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It would be awesome to see something like that happen!
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I've always wished the CN Tower in Midtown Mall would get covered in glass. It would really look nice with blue or green glass.
     
     
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Looks fantastic! In the original riverlanding development plan wasn't there supposed to be an approx. 18 story condo beside the exit ramp off of the senator sid buck. bridge which leads to idylwyld or in the airphoto just above # 19? Has anything ever materialized with this?
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Looks fantastic! In the original riverlanding development plan wasn't there supposed to be an approx. 18 story condo beside the exit ramp off of the senator sid buck. bridge which leads to idylwyld or in the airphoto just above # 19? Has anything ever materialized with this?
Correct you are...oh, the RL website says fourteen storey....and a few other things as well, some of it can/may have changed.


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You could probably add a few more residential high-rises in the north.. oh yeah, and another office tower on the corner of 22nd and 3rd
     
     
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You could probably add a few more residential high-rises in the north.. oh yeah, and another office tower on the corner of 22nd and 3rd
Definitely the north, 2nd Avenue needs more life around the Brewery/Earl's area

I was also thinking about creating something in Riversdale, the area bordering Idylwyld and 22nd street...as suggested by a City of Saskatoon document.

Also might try to develop the U of S agriculture lands...it'll be a fun challenge to tie everything together.

     
     
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I can really see west of idylwyld developing quite rapidly near or after the riverlanding's completion. This area has massive potential to really reinforce the development of the south downtown as well as secure the redevelopment of the core neighbourhoods. Some condo's in the north will most likely pop up along with this redevelopment. The north will probably get a bit of a revival; some old early 1900's apartments turned into lofts, character homes revived and rundown holes demolished to make way for some high density development. I feel that Earls really is the end of the north downtown area and that development will occur to really reinforce the north end. It would be nice to see more nightclubs, lounges, patios etc go up d/t to really beef up the night life. A true healthy d/t doesn't exist unless there is nightlife. At about 1am on a Saturday d/t is virtually dead which isn't a good sign but lets look and hope that excellent developments occur in the soon to be future!
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I noticed today that the south facing addition to the Rumley is u/c. The frame of the addition is 1 or 2 floors high at the moment.
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Has anything happened with the gathercole arches that are to be placed on 2nd ave yet?
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Has anything happened with the gathercole arches that are to be placed on 2nd ave yet?
I was down there today, didn't see any preparation work for them. There were crews laying paving stones to complete 2nd Ave between Clinkskill and Persephone; also saw some crews clearing debris from Lake Placid's site.
     
     
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They aren't going to put up the arches until the Lake Placid development is over. Too risky, with contruction and all.

I think what Saskatoon needs in a defined downtown. Our current downtown is to spread out, it bleeds out into other neighborhoods. A set area of high density means that developers aren't afraid to build there. But with 19th being fixed, and 25th being taken through the yards, it would (hopefuly) create a box of, 1st Ave. to 4th Ave. and 19th to 25th!
     
     
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An opinion piece from SP's Gerry Klein.

End of car culture will shape cities
Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, August 07, 2008

In a recent interview in the Washington Post, United States Transportation Secretary Mary Peters suggested Americans had "passed the tipping point." No longer would the nation take cheap energy as a state of being.

Not only in the U.S. but in much of the world -- and especially Canada -- that notion of unlimited and inexpensive supplies of energy have driven our economic development and lifestyles. This, even though we have long recognized the inability of the planet to sustain those lifestyles.

Despite warnings meted out by various think tanks and government agencies that the age of cheap oil eventually would come to an end, the mass production of the automobile laid a foundation for the North American economy.

Cities were designed with cheap individual transportation in mind, and tax regimes were put in place to reinforce these choices. For three decades, for example, property taxes in Saskatoon were such that a downtown building was assessed at an amount equivalent to 100 per cent of its value every couple of years, while malls in suburbia paid so much less in taxes that they could (and were required to) include acres of parking to accommodate the traffic from a population encouraged to build large houses on large yards at great distances from where the people worked.

Governments built roads and bridges to accommodate commuting, and when these clogged up with too many cars, they built more roads and bridges. This allowed developers to build homes ever further from employment centres. And when these areas filled up, they would build even further out, with the governments connecting these disparate areas with ever more roads and bridges.

Spurred on by tax incentives and cheap credit, the trend continued until, if Peters is to be believed, it reached the current economic crunch. If she is correct (it's worth remembering that the era of suburban boom has been called dead more than once already), by the time the end came, 52 per cent of all Americans lived in the suburbs. Canadians, who are more urbanized than their American cousins and whose cities are newer in comparison, no doubt have an even larger percentage living in the suburbs.

Although Peters suggests that the tipping point came as the price of gas in the U.S. topped $4 a gallon, it is more complicated than that.

In the late 1970s, at the height of the last major energy crisis, governments were encouraging conservation, adopting programs to reduce highway speeds and paying to insulate homes.

But even though the price of gasoline then was higher than today when considered as a percentage of people's disposable money, there were only half-hearted attempts to accomplish structural changes because it was recognized the high costs were a political blimp.

This time, however, there appear to be early signs that people really believe a fundamental shift has taken place. Although real estate prices have dropped in the U.S. and elsewhere, that decline hasn't been universal. According to a report published this week in the Washington Post, prices have fallen the most and fastest in neighbourhoods that are farthest away from employment sites.

Part of that, as Peters suggests, is because the price of gas is high. In an unstable economic environment, people who are looking for new homes are more attracted to smaller abodes near transit terminals or close to where they work, so they can cut costs. But the shift is also happening because people recognize that a fundamental change is taking place.

One need look no further than the spectacular display underway in China.

A few years ago, I was talking to a group from the University of Saskatchewan sociology department, who had close connections to colleagues in China. They told me then the Asian country was undergoing structural change that would impact on the world. Given the relatively rapid rise of a huge middle class there today, it is hard to imaging the world reverting to its old habits as it did in the aftermath of the 1970s' energy crisis.

Year on year, China becomes less dependent on the West for its prosperity. Domestic demand for consumer goods and a better life is driving up inflation in the country, causing western capitalists to look elsewhere in order to control their manufacturing costs through the use of cheap labour.

The Association of German Engineers estimates that one in five of the approximately 1,600 German companies with a presence in China is planning to pull out because Chinese labour costs are too high. In fact, Chinese manufacturers are now casting about for cheap labour in other parts of Asia.

This means that, while the price of commodities such as oil, food and minerals might level out, they aren't likely to drop to the levels they were in the 1990s. That's good news for commodity-rich Saskatchewan, but it is likely to lead to drastic changes in the way people live.

It's worth noting that Forbes Magazine recently published its list of America's 10 most rapidly dying cities. Centres that are dependent on the production of the automobile are disproportionately represented. Even with alternative energy supplies, it is unlikely the car will ever regain its dominance of America. And without the car, a suburban lifestyle becomes much more challenging.

Saskatoon is lucky enough that it hasn't stretched too far into its surrounding area. It also has had a council determined to foster residential growth in the city's core. This trend must be encouraged not only by the municipality but by higher levels of government that attach a premium to those who would build and develop residences at a distance and hope for highways to connect them to their jobs.

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Also appearing in today's SP, an opinion courtesy of Winnipeg journalist Kaj Hasselriis.

Time to make train service priority
Kaj Hasselriis, Special to The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, August 07, 2008

The following is the viewpoint of the writer, a journalist based in Winnipeg.

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Saskatoon is about to play host this weekend to visitors from around the world as one of its favourite daughters prepares to tie the knot.

Piya Chattopadhyay, the popular CBC Radio journalist who served as a gala guest speaker at the city's centennial a couple of years ago, is marrying Peter Armstrong, CBC-TV's Middle East correspondent.

As a guest, my challenge is to figure out how to get to Saskatoon from my hometown of Winnipeg. Since Piya and I bonded as friends while travelling together by train through India and South America, it seemed appropriate to investigate going to the wedding using Via Rail.

Considering the insane cost of gas, the country's current obsession with going green and my own recent decision to sell my car, the train option also seemed like an appropriate mode of transport for the times.

That's when I discovered that, unlike in the busy Quebec-Windsor corridor, Via service across Western Canada is hardly a feasible option.

Canada's publicly owned passenger train only runs through the West three times a week, at shockingly inconvenient times.

The first available train after the wedding doesn't leave until 1:10 a.m. on Tuesday morning. In other words, I have no choice but to hang around Saskatoon for 36 hours after Piya and Peter's Sunday morning brunch (fortunately I'm a big fan of the Fringe). I'm lucky that Piya and Peter aren't getting married in Regina or Calgary. Via doesn't even stop in those cities.

Last fall, the Harper government, which already subsidizes Via Rail to the tune of $170 million a year, announced an extra $700 million investment in the Crown Corporation, to get our aging fleet of locomotives running on time.

During the first three months of this year, 46 per cent of Via's trains arrived late. Still, Via's passenger numbers are growing, by 300,000 last year and probably more this year, thanks to our new economic and environmental realities. As politicians jostle to outdo each other on the green file, it would seem wise for them to consider getting more ambitious with Via Rail.

We're finally starting to take urban transit more seriously. Why not inter-city transit, too? The Europeans, not to mention the Indians, figured out its benefits decades ago. And over the years, many voices in Canada have been saying the same thing.

Last fall, consulting engineer Andre Gravelle prepared a report for Via's board of directors that said: "The merits of high-speed passenger rail have been clearly established. The question is not to ask whether it is worth government support, but rather where it stands with respect to competing mega-projects in the priority list of decision-makers. More studies are of no use in this regard."

It's worth noting Gravelle's confidence that, if Via were to significantly improve its service schedule and speed, the Crown Corporation could steal up to one-third of Canada's airline passengers (a figure that hasn't gone unnoticed by the airline industry, which lobbies heavily against further federal subsidies for Via Rail).

Last month, one of the men who controls the purse strings of our passenger train service, Treasury Board President Vic Toews, travelled to a small town in southern Manitoba to unveil a plaque commemorating Western Canada's first railway. Standing in Dominion City, Toews pointed out the railway's 19th century success in bringing immigrants and manufactured goods out west, while delivering western grain out east.

"The completion of this important rail line in 1878 heralded the era of railways in the Canadian West and represented Canada's commitment to connecting the West and East," he said.

All I want to do this weekend is to make a train connection from Winnipeg to Saskatoon. The challenge for Canadian leaders is to make the connection between our desire to travel from city to city quickly, efficiently and environmentally, and then make it a reality.

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Hmmm, I wonder why the government is reluctant to fund infrastructure ($22.5 million) for a hog plant. Is it because the project is tied to a declining Saskatchewan industry (so I've heard), or is the government simply unwilling to provide funds for this type of infrastructure (IIRC, large portion is for upgrades to the trunk sewer system to handle the increase water and wastewater demands tied to a processing plant).

Meanwhile, we'll keep shipping hogs to Alberta and Manitoba...curious to know what incentives and subsidies (if any) were for available for Maple Leaf and other industry players when they chose to locate in those provinces.

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Fishing Lake First Nation says proposed Saskatoon plant depends on infrastructure deal
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, August 07, 2008

The Saskatchewan Party government won't pay for infrastructure to service a Saskatoon hog plant proposed by Fishing Lake First Nation, funds proponents say are pivotal to building the facility.

First Nations and Metis Relations Minister June Draude, reached in B.C. where she's attending the North American Indigenous Games, said the province won't pay for infrastructure but is willing to pay for worker skills training.

"That would be the main contribution," she said. "We would ensure the utilities are available, but as far as paying for them, it's not something our government would be looking at."

Fishing Lake First Nation consultant Jim Ramsay said in an interview plans for the $100-million hog slaughter plant in Saskatoon hinge on an infrastructure commitment. The proponents want a commitment similar to one granted by the former NDP government to Maple Leaf, which later backed out of plans for a new slaughter plant in the city.

The next critical step in building the plant will be selling shares in a limited partnership to hog farmers and First Nations.

"Right now, that all rests on trying to nail down what Saskatchewan is prepared to do on infrastructure," Ramsay said.

The previous government had committed grants totalling $22.5 million to Maple Leaf for its planned slaughter plant. Maple Leaf later abandoned its plans and didn't get the funds.

"We think we should be treated equitably with other companies from outside Saskatchewan," Ramsay said. "We're hoping we get fair and equitable treatment."

It's not clear how much a provincial commitment for skills training would amount to. Draude said the government is still awaiting a detailed financial plan from the hog plant group. The province is willing to create a training program geared specifically for the hog industry, she said.

"We don't provide grants to any business. We aren't interested in subsidizing," Draude said.

Ramsay would not identify the other bands interested in a stake in the plant, but said they're based in Saskatchewan and Alberta. He said he can't finalize a budget to build the plant until the province indicates how much it will contribute.

Talks with the city on buying 65 acres in the north industrial area are "95 per cent complete," Ramsay said. He added with a strong commitment from the Sask. Party government, early stages of construction could begin this fall.

City of Saskatoon's land branch manager Rick Howse said the city hasn't talked with the hog plant group for several months. The site it's interested in is still available to any industrial user willing to pay market price, he said.

The plant would be built on fully serviced land south of 71st Street between Millar Avenue and the CNR tracks -- the same site on which Maple Leaf had planned to build.

The Canadian hog industry has been rocked in the last year by the soaring loonie and rising feed prices, along with low market prices for pork.

Those struggles have forced producers to put money they might have invested in the plant into their own operations, Ramsay said.

"That's the only deterrent at this time," Ramsay said. "We don't think it's a big enough problem to slow or stop our project."

Neil Ketilson, general manager of the industry association Sask Pork, doubts large hog producers will have the funds to invest in the plant. Big producers are at a financial disadvantage because they've been capped for assistance under federal-provincial programs, Ketilson said.

Big Sky Farms of Humboldt helped pay for a business plan for the hog plant, but officials have not returned messages from The StarPhoenix about whether they continue to be involved.

"For them to finance this thing is going to be a challenge right now," Ketilson said. "But I think the producers out there take a long-term view and so I don't think it will be impossible (to raise funds), that's for sure."

The long view is the need to save transportation costs, which currently stand at $6-$12 per head to truck pigs to Red Deer or Brandon packers.

Both Draude and Ramsay said they are not interested in the province taking equity in the plant.

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The transit news is fantastic! It's really quite exciting to see the automobile/suburbia era dieing off. I'd really love to see Canada's train system beefed up. I really feel connections from Saskatoon to Regina and Calgary would be very beneficial. As well making them high speed trains would be amazing. I always pictured Canada as a more train/airplane oriented country rather then super highway/auto oriented. Maybe federal funding into the rail will spur provincial and civic funding injections into urban rail systems! It's also good to hear that the city of Saskatoon is pressuring for more core redevelopment then suburban development - articles like these will really help reinforce their decision to do this!
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I'm not sure if the new issue has come out but if it hasn't the new Saskatoon-home magazine is out and has heeps of promising sustainable development options for the city and it looks like it is slowly catching on! Quick question, would their be a way to develop an acorn light that doesn't have light pollution? I feel this is one of the most aesthetically pleasing designs and really gives d/t Saskatoon a unique character.

http://www.saskatoon-home.com/summer08/index.php
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I'm not sure if the new issue has come out but if it hasn't the new Saskatoon-home magazine is out and has heeps of promising sustainable development options for the city and it looks like it is slowly catching on! Quick question, would their be a way to develop an acorn light that doesn't have light pollution? I feel this is one of the most aesthetically pleasing designs and really gives d/t Saskatoon a unique character.

http://www.saskatoon-home.com/summer08/index.php
Some great local focused articles in the Saskatoon Home magazine, thanks for sharing.
     
     
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Lake Placid updated the website www.lakeplacidsaskatoon.com
No new renderings yet, but they should be coming soon I'd expect.
     
     
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Any new updates on Saskatoon's planned LRT for the future? Obviously Saskatoons current population doesn't merit such a system, but I've read that there are plans to implement LRT once the population hits about 400K or 500K. I'm curious to know how the city is going to deal with rapid transit in the future.
     
     
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Things are looking promising with riverlanding, hopefully this will motivate and inspire other developers to do similar developments throughout the city! As far as I know and from what I understand the city is currently securing existing rails to ensure efficient routes as well this will help cut costs. I'm not quite sure but I think the city is pushing for more dense developments and more core redevelopment to increase the population density so a train can be built with a smaller population.
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