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Old Posted Jul 30, 2008, 9:36 PM
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Not yet, we won't have anything for looking at until after the neighbourhood meeting/consultation.

So folks, how tall do you think a building on that site should be?

Tough call; I'd like to say 6 or 7 to narrow the footprint and allow for more multi-use development around it, but realistically I think something like 4 stories would probably be the maximum anyone would want there. I say this taking into account the existing streetscape and architecture, as well as not wanting to shadow the church's place in the skyline.

I must say, for an in-fill project like this, I'm more concerned with design than height. I'd rather have a very nice [or dare I say, innovative] 3 story building than a bland 6 story box.
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Is anyone planning on presenting in favour of IOL's land swap at the city's public meeting?

I would if my employer didn't have a professional relationship with the project.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2008, 12:32 AM
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Tough call; I'd like to say 6 or 7 to narrow the footprint and allow for more multi-use development around it, but realistically I think something like 4 stories would probably be the maximum anyone would want there. I say this taking into account the existing streetscape and architecture, as well as not wanting to shadow the church's place in the skyline.

I must say, for an in-fill project like this, I'm more concerned with design than height. I'd rather have a very nice [or dare I say, innovative] 3 story building than a bland 6 story box.
Cool. I am confident in the architect on this project - so we'll hopefully see a great looking project.
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2008, 12:42 AM
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I am presenting through my work, not as an individual. Well actually I'm not the one talking, but I'm writing the presentation
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SAINT JOHN - Port authority board chairman Stephen Campbell is at a loss to understand how it is that the organization couldn't get a one-on-one meeting with Mayor Ivan Court to discuss Irving Oil's proposal to build its $30-million corporate headquarters on Long Wharf.

In fact, he says he did not receive any response after making a formal request for a meeting through the mayor's office.

Instead, says Campbell, a meeting with the mayor was organized by Pat Riley, the business agent for International Longshoremen's Association, Local 273, a union that backs Court politically.

In the end, two members of the port's board of directors - Campbell and vice-chairman Arthur T. Doyle - did meet with the mayor, but with Riley and Saint John Lancaster MLA Abel LeBlanc in attendance. LeBlanc is a longtime friend of Court's and has spent more than 40 years working at the Port of Saint John, including 18 years as an executive officer and 16 as president of Local 273.

The port authority first tried to get a meeting with Court after the May election, through formal channels, Campbell writes in briefing notes to a number of Saint John economic development agencies, port officials and local businesses that were obtained by the Telegraph-Journal.

"This was refused on the basis that he did not want to hold any meetings until he was sworn in, which we accepted," says Campbell in the notes. "We later learned he was having meetings with a number of other parties. After his swearing in, we continued to be unsuccessful arranging a one-on-one courtesy meeting through the mayor's office. The vice-chair and I were contacted and informed by Pat Riley, business agent for the ILA, that we could meet with the mayor and that he and Abel LeBlanc would be in attendance.

"I find it very disturbing that the port authority could not arrange a one-on-one meeting with our new mayor without the participation of a special interest group," writes Campbell.

"We would have preferred a formal response from the mayor's office and we would have preferred to have a one-on-one with the mayor - as we've always been able to do - without a private interest group," he said in an interview. "We never received a letter, e-mail or anything from his office."

In the end, the meeting that was held by the five men did not go well, Campbell has said, with the mayor making it clear he is not supportive of Irving Oil's Long Wharf proposal.

Court has responded by saying he has not made up his mind and simply wants the best deal for the city. Looking purely at the revenue side, Court has said, the port authority would make more cash using Long Wharf as a parking lot. He also says he fears he'll be going to Ottawa to fight for money to fix piers on the western side of the harbour at the same time he's looking for federal cash to bring the city's drinking-water system up to par and adds he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the Long Wharf proposal and has questions about whether the city is receiving "fair-market value" for the Lantic Sugar site.

Before the deal can go forward, the city must agree to sell the former sugar refining site to Irving Oil. That's where the city's involvement in the proposal ends. After that, it's up to the port authority and the federal government to work it out.

Court denies that a request for a meeting came from the port board, but says he did try to reach port CEO Al Soppitt.

"I tried for two or three days to get a hold of Al Soppitt to sit down with Al Soppitt. I never refused to meet with Mr. Campbell or anybody else. The bottom line was I said we should have all parties sitting at the table at the same time.

"I said to the city manager, 'We should get these people together and find out where they're coming from.'

"They were arranging it through, if I remember correctly, Pat Riley.

"He had called and I said, 'I'm willing to sit down with you guys and I think it's important that you both sit at the same table because I don't want to hear one side of the story and then have somebody else tell me something different.'

"I think he invited Abel to come along. Steve brought Mr. Doyle. I never refused to meet with Mr. Campbell or anybody else."

Riley insists that Campbell came to him to arrange the meeting with the mayor; he called him three times, says Riley.

For his part, LeBlanc makes no bones about his affinity to the port.

He knows his strong port ties are why Riley invited him to the meeting.

"It's been a good community to me," says LeBlanc.

"I met a whole new bunch of people by representing the longshoremen. I've been all over North America with these people. I feel a loyalty to the people who are still working the port, both in management and in labour. Pat consulted with me because of my background in the port and the years I worked there."

Post-Secondary Education, Labour and Training Minister Ed Doherty, the Saint John Harbour MLA whose riding encompasses the port, was not invited, nor was Saint John MP Paul Zed, said LeBlanc, who says he has received only two telephone calls about Irving Oil's Long Wharf proposal - one for and one against.

If the deal goes through, Irving Oil promises improvements to Long Wharf and the nearby Fort La Tour site, as well as a world-class second cruise ship welcome centre to complement one that is nearing completion at the former Pugsley Terminal on the uptown side of the harbour. The Irving Oil headquarters at Long Wharf would also concentrate 1,000 employees downtown.

The ILA is the only group opposed to the Irving Oil proposal. The port authority, Enterprise Saint John, the Saint John Board of Trade, entrepreneurs in the city, the Saint John Waterfront Development Partnership and city manager Terry Totten have all embraced the proposal as a "win-win" for the city.

Totten has said the proposal will have a "significant effect" on municipal tax revenues, adding perhaps as much as $2 million annually to city coffers. The city currently receives an annual grant from the port authority of $44,000 in lieu of taxes for the property.
I'm getting more than a little worried. Can Court actually ruin this deal for the city? As mayor, can he really be that negligent and biased? Is there anything that can be done to stop him before the deal is lost? I know next to nothing about municipal politics but I think he needs to be impeached...or something...
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2008, 1:34 AM
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I'm getting more than a little worried. Can Court actually ruin this deal for the city? As mayor, can he really be that negligent and biased? Is there anything that can be done to stop him before the deal is lost? I know next to nothing about municipal politics but I think he needs to be impeached...or something...
All that needs to happen is for 6 councillors to be convinced. If 6 vote yes, then Ivan doesn't even get to vote.

I have emailed my ward councillors and the councillors at large.

Also, if you are the speaking type - sign up to present and explain why you as a citizen want this.
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Any ideas on what big project Cyr Holdings may have in mind for Saint John?



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I hope it doesn't look anything like this!!!

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2008, 11:49 AM
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I hope it doesn't look anything like this!!!

You can say that again!

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Also, this Long Wharf business is getting waaaaaaaay out of hand. We now have the Deputy Mayor saying he's been targeted by the unions? Enough is enough, it's just an office building.
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I hope it doesn't look anything like this!!!

Say what you will about Chateau Moncton but it's certainly eyecatching.

I hear that his new hotel in SJ is going to look similar; except only taller! .
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I would like 5 stories for the development but it would have take up a significant amount of the parking lot. I am hoping it would have a better roof than leinster (and once again no crappy back wall). I do believe that it would be a great addition to the neighborhood and it would clean up the south end more. I Hope it has a bit more design than lienster ct simply for the fact I would not like to see similar buildings all over and it would become a bit redundant. If you could let us know when the meeting is for public consultation I would love to attend.
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Maybe he's just referring to his new hotel that has already been approved, but we haven't seen any rendering for yet (the one at the old church site, I apologise for forgetting its name, St. Paul's was it?). I could see that counting as an "announcement" seeing as how I bet few people outside of those like us even know it is going to be built.
you're right...for whatever reason, this structure has been somewhat shrouded in secrecy....a friend of mine in the immediate vicinity wasn't even sure what was going up on the site....it seems a little strange they keep putting off the announcement....
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from the nerws889.com site

City Receives Thirty Requests For Presentations On Future Of Long Wharf
August 01, by
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SAINT JOHN, NB - The City of Saint John has received lots of input, about thirty requests for presentations on the future of Long Wharf.

The special common council meeting August 11th is expected to be a lengthy session and could possibly take two nights.

Local jeweller, Wayne Smith is hoping to reveal the results of his special plebiscite at that meeting.

He says, "People need to hear from the silent majority."

Smith is asking people to fill out ballots saying whether they are for or against the deal.

There will then be a random draw and the winner will receive a 10-thousand-dollar diamond ring.


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Announcement On Digby Ferry Funding Expected Today



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was just browsing around the net and found a link to some of the renovations the sj theatre co. is making to their new home on princess street...i've been very curious since they started what the final product would look like...looks like it will be a nice addition to the changing face of the area...



1st link shows how the building looked from princess st. before they started..

2nd link - some recent updated photos from the interior & exterior. . . very impressive, imo...



http://www.saintjohntheatrecompany.com/Setting%20the%20Stage.htm


http://www.saintjohntheatrecompany.com/Most%20Recent%20Building%20Update.htm
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Say what you will about Chateau Moncton but it's certainly eyecatching.

I hear that his new hotel in SJ is going to look similar; except only taller! .
Like this....



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^

lmao. . . . looks like one of those new hybrid hotel / intercontinental ballistic missile jobbies. . .
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Like this....



Hahahahahaha it looks like somebody put a hat on that 8 story apartment building in the North End near the Rifle Range...
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Interesting articles in the Telegraph Journal today (i can't access the site currently, so apologies for no links...)

- well written editorial / opinion piece by the president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy in support of the Irving Long Wharf project
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Like this....



At this rate, it might be a good thing that the hotel might not show up as part of the main Uptown skyline.
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