YEG - Edmonton Int Airport - Page 143

Coldrsx · #**2841** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 2:28 AM**

strong numbers...massive trans

rapid_business · #**2842** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 5:25 AM**

gas surplus fees don't seem to be shaking these growth patterns...

sdimedru · #**2843** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 1:29 PM**

From the EIA Wikipedia page.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmonton_International_Airport

"Additionally, the ERAA (Edmonton Regional Airports Authority) has decided that Edmonton must become an A380-compatible airport if it wants to see service from the growing Asia-Pacific and mid-Eastern markets. Negotiations are underway to bring YEG's taxiways up to the minimum required width for the super-jumbo."

Yes I know it's wikipedia but.....

Does anyone know if this is happening, or what the required modifications would be?

Coldrsx · #**2844** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 1:31 PM**

^while that wouldnt suprise me in their long term plan...i dont think it is a priority.

Coldrsx · #**2845** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 6:03 PM**

^while that wouldnt suprise me in their long term plan...i dont think it is a priority.

tuffyy · #**2846** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 8:02 PM**

Only a few of the current taxiways would need to be brought up to this standard.

Dont forget YEG see's the AN-124 and the C-17 on a regular basis.

Aswell as the AN-225 (this past winter.)

A A380 capable gate is something that would need to be looked at long before taxiways, just incase of a diversion or possible A380 service.

dansk · #**2847** Posted **Jul 15, 2008, 11:14 PM**

they'll have there new expansion up to code one would think.

sdimedru · #**2848** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 1:33 PM**

anyone know the supposed flight path of the cf18's this morning for the parade? Gonna step out of the office to try and get a look at them, but I want to know which way they'll be coming in from..... (ie. flying along the avenue or streets?)

alexis · #**2849** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 3:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by tuffyy

Only a few of the current taxiways would need to be brought up to this standard.

Dont forget YEG see's the AN-124 and the C-17 on a regular basis.

Aswell as the AN-225 (this past winter.)

A A380 capable gate is something that would need to be looked at long before taxiways, just incase of a diversion or possible A380 service.

I would think it very unlikely that YEG would ever have A380 service. There are what, only 4 airports in the whole of North America, I believe, which they will be operating into, and the cost to bring these up to what is neccessary to handle an A380 runs into the tens if not hundreds of millions.

A C-17 is tiddly compared to an A380...
The wheelbase of an A380 is 30.4m
And AN-124 is 23m
Can;t find the 225 but I think you'll probably find it is less as well.
On top of that you have the overhang required on the taxiways, the A380 is low wing, the rest highwing, which makes a big difference to start with, and that's without the length of their wings. The 225 does have a wider wingspan 88.4m opposed to 80m, but that does not park on the terminals.

The FAA has determined a runway width of 60m and taxiways of 30m, bit narrow that. But then you have to add herdened borders to the taxiways

Then there's the passenger loads...YEG does not operate anything larger than a 767 on a regular passenger schedule, so a jump up to an A380 would need a massive increase in passenger loads...something I doubt you will ever see Edmonton or Calgary get, at least not for the foreseeable future...their catchment areas are just too small.

BUT, if the airport is expanding, which it is, it would certainly be a great idea and a good bit of forethought to at least try and cater for as much as this bohemuth as possible in the planning stages, as I;m sure the costs up front would be far less than 5 or 10 years down the line.

Personally I think we'll never get A380's in, until YEG has a car park than can actually hold all the passengers

Alexis

dansk · #**2850** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 5:10 PM**

I think it is mainly for emergency landings and such that they need to make sure there is equipment. And in the future cargo.

MalcolmTucker · #**2851** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 5:43 PM**

Building a A380 capable gate is very different from building a true used everyday by A380s gate.

Just as you can service a 747 with a single sky bridge in a pinch, so you can do with a A380 if all the demensions are designed to handle it in an emergency.

I don't think anyone would think that a three bridge gate is coming anytime soon for Edmonton. Do the intercontinental flights even use the two class bridge in the old part of the terminal? I have never seen Calgary's two class bridge actually in use.

tuffyy · #**2852** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 11:21 PM**

Snowbirds paid YEG a visit today before heading to the airshow.

Also the B-25 ''pacific prowler'' is due to clear customs at YEG either today or tomorrow before heading out.

Kalitta air has another 747-200F due in on friday night also.

There was just a visit from one last week routed MXP-YEG-EWR.

mode · #**2853** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 11:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by tuffyy

Snowbirds paid YEG a visit today before heading to the airshow.

Also the B-25 ''pacific prowler'' is due to clear customs at YEG either today or tomorrow before heading out.

Kalitta air has another 747-200F due in on friday night also.

There was just a visit from one last week routed MXP-YEG-EWR.

Presumably MXP refers to Milan Malpensa Airport. (Sorry to be be the acronym police, but it is a job someone has to do!)

MalcolmTucker · #**2854** Posted **Jul 17, 2008, 11:56 PM**

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MXP-YEG-EWR.

Now that is an interesting routing.

Did it trade off some cargo or just a gas stop?

alexis · #**2855** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by dansk

I think it is mainly for emergency landings and such that they need to make sure there is equipment. And in the future cargo.

But all that additional cost which will certainly run into the millions, just for emergencies.....

Looking at the A380 order book, only Virgin, Korean, Lufthansa & Air France fly anywhere near Edmonton. Would the European operators be using it to San Fransisco or Los Angeles? So that just leaves Korean...are they planning on operating it to the South/ South East of the US?

In an emergency, providing the aircraft can land, that's the most important thing...if they need to park it on one of the runways then that's a small price to pay.

I used to live in Halifax and on 9/11, one runway was used as a parking area....the big trouble was leaving...each plane had to leave in the order it was parked in, and the passengers didn't want to leave, due to the incredible hospitality..the HIAA used to have photos up of it...quite something seeing a runway almost completely full of parked aircraft!

Alexis

IKAN104 · #**2856** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by mode

Presumably MXP refers to Milan Malpensa Airport. (Sorry to be be the acronym police, but it is a job someone has to do!)

No kidding. I'm always googling airport codes when I hit this thread. I guess we're not all airport junkies on here.

tuffyy · #**2857** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 2:35 AM**

^My bad...

Yes it was delivering some rather important valves for a project near Ft.Mac from Italy.

The crew was out of duty time so they overnighted then headed to Newark empty for there next flight.

alexis · #**2858** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 2:35 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuffyy

Snowbirds paid YEG a visit today before heading to the airshow.

Also the B-25 ''pacific prowler'' is due to clear customs at YEG either today or tomorrow before heading out.

Kalitta air has another 747-200F due in on friday night also.

There was just a visit from one last week routed MXP-YEG-EWR.

Saw them very briefly downtown for the Ex parade, along with 2 or 3 CH-146's

Nothing showing on the Kalitta website for a visit into YEG, although the info is normally posted a week or so in advance and tends to be out date by the time comes

Alexis
http://www.kalittaair.com/Schedule.asp

ExcaliburKid · #**2859** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 3:05 PM**

So word on the street is that the Marriot is finally out for tender.

ExcaliburKid · #**2860** Posted **Jul 18, 2008, 5:28 PM**

Also, finally got a look at the rendering. It was in black and white, and I didnt get a look at the finish materials, but its a nice design. Clean lines, follows the departures road with a slight curve. Entrance is rounded and this is continued right up to the top floor. I will try and scan it today, if I can.