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I met with the new commissioner of planning the other day and he seemed enthusiastic about doing things in this city to reduce the sprawl and increase density in the Uptown through North End corridor, including trying to focus on in-fill development. The planning department has been extremely busy, with almost double the development proposals going through PACs than the average number they had in the last couple years.

Some exciting stuff is - and will continue to be - going on in the city, and its just a matter of getting the public and the special interest groups to buy into modern practices and to get comfortable about the idea of higher density developments. It is, however, unfortunate that our Mayor seems to be one of those who need convincing...
In the theme of density, the Church of St. Andrew and St. David is proposing to build a high density mixed-income development at the corner of Duke and Charlotte. We will be having a community consultation soon, and hope that the public buys into the idea of a quality project that will bring density to the current parking lot.

One has to cross their fingers though when you're in a heritage zone; even though density may have been the order of the day in the past, with elevators and modern building techniques we can now fit more people onto a block than uptown Saint John was used to so many years ago.
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 5:34 PM
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I heard about that project this weekend from a member of the congregation, it sounds like it could be very positive, especially if it fits the mould of the community like Leinster Court did (minus the crappy back wall of course)
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Some exciting stuff is - and will continue to be - going on in the city, and its just a matter of getting the public and the special interest groups to buy into modern practices and to get comfortable about the idea of higher density developments. It is, however, unfortunate that our Mayor seems to be one of those who need convincing...
you hit the nail on the head. . . getting the public, etc on board is cruicial... every letter or email in support of development that council & the mayor receive translates into future votes . . . a critical mass is reached sooner or later . . .
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In the theme of density, the Church of St. Andrew and St. David is proposing to build a high density mixed-income development at the corner of Duke and Charlotte. We will be having a community consultation soon, and hope that the public buys into the idea of a quality project that will bring density to the current parking lot.
lol...i love that sentence...
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Old Posted Jul 29, 2008, 7:08 PM
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lol...i love that sentence...
I hope if the development moves forward, that they don't set the building back from the sidewalk much, especially at the corner. I'm tired of seeing new buildings being set back from the sidewalk by several metres, while the rest of our heritage streetscape is right up against it. It looks sloppy and inconsistent, and takes away from the creation of nice urban corridors. I mean if the building is only 3-4 stories tall, there is no need to set it back like it is 15 stories tall. I'd really like to see some street-level commercial use as well, with a little coffee shop or storefront on the corner with the apartments/condos up above and in the rear.
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New Indigo store is a book lovers delight

Published Tuesday July 29th, 2008

Shopping Business opening today on east side presents books and other items in a different way
JEFF DUCHARME
TELEGRAPH-JOURNAL C5

SAINT JOHN - If it weren't for the towering ceilings and industrial ventilation ducts, one might think they were walking through the brightly coloured rooms of a book-loving uncle's country-estate library. Thousands upon thousands of books line the walls and the aisles, but it's the way the books and other items are presented that make the store different.


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Julie McGoldrick, general manager for Indigo East Point, holds up books published by local photographer Rob Roy and local author David Goss at the entrance of the new Indigo store at East Point Shopping. The store opens to the public today.


Inside the doors of the new Indigo store at East Point Shopping, it first appears like many book stores. A great room welcomes visitors, and the tables and displays of books make visitors pause and take a breath. But as one winds their way through the various shelves of books, they realize they're walking through doorways and into rooms, each with a distinctively different theme and feel.

"It's all your shops within shops - destinations," said Julie McGoldrick, the store's general manager, during a tour of the store Monday.

The store opens today.

Each of the rooms is connected like they would be in a house and devoted to a particular theme or age group.

"They've got curved walls, so it really feels like a home environment," said McGoldrick.

The design of the store is the first of its kind in Atlantic Canada and only the second in the country after a store in Quebec. The design won a 2007 award from the International Council of Shopping Centres for its groundbreaking look and function.

The store will employ 35 people and packs books, magazines, music, decor items, stationery, toys, gourmet food items and gifts into 18,000 square feet.

Turning the corner into one of her favourite rooms, McGoldrick points out everything for the home and office from funky book ends to classy items for the desk to greeting cards.

"They don't have to go anywhere else," she said.

Some 45,000 books line the walls of the store and the magazine section has titles that seemingly go on forever - a browser's paradise.

But it's the area devoted to children, teens and tweens that really stands out. The rooms are bright and speak to children and youth rather than talking down to them. The colours are bright and the rooms have an almost castle-like airiness about them. Kids don't want to leave and parents only wish they were kids again.

"It makes them feel the room has been designed for them," said McGoldrick.

High up in the ceiling, the graphics have been designed from a baby-in-a-stroller point of view. The bright colours and large polka dots are designed to keep baby, who is always looking up, occupied and smiling.

Whether it be stuffed toys such as a three-headed dragon puppet or a board game, the toys have been picked carefully.

"We're really trying to focus the toys around the child's cognitive development," said McGoldrick.

But the old favourites can still be found - Spirograph, Barrel of Monkeys, Rubik's Cube and even Tiddly Winks are on the shelves along with modern-day favourites. There's also a Thomas the Tank Engine table for kids to play on and plasma carts for little ones to whiz around on.

For the teens and tweens, there's Stephenie Meyer's collection of books that has become all the rage with a special midnight launch of her new book planned for Friday. The launch will be a masquerade theme in keeping with her book that tells the story of a girl's heart torn between her love for a vampire and a werewolf.

"Teens and tweens are really into it, as are adults," said McGoldrick.
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Refurbishment planned for Market Square boardwalk
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SAINT JOHN - A popular uptown landmark that is a quarter-century old is getting a makeover.

Common council voted last week to award ADI Ltd. a contract to prepare the groundwork that will lead to the refurbishment of the Market Square boardwalk.

The project includes the wooden boardwalk between Market Slip and the start of Harbour Passage at York Point. It also includes the landscaped park that is centred among the housing components at Market Square.

The company will look at the boardwalk itself, the lighting, railings, the supporting deck and the landscaped park. A special membrane that is designed to seal the deck under the boardwalk will also be evaluated.

ADI will review the components and determine what needs to be repaired or replaced. The company will also provide concept designs and recommendations to upgrade the boardwalk to be compatible with Harbour Passage.

Under the terms of the $80,775 contract, the company will also prepare a final design and manage the improvement work that is carried out. It will also prepare an ongoing maintenance schedule and specifications.

Traffic on the boardwalk has increased in recent years.

It has become a link between different portions of the popular Harbour Passage walking trail and is also used by tourists and many cruise ship passengers, especially when the ships are docked at Long Wharf.

Coun. Bruce Court expressed concern about the cost of the agreement and the fact the city is contracting out the work.

He said the money is the equivalent of a year's salary for two city employees and said he'd prefer to see the city's own personnel do the work wherever and whenever possible.

City manager Terry Totten explained that any work around the boardwalk is complicated because the structure is connected to an underground parking garage and is partially underwater.

The money was allocated in the 2008 capital budget.
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"I said 'that piece of land over there is worth at least a half-million in parking for (the port authority), if it's only about making money'," the mayor said.

"They can take out of context if they want."

Sorry to be crude, but I think this man truly is an idiot.
Who votes for these people?!
Have 1,000 jobs move out of downtown with Irving Oil relocating headquarters elsewhere, and see how much money you raise with your parking lot.

Court makes reference on his web site, "Besides teaching ... I have worked for ... Port of Saint John as a stevedore and shipliner and a harbor fisherman."

I hope he hasn't checked his brain at the door in order to buddy up with guys from his summer job 35 years ago before he went into teaching.

It wouldn't be so bad, if Court could actually express what he thinks the Plan B should be. Just saying you don't like something, isn't at all helpful unless you've got something better to suggest.
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Have 1,000 jobs move out of downtown with Irving Oil relocating headquarters elsewhere, and see how much money you raise with your parking lot.

Court makes reference on his web site, "Besides teaching ... I have worked for ... Port of Saint John as a stevedore and shipliner and a harbor fisherman."

I hope he hasn't checked his brain at the door in order to buddy up with guys from his summer job 35 years ago before he went into teaching.

It wouldn't be so bad, if Court could actually express what he thinks the Plan B should be. Just saying you don't like something, isn't at all helpful unless you've got something better to suggest.
I'd actually prefer to see a nice Irving hirise North of Union to go along with that project. Of course the parking garage would have to be increased to deal with the extra capacity needed.
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INDIGO

I checked out the new place today; it's really nice and it was busy too. It was weird to see a starbucks a stone's throw from the other one and it didn't look much different. I'm thinking it may have made more sense to have the standalone starbucks attached to the end of the indigo with inside access. This one even has it's own outside access door.







and one of HAMPTON INN nearby

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Shows how rapidly Saint John is changing.... We waited for years for a Starbucks and a Chapters.. Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there a building down the street that was supposed to be a chapters but now it has a Pizza Delight and a bank in it? Now we have three Starbucks a short distance from each other and the first Indigo in the province..
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And this is how it should be...


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I heard about that project this weekend from a member of the congregation, it sounds like it could be very positive, especially if it fits the mould of the community like Leinster Court did (minus the crappy back wall of course)
The trickle down benefits of an established, functional (and, except the back wall, beautiful) mixed housing project like Lenster Ct. is that other (similar) local initiatives can build on its premise, using it as a tangible blueprint of sorts . . . . much easier to "sell" an idea when it's already been sucessfully implemented in the area, than to start from scratch. . . .

Encouraging to hear this kind of project slated for Duke/Charlotte... not only from an increased population density / in fill perspective, but it's nice to hear interest in quality developments deeper into the South End....
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And this is how it should be...

If, God forbid, Bay Ferries folds and the Princess of Acadia stops running (which I certainly hope/ think should NOT happen).....or, if they restructure and upgrade/move the ferry terminal as some have speculated in the past...I do wonder what would happen to the current terminal site, as it is quite prominent on the harbour map....
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Any ideas on what big project Cyr Holdings may have in mind for Saint John?

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MONCTON - Bernard Cyr's life has been and still is about possibility - the kind of possibility that just happens to have marked him as one of New Brunswick's most successful men of business.

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Owner of Cyr Holdings which operates the Chateau Moncton Hotel, develops commercial properties and operates various restaurants, Cyr is also owner and franchisor of the Dooly's Group. He estimates he has been involved in the development of between 35 and 45 businesses.

"He doesn't do things half-way. He won't try to save a couple of cents just to get the project within budget. He'll go the extra mile to make things the proper way," says Lavoie.

Cyr recently backed an unsuccessful $100-million proposal to build a hotel, casino and convention centre in Moncton's downtown to Sonco Gaming New Brunswick Ltd, who won the bid to build a similar facility in the Magnetic Hill area.

For Cyr this is simply a chance to forge ahead with up another project. "We will be announcing our biggest project to date within a month, in the city of Saint John."

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Maybe he's just referring to his new hotel that has already been approved, but we haven't seen any rendering for yet (the one at the old church site, I apologise for forgetting its name, St. Paul's was it?). I could see that counting as an "announcement" seeing as how I bet few people outside of those like us even know it is going to be built.
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SAINT JOHN - Port authority board chairman Stephen Campbell is at a loss to understand how it is that the organization couldn't get a one-on-one meeting with Mayor Ivan Court to discuss Irving Oil's proposal to build its $30-million corporate headquarters on Long Wharf.

In fact, he says he did not receive any response after making a formal request for a meeting through the mayor's office.

Instead, says Campbell, a meeting with the mayor was organized by Pat Riley, the business agent for International Longshoremen's Association, Local 273, a union that backs Court politically.

In the end, two members of the port's board of directors - Campbell and vice-chairman Arthur T. Doyle - did meet with the mayor, but with Riley and Saint John Lancaster MLA Abel LeBlanc in attendance. LeBlanc is a longtime friend of Court's and has spent more than 40 years working at the Port of Saint John, including 18 years as an executive officer and 16 as president of Local 273.

The port authority first tried to get a meeting with Court after the May election, through formal channels, Campbell writes in briefing notes to a number of Saint John economic development agencies, port officials and local businesses that were obtained by the Telegraph-Journal.

"This was refused on the basis that he did not want to hold any meetings until he was sworn in, which we accepted," says Campbell in the notes. "We later learned he was having meetings with a number of other parties. After his swearing in, we continued to be unsuccessful arranging a one-on-one courtesy meeting through the mayor's office. The vice-chair and I were contacted and informed by Pat Riley, business agent for the ILA, that we could meet with the mayor and that he and Abel LeBlanc would be in attendance.

"I find it very disturbing that the port authority could not arrange a one-on-one meeting with our new mayor without the participation of a special interest group," writes Campbell.

"We would have preferred a formal response from the mayor's office and we would have preferred to have a one-on-one with the mayor - as we've always been able to do - without a private interest group," he said in an interview. "We never received a letter, e-mail or anything from his office."

In the end, the meeting that was held by the five men did not go well, Campbell has said, with the mayor making it clear he is not supportive of Irving Oil's Long Wharf proposal.

Court has responded by saying he has not made up his mind and simply wants the best deal for the city. Looking purely at the revenue side, Court has said, the port authority would make more cash using Long Wharf as a parking lot. He also says he fears he'll be going to Ottawa to fight for money to fix piers on the western side of the harbour at the same time he's looking for federal cash to bring the city's drinking-water system up to par and adds he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the Long Wharf proposal and has questions about whether the city is receiving "fair-market value" for the Lantic Sugar site.

Before the deal can go forward, the city must agree to sell the former sugar refining site to Irving Oil. That's where the city's involvement in the proposal ends. After that, it's up to the port authority and the federal government to work it out.

Court denies that a request for a meeting came from the port board, but says he did try to reach port CEO Al Soppitt.

"I tried for two or three days to get a hold of Al Soppitt to sit down with Al Soppitt. I never refused to meet with Mr. Campbell or anybody else. The bottom line was I said we should have all parties sitting at the table at the same time.

"I said to the city manager, 'We should get these people together and find out where they're coming from.'

"They were arranging it through, if I remember correctly, Pat Riley.

"He had called and I said, 'I'm willing to sit down with you guys and I think it's important that you both sit at the same table because I don't want to hear one side of the story and then have somebody else tell me something different.'

"I think he invited Abel to come along. Steve brought Mr. Doyle. I never refused to meet with Mr. Campbell or anybody else."

Riley insists that Campbell came to him to arrange the meeting with the mayor; he called him three times, says Riley.

For his part, LeBlanc makes no bones about his affinity to the port.

He knows his strong port ties are why Riley invited him to the meeting.

"It's been a good community to me," says LeBlanc.

"I met a whole new bunch of people by representing the longshoremen. I've been all over North America with these people. I feel a loyalty to the people who are still working the port, both in management and in labour. Pat consulted with me because of my background in the port and the years I worked there."

Post-Secondary Education, Labour and Training Minister Ed Doherty, the Saint John Harbour MLA whose riding encompasses the port, was not invited, nor was Saint John MP Paul Zed, said LeBlanc, who says he has received only two telephone calls about Irving Oil's Long Wharf proposal - one for and one against.

If the deal goes through, Irving Oil promises improvements to Long Wharf and the nearby Fort La Tour site, as well as a world-class second cruise ship welcome centre to complement one that is nearing completion at the former Pugsley Terminal on the uptown side of the harbour. The Irving Oil headquarters at Long Wharf would also concentrate 1,000 employees downtown.

The ILA is the only group opposed to the Irving Oil proposal. The port authority, Enterprise Saint John, the Saint John Board of Trade, entrepreneurs in the city, the Saint John Waterfront Development Partnership and city manager Terry Totten have all embraced the proposal as a "win-win" for the city.

Totten has said the proposal will have a "significant effect" on municipal tax revenues, adding perhaps as much as $2 million annually to city coffers. The city currently receives an annual grant from the port authority of $44,000 in lieu of taxes for the property.
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How the heck was this guy ever elected, bring back norm, at least his puppetmaster was irving and not the union thugs in this city.

Personplacething, do you have any design plans you would be willing to share with us on the development on duke and charlotte.

Also bruce court worrying that jobs are being lost by city personal I loathe these guys.
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Maybe he's just referring to his new hotel that has already been approved, but we haven't seen any rendering for yet (the one at the old church site, I apologise for forgetting its name, St. Paul's was it?). I could see that counting as an "announcement" seeing as how I bet few people outside of those like us even know it is going to be built.
Thats likely what it is, just a public announcement and rendering of the new building. The ground work is well under way.
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Personplacething, do you have any design plans you would be willing to share with us on the development on duke and charlotte.
Not yet, we won't have anything for looking at until after the neighbourhood meeting/consultation.

So folks, how tall do you think a building on that site should be?
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