabric of this city.
     
     
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It certainly would be easier to demolish it. I'm all for it.

The trees themselves are the monument.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 9:24 PM
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hmm, as much as the heritage society has a habit of choosing loosing battles, the sentiment about thinking/reading up before making fun of swystun does make a fair bit of sense as there is community garden planned to be built right next to the shed AND there is to be a shed built in conjunction with it...sooooo, it might make sense to salvage a small piece of history and save on the cost of constructing a new shed and then everyone wins.......except if you want to make fun of the heritage society, then it's a touch harder to do.

Sorry if this is a touch sarcastic, but it is funny how the fellow defending swystun was jumped on so quickly, as is the heritage society/swystun.
     
     
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Except that you quoted them to make fun of LS. ......I have no personal interest in protecting her, but drive-by slams on people with different ideas is what kills innovation in this city and province.
Drive-by slams? Easy now, I never once took a shot at LS, all I did was quote the article and say I had a good laugh. You guys should write a letter to the Star Phoenix if you feel so strongly about this...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2008, 11:14 PM
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Drive-by slams? Easy now, I never once took a shot at LS, all I did was quote the article and say I had a good laugh. You guys should write a letter to the Star Phoenix if you feel so strongly about this...
I'll still continue to bash her. She has no business wasting council's time. Furthermore, there is Heritage and then there is nonsense. Now the Gardener shed may have a slight bit of significance ... because it was the gardeners and what not and he planted all the trees ...but as it was noted earlier: "Squatters and animals are getting inside."

Now If I wanted a memorial, or monument or whatever in my name. I think it would be best suited NOT to be a SHACK where I used to work, that was left beyond repair where Bums and dogs routinely shat in.

Swystun had a point with the Gathercole centre even though I disagreed with her then. And now look what is happening instead....

If you really want to change Riversdale, you're gonna have to knock down a few buildings.

So the guy planted a few trees, that building doesn't make me appreciate that. The trees do.

So lets quit pissing around and knock the outhouse down.
     
     
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I think that L.S. is bitter with the city for not electing her to council. She would probable fit in better in P.A. or Siberia. The citizens of this city obviously don't want her on the council or she would of been elected. I don't have anything personal against her, but do find her very very annoying. That is my opinion, and don't really give a rats ass if this offends anyone here.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2008, 1:34 AM
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Sorry, Swilley, I did not mean to target you or anyone in particular, and I did not intend my wording to apply to your post. As noted by molases, I think my broader point was amply supported by the tone of the discussion which followed. Funny thing is, I don't really care about the shed, nor did I care about the Gathercole. Now back to architecture and planning. Anyway, I'll shut up now.
     
     
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now that we r done with the stupid agrument about a garden shed does anyone know what is the date for the final aproval for river landing village?

and for the kg i would like to know more about the exterior it is really bugging me that we have not seen any renderings of it yet
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now that we r done with the stupid agrument about a garden shed does anyone know what is the date for the final aproval for river landing village?
I was under the impression that this thing was approved already?
     
     
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It certainly would be easier to demolish it. I'm all for it.

The trees themselves are the monument.

IT'S A SHED. History is nice to have - the KG, Army & Navy bldg, Bess - but a SHED? Maybe all of this effort to save the shed could be better spent finding shelter for the homeless, or investing in Station 20 West - anything that actually provides tangible value to the people of Saskatoon. If the society wants to pay market value to purchase the property the shed is on - then they have my full support.
     
     
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I was under the impression that this thing was approved already?
Final approval of the design is all that's left, I believe. That should happen in the fall.
     
     
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Minor bit of news: Garden Architecture & Design has expanded their outdoor retail space into the vacant lot on the east side of Avenue B. I just noticed this recently and assume it occurred sometime this summer. IIRC, the lot was quite vacant and weedy as of this spring.

Anyway, it's a simple but pleasant improvement to the street. With a rumored condo across from there, potential development on the Barry site as well as recent street-scaping as part or RL II, Ave B could be well on its way to becoming a nice little stretch. I'm quite interested to see how it will transform as River Landing progresses and Riversdale improves.
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I've been thinking a lot lately about what types of ideas we might see presented for River Landing's "Destination Complex." There is the risk that we could end up with something that is very unoriginal and uninteresting that adds little or nothing to our city. It's imperative that whatever is built be a first not only for Saskatoon and the province, but for the country as well. I hope that innovative, outside-the-box thinking is employed when deciding what will eventually occupy that plot of dirt at River Landing.

In trying to figure out what might be suitable, I drew from my own interests to form a unique but probably unrealistic mini-proposal: a sort of "Film Museum." Such a museum would contain interactive exhibits documenting the history of film, the all-time greats, actors, actresses, directors, etc. There would be exhibits specific to Canadian, American and foreign films, art films, and the technical aspects of film-making. The museum would house theatres and screening rooms to premiere independent or limited release films as well as to play all-time classics for movie lovers years or decades after their release. The museum could also be a launch pad for an annual film festival here in Saskatoon and an incubator for growing the film industry in the province: nurturing fledgling filmmakers, providing workshops, studio space, funding, etc. No, this would not just be another cinema, but a union of exhibits, interactive displays, public and private space, workshops and special events/festivals.

Now you're probably wondering what Saskatoon has to do with the film industry? Well... nothing much. We're no Hollywood by any measure. But I hope this idea illustrates what we can come up with: an idea that refuses to play it "safe" culturally speaking, but borders on crazy and hopefully crazy enough to work. I'm not saying my "Film Museum" is the best idea, or even a good idea, but it is a big idea. And we definitely need to think big.

Do we want to just create something that simply fits in nicely within the culture already present here in Saskatoon? Yes and no. We also need to create something that expands our culture, helps create a new identity for our city and broadens our appeal nationally and internationally. And yes, that requires more than just building a science centre or local history museum, it requires thinking BIG: creating something that not only builds on what Saskatoon already is, but helps re-define what our city is to us, Canada, even the world.

Am I thinking TOO big? Probably. Is something so groundbreaking unlikely and unrealistic? Probably. But it is ideal. And it is nice to dream.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?
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I've been thinking a lot lately about what types of ideas we might see presented for River Landing's "Destination Complex." There is the risk that we could end up with something that is very unoriginal and uninteresting that adds little or nothing to our city. It's imperative that whatever is built be a first not only for Saskatoon and the province, but for the country as well. I hope that innovative, outside-the-box thinking is employed when deciding what will eventually occupy that plot of dirt at River Landing.
Although possible, that scenario depends how we define original and interesting, and of course, our expectations of a fully built and functioning public space on the river front.

Those are high expectations, like a $300 million dollar Human Rights Museum vision...that won't be happening for that piece of land, well, not to that scale at least.

However, if there's any city in Canada capable of erecting a signature public space directly adjacent to a busy freeway, Saskatoon would be the front runner...with some of those bigger cities nipping at our heels

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In trying to figure out what might be suitable, I drew from my own interests to form a unique but probably unrealistic mini-proposal: a sort of "Film Museum." Such a museum would contain interactive exhibits documenting the history of film, the all-time greats, actors, actresses, directors, etc. There would be exhibits specific to Canadian, American and foreign films, art films, and the technical aspects of film-making. The museum would house theatres and screening rooms to premiere independent or limited release films as well as to play all-time classics for movie lovers years or decades after their release. The museum could also be a launch pad for an annual film festival here in Saskatoon and an incubator for growing the film industry in the province: nurturing fledgling filmmakers, providing workshops, studio space, funding, etc. No, this would not just be another cinema, but a union of exhibits, interactive displays, public and private space, workshops and special events/festivals.
Very creative ideas, I could see something like that developing, seriously.

The City referenced the Abbotsford Cultural Centre Museum and Art Gallery in their Planning and Consultation Process.

The interior is very functional, and is ideally suited for your description of a "Film Museum".


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The design is not setting the bar higher, although perhaps is the case for Abbortsford (yeah, this coming from a Saskatonian, ha!). Same could be said for Saskatoon, we need cutting edge, that is...find a fresh architect right out of graduate school...or search Google, or other web forums for that unknown architect with an original design, and could be trusted to create a contextually specific structure for Saskatoon (design can be both contextually appropriate for it's place, while still being cutting edge architecturally).


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Now you're probably wondering what Saskatoon has to do with the film industry? Well... nothing much. We're no Hollywood by any measure. But I hope this idea illustrates what we can come up with: an idea that refuses to play it "safe" culturally speaking, but borders on crazy and hopefully crazy enough to work. I'm not saying my "Film Museum" is the best idea, or even a good idea, but it is a big idea. And we definitely need to think big.
I agree, safe is bad, crazy is good...we're steppin' out in a big way, and this public project could add some flavor to our steppin' out attitude.

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Do we want to just create something that simply fits in nicely within the culture already present here in Saskatoon? Yes and no. We also need to create something that expands our culture, helps create a new identity for our city and broadens our appeal nationally and internationally. And yes, that requires more than just building a science centre or local history museum, it requires thinking BIG: creating something that not only builds on what Saskatoon already is, but helps re-define what our city is to us, Canada, even the world.
Isolated prairie city, where winters are dark and debilitating, but our culture, our determination, our spirit, our curiosity for the world, it nourishes us, and we thoroughly enjoy it each day, we live for culture...the culture of the world.

^^^ Just thinking big ideas out loud, it's fun

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Am I thinking TOO big? Probably. Is something so groundbreaking unlikely and unrealistic? Probably. But it is ideal. And it is nice to dream.

Thoughts? Comments? Ideas?
Thinking big is great, however, the steering committee has a set of criteria to adhere to, so our big ideas can only go so far before they are put to rest. (Criteria for Planning and Consultation Process ).

For the genuinely big ideas, hopefully we'll get to be a part of them.

Further comments? Thoughts? Design ideas? Dreams?

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Remember during the 90s, when Mayor Atchison was a city councilor he proposed a dome over downtown, or at least 2nd Avenue...I imagine he had visions similar to the following:

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Okay, to wrap up this crazy day filled with pictures and renderings and crane records. Here is my share.









TD Square Renovations.


Looking West towards the new Holt from the Food Court level.


Looking East towards Dome Towers from Food Court level.


Looking East towards TD and Dome Towers along the promenade from the second floor.


Looking east towards Dome/Home Oil tower from the third floor. Existing escalators to be removed and new ones to be installed at various strategic locations. Scope of work is from after the double bridges from Scotia Center to the Sears/Holt Store. +15 corridor will turn alongside the Holt store to be connected to EAP's winter garden, retail mall and food vendors.


Contractor is once again Ellisdon who are doing almost everything major in this city.
Architects is MMC Architecture.
Now I'm not particularly found of glass enclosed indoor shopping (unless it's winter), but the above project has a welcome transparency to it, sunlight is so nice.
     
     
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Third Avenue due for makeover
City considers installing median, changing parking
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Tuesday, August 19, 2008

With power poles outnumbering trees on some blocks, Third Avenue is an incongruous strip from Saskatoon's past in a downtown streetscape dotted with planters and pedestrian-friendly sidewalks.

Discussions are underway at city hall about how to bring Third Avenue into the 21st century by burying power lines and making the street more inviting to pedestrians and business.

A UMA Engineering report for the city recommends keeping parallel over angle parking and installing a centre median and dedicated turning lanes.

Intersections would have bulbed corners, making them attractive places for pedestrians to relax and a shorter way to cross the street.

The report recommends keeping parallel parking, even though angle parking would create another 180 spaces between 19th and 25th streets. The median would have trees, planters and turning bays, similar to 25th Street, said John Penner, acting urban design manager. Shade trees would be planted in the sidewalk. Two lanes of traffic, plus the turn bays, would travel in each direction instead of the current configuration of three lanes each way.

Angle parking would create more spots, but it's impractical because Third is Saskatoon Transit's major north-south artery downtown, Penner said.

Buses don't run down Second Avenue because motorists back out of parking spaces into traffic.

"In order to improve transit service, you have to keep them on schedule," Penner said. "If you have cars backing up, it would considerably slow down that whole corridor."

But Terry Scaddan, executive director of the Downtown Partnership, says the city should take a fresh look at its options to accommodate buses and pedestrians and to squeeze in more parking.

"A little creativity is needed," he told the planning and operations committee recently. By scrapping plans for a median, Third could fit four lanes of traffic, bulbed corners and back-in angle parking spaces, Scaddan said. If motorists back into spots, they can pull out of them with better visibility of buses and cyclists, he said.

The city's urban design planners are researching Scaddan's idea before reporting back to the committee with a recommendation on the street's design.

The six-block makeover, estimated to cost at least $6 million, would be proposed in the 2009 capital budget. If the city discovers water and sewer lines need replacement, the project would likely be delayed, Penner said.

Funds would come from reserves and a dedicated fund taking 25 cents from every $1.75 of meter revenues from 2009-12.

Brian Bain, co-owner of Koutouki Taverna, looks forward to a more appealing streetscape.

"Second is so much more inviting than Third with the greenery, the lights," he said. "(It has) a market-type feel. Right now (Third) has more of an industrial feel."

City staff collected data on parking and concluded that overall, Third Avenue doesn't have congestion issues, although the 100 and 200 blocks generate some concern.

But some merchants say parking is the biggest issue in revamping Third Avenue.

"(It's) sometimes hard to find parking here. Very hard," said Vins Giang, owner of Thien Vietnam Restaurant in the 100 block. "The customers complain a lot."

White Orchid Weddings manager Abbey Finestone grew up in Kelowna, where buses successfully navigate angle-parking streets downtown.

"I'm sure (bus drivers) can adjust. It's no fun having to tote a 10- or 15-pound wedding dress three blocks because you can't find a parking spot."

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