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What a disaster...what a complete, disgraceful disaster!!! Those clowns at Port Authority couldn't even deliver a bottle of milk on time. I agree with an earlier poster that the whole site should have been turned over to private developers after being cleared out.

Why do I have this terrible feeling Freedom Tower will be scaled back? I just hope it is still going to be 1,776 ft tall!?

What a bunch of clowns!
I really don't think it needs hysterics. Did they perform perfectly, no. But I still think the PA has done alright given the tremendous hurdles they've had to face. The emotional ones alone set everyone back a year. everytime a decision was made, you had the wailing wall of victim's families protesting everything. i feel for them but unlike them I don't want a pit in the ground for the next 50 years. Everytime a bone fragment was found they would have to shut down and carefully search for more to ID a survivor. To me, this is an understandable delay. I too would like as many fragments identified. But it adds on to the delay

I have no evidence, but I severely highly doubt that they would mess with the Freedom Tower's scale at all. What they need to do is sell off the lot for WTC 5 and use that money to further finance the rest of the site.
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I really don't think it needs hysterics. Did they perform perfectly, no. But I still think the PA has done alright given the tremendous hurdles they've had to face.
True. Once things finally got underway, which was really just a couple of years ago, there has been steady progress. Of course costs are going to continue to rise, that happens with all projects, let alone one as complicated as this one. As I've mentioned before, basically the new director is saying the original cost estimates and timetables were unrealistic to begin with. It's like, if someone tells you they will have a 7 day job completed in 4 days, is it really a delay when the truth comes out?


Meanwhile, Calatrava's transit hub faces some changes to help cut costs...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/nyregion/02path.html?ref=nyregion

Design of Ground Zero Transit Hub Is Trimmed

By DAVID W. DUNLAP
July 2, 2008

The wings of Santiago Calatrava’s PATH terminal were meant to be retractable, but officials decided to leave them immobile.

The roof “will no longer open and close,” said Christopher O. Ward, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is building the hub. “This is a tough choice, but it is the right choice,” he said. “It’s reflective of the kinds of choices we simply must make in the coming weeks and months if we are to establish priorities and milestones, to which we can be held accountable.”

However, Mr. Ward said that a gap would be retained between the north and south roof segments, on the long axis — or spine — of the lens-shaped hall. This gap might be up to 12 feet wide. Glass panels within the gap would ordinarily protect the interior from cold, rain and snow. These panels could be retracted in good weather, on the Sept. 11 anniversaries and also to let smoke escape, if needed.

“The spine will remain as an opening,” Mr. Ward said. “There will be the same sense of light and air and escape.”

He said time and money would be saved by not having to engineer the wings to account for changing weight distribution. Scrapping the idea would also eliminate the problem of the south wing coming within three or four feet of Tower 3, one of the office buildings being developed by Silverstein Properties. “God forbid something failed,” Mr. Ward said.

Mr. Calatrava issued a statement saying the revision was “just the latest example of many changes we have recommended” to save time and money “while preserving the integrity of the original design.”

Given financing limits, the authority must find ways to build the hub for no more than $2.5 billion. Though officials have insisted that the hub’s signature features would be retained, subtle and not-so-subtle changes have already been made, some that are arguably more significant than opening and closing roof wings. For instance, the underground mezzanine was originally to be illuminated with skylights set in the pavement of the memorial plaza above. That arrangement, which far more directly affects the experience of daily commuters, was quietly scrapped in recent months.
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Why do I have this terrible feeling Freedom Tower will be scaled back? I just hope it is still going to be 1,776 ft tall!?
Only you can answer your first question. The Freedom Tower is to be the tallest of the WTC towers, so it won't be scaled back. That would force too many significant changes this far in the game, including possibly moving the broadcast antenna to tower 2 or 3 - meaning yet more design changes. Don't count on it.
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Concrete truck drivers strike...

... from the NYT - July 2, 2008...

Most of New York City’s largest construction projects ground to a halt or near-halt on Tuesday because of an unanticipated strike by more than 400 cement-truck drivers.

With the bulky, noisy ready-mix concrete trucks largely disappearing from the city’s streets, the walkout affected scores of projects, including the Freedom Tower; the Second Avenue subway; the new Yankee Stadium; Citi Field, the ballpark that will replace Shea Stadium; and many high-rise apartment buildings.

The concrete companies hit by the strike predicted that the walkout would last at least through Monday and perhaps considerably longer, putting thousands of construction workers temporarily out of work.

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Where are the pictures on this, I demand an update every 5 seconds like on the Chicago Spire

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The loss of a retractable roof won't greatly impact the overall Transit Hub, it is not like a domed stadium is being built. However; any more cutbacks and this Hub (along with the rest of the WTC) will be in deep sh*t.
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The loss of a retractable roof won't greatly impact the overall Transit Hub, it is not like a domed stadium is being built. However; any more cutbacks and this Hub (along with the rest of the WTC) will be in deep sh*t.
I hope that "winged" structure gets built, but its not entirely neccessary or needed for the station itself to be built. It's welcome excess - if we can afford it. If building it puts other elements of the memorial and the station in jeapordy, we can do without it, the station itself is underground, and on a completely different side of the street.
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... from the NYT - July 2, 2008...

Most of New York City’s largest construction projects ground to a halt or near-halt on Tuesday because of an unanticipated strike by more than 400 cement-truck drivers.

With the bulky, noisy ready-mix concrete trucks largely disappearing from the city’s streets, the walkout affected scores of projects, including the Freedom Tower; the Second Avenue subway; the new Yankee Stadium; Citi Field, the ballpark that will replace Shea Stadium; and many high-rise apartment buildings.

The concrete companies hit by the strike predicted that the walkout would last at least through Monday and perhaps considerably longer, putting thousands of construction workers temporarily out of work.

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From: The New York Sun

N.Y.-N.J. War Brewing Over New Ground Zero Costs

By PETER KIEFER, Staff Reporter of the Sun
July 2, 2008

A battle is brewing between New York and New Jersey over who will pay for the billions of dollars in expected cost overruns at ground zero.

Governor Corzine through a spokesman said yesterday he was "dismayed" a day after the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey announced it could not say when construction at the World Trade Center site would be completed or how much it would cost. The spokesman for Mr. Corzine, Jim Gardner, said the governor "does not want to see these cost overruns and delays become an excuse to reduce funding commitments to projects that are already in the capital plan."

According to a number of sources, Mr. Corzine is sending a clear signal to both the Port Authority and to Governor Paterson: Keep your hands off the funding that is already in place for the more New Jersey-friendly transit projects — specifically the ARC Tunnel project and the PATH transit hub.

The Port Authority, which owns the 16-acre World Trade Center site, is a bistate agency and Messrs. Paterson and Corzine hold equal sway over its leadership. The governor of each state appoints six members to the board of commissioners and both governors retain the right to veto the actions of commissioners from their respective states.

"To hear Governor Corzine speak out proves that New Jersey, which is in dire need of money and doesn't have hundreds of quasi-government agencies like New York does, wants to make sure they get their share of the swag," a former executive director of the Port Authority, George Marlin, said in an interview. "They must be getting nervous that this money they are depending on may be in jeopardy."

On Monday, the executive director of the Port Authority, Christopher Ward, said an accurate cost and scheduling assessment at the site was impossible due to at least 15 unresolved decisions.

Mr. Ward said he would be providing an assessment that includes dates and possible budget overruns by the end of September. The current projected budget, which includes five new office towers, a memorial museum, a park, a performing arts center, and a transit hub, is about $15 billion; the total price tag could increase by $3 billion or more, according to published reports.

A Port Authority source said Mr. Corzine is positioning himself in anticipation of the September report.

"Corzine doesn't want to be seen as being willing to take away from projects that are closer to New Jersey, like the ARC tunnel and the PATH train station," the source said.

The $7.5 billion ARC Tunnel project — referring to "access to the region's core" — would create a new passenger rail tunnel under the Hudson River between New Jersey and Manhattan. Current funding plans include $3 billion from the Port Authority, with the remainder coming from New Jersey and the federal government.

Yesterday, Mr. Ward announced that the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH transportation hub would not maintain the function that would allow the structure's wings to open and close. Mr. Ward said the decision allows for the station to be built sooner and for the Port Authority to save money.

"This is the kind of tough decision that we will face," he said to reporters at a breakfast in Lower Manhattan.

When asked who would pay for the ground zero cost overruns, Mr. Ward, who was appointed by Mr. Paterson, said he expected all the existing partners in the project to chip in.

"This is a project that has many partners," he said, pointing to the Federal Transit Authority, the federal government, the Port Authority, Larry Silverstein and private stakeholders. "When there is going to be budget issues going forward it will be the same team that answers that budget question that answers the engineering questions."
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Someone should get Bill Gates interested in donating to a good cause.
Mayor Bloomberg is good at fundraising for these things, he's done well with the memorial. But Calatrava's expensive (and excessive) design for the transit terminal isn't on that same priority level for doners.
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Lost in all the talk of "delays"...
http://panynj.com/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=1085

PORT AUTHORITY BOARD APPROVES AGREEMENT WITH PRIVATE-SECTOR TENANT FOR FREEDOM TOWER

Date: June 30, 2008
Press Release Number: 65-2008


The Port Authority Board of Commissioners today authorized an agreement with China Center New York LLC for space in One World Trade Center, the Freedom Tower - the first private-sector office tenant committed to the building.

China Center - which will be built by Beijing Vantone Real Estate Company - will lease approximately 190,000 square feet of office space on parts of the 64th floor, and the entire 65th through 69th floors, and approximately 5,000 square feet of storage space.

The agreement calls for a lease of approximately 23 years from the time the tower opens. The China Center will have the right to lease two additional contiguous floors at the same terms no later than June 30, 2009.

Port Authority Chairman Anthony R. Coscia said, “The Freedom Tower, coupled with other office and retail space on the World Trade Center site, will shape the economic future of Lower Manhattan. Signing up the China Center speaks to our belief in the World Trade Center as a world-class business destination, and will help us attract additional public- and private-sector commitments at the site.”

Port Authority Executive Director Christopher O. Ward said, “This agreement is a clear sign that the private sector believes in the World Trade Center as a prime location to do business and will give us important momentum as we get the entire rebuilding effort at the World Trade Center site on track.”

The China Center will serve as a base for Chinese businesses looking to operate in the United States. It will include a conference-and-events center for its tenants.

The China Center will pay rents for its office space that begin at $80 per square foot and escalate every five years.

Construction of the Freedom Tower began in April 2006 and significant progress has been made during the past two years. Seven of 24 jumbo columns that will form the perimeter of the tower have been installed above street level, with column installation to continue throughout the summer.

The tower’s 500,000 square-foot subgrade area is nearly complete.
It involved the installation of approximately 22,000 cubic yards of concrete and more than 1,000 tons of steel.
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Remarks from the PA on the status of other WTC developments:
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REMARKS BY PORT AUTHORITY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR CHRISTOPHER O. WARD ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ASSESSMENT

Date: July 01, 2008
Press Release Number: 68-2008


Perhaps for the first time in the history of the rebuilding effort, all of the key stakeholders at the World Trade Center site worked collaboratively with the goal of producing an accurate and current picture of where we are and where we need to go. They opened up their books, shared information, communicated their concerns and – most importantly – asked fundamental questions that largely had gone unanswered in the haste to rebuild.

On June 11th, Governor Paterson asked me for a candid and transparent assessment of the rebuilding effort at the World Trade Center site. Like you, he wanted to understand just what was the state of downtown. As the new Executive Director of the Port Authority, I had the same question. Nineteen days later, here’s what I found:

The dates and costs of the World Trade Center projects that the public has been told are not realistic. We are not going to make any of them.

Our report details 15 fundamental issues that drive both schedule and cost that have yet to be resolved. Until we can resolve these issues, another neatly wrapped package of dates and budgets would be just as unrealistic as the last bunch.


So we are not going down that path again. Instead, this report marks a new way of doing business at the Port Authority, a new way of doing business among all of the stakeholders at the World Trade Center site and; most importantly, a new way of doing business for how we manage this complex project – something the Port Authority Board of Commissioners has been pushing for some time.

Because it’s no longer a question of if all of these projects will get built. Nothing in my assessment leads me to believe that any of these projects won’t be completed as promised. The questions are when and for how much. That is where this new way of doing business comes in.

What we now face is the most complex and difficult construction job you can imagine.

I can tell you today that we know significant progress has been made on every major project on the site since 2006. In fact, it is a completely different site today than it was then. In early 2006, the site was at a virtual standstill. Today, more than 700 workers have turned a standstill into a bourgeoning construction site. Everyone who made that real should be enormously proud of that accomplishment.

But, as I said upfront, we also know that the schedule and costs of the rebuilding effort are not realistic. Unfortunately, far too often those dates and budgets have been driven by emotional and political needs instead of a clear-eyed sense of how you actually build such a vision.

Working together with all of our partners, we will approach this project with a clear sense of mission. We will look at a range of mitigation options to build these projects smarter, faster and for less money. We will peel back budgets to generate cost savings; and we will question assumptions as just those: assumptions. And all of this will be done with a renewed sense of urgency that our town demands.

Having said all of that, as I look across this room, I see a lot of skeptical looks. I don't blame you for being skeptical. But skepticism never built a thing. I know because I have been involved with many projects the skeptics know too well.

In my first tenure at the Port Authority, together we built the AirTrain system to JFK. Many said this project would never be built. It was too costly, too challenging and faced too much local opposition.

We proved them wrong. We overcame challenges and embraced community concerns. Today, the AirTrain system provides a critical mass transit link for millions of riders who travel to and from the airport each year.

There is no question that the World Trade Center project is perhaps the most challenging rebuilding effort in this City’s history, and the biggest challenge ever faced in the 87-year history of the Port Authority.

While I am not naive when it comes to the challenges that lie ahead, I know we have several factors in our favor.

So where does that leave us? What is the actual status of the project?

We have met with all of the major stakeholders of this massive project and we have gotten the engineers and experts involved in a comprehensive analysis, poring over data and combing through budgets and timelines of each construction project.

I also walked the site to see firsthand the state of construction.

First, I was amazed to see the progress on every major project on the site.

-The Freedom Tower is rising above street level.

-Excavation and construction for the foundations for Towers 2, 3 and 4 and associated retail are well underway.

-The foundations and footings for the Memorial are near completion and steel will be arriving soon – so that we can lay the groundwork at the Memorial site for a publicly accessible and appropriate tribute on the 10th anniversary of September 11.

-And the foundation work of the WTC Transportation Hub has begun while the temporary North Access for the PATH Station has already been completed.

But while there is great progress on the 16-acre site, what we discovered during our assessment is that the complex construction activity on the ground doesn’t match up to the timelines and budgets that the public has been told.

Let me give you a sense for the reality of what we are talking about here. On just a few city blocks there will be:

-Five major skyscrapers, which will house Class A office space comparable to all of downtown Atlanta;

-One of the world’s most significant memorials and museums;

-The third-largest transportation hub in New York City;

-A world-class retail venue serving all WTC users;

-A major performing arts center;

-A state-of-the-art vehicle security center;

Two brand-new city streets (Greenwich and Fulton) and two brand-new pedestrian ways (Cortlandt and Dey); and,

-All of the critical infrastructure to support these projects (chiller plant, utility and communication networks, etc).


And all of this is happening within the confines of a transportation corridor that moves 150,000 commuters a day through an active construction site via the MTA #1 subway line, which literally cuts through the center of the site, and the WTC PATH Terminal, which runs beneath the site.

Add to this challenge the fact that there are 19 public agencies, two private developers, 101 different construction contractors and sub-contractors and 33 different designers, architects and consulting firms all in charge of one element of the project or another, and you have a construction challenge that is as complex as any in the world.

Given this enormous complexity, unfortunately, we found that there was no single command and control structure to manage it all, particularly the site logistics on the site – essentially to be the air-traffic controller for the hundreds – soon to be thousands – of workers and heavy construction equipment on the site. That will now change.

Moreover, there was no efficient decision-making process or steering committee to resolve the fundamental drivers of schedule and cost. That too will change.

By opening up this process we found at least 15 fundamental decisions on critical components of the overall project had not been made.

For example, until the Port Authority completes the final design of the WTC Transportation Hub, it is difficult both to responsibly predict a completion date and total cost of the Hub or, for that matter, to predict the completion dates and costs of all the other projects that are linked to and dependent on the Hub. Indeed, it is time that the design of that complex project be made to conform to real budget and schedule expectations, which will require tough decisions that have not been candidly addressed up to now.

Once we have resolved these issues, we will report clear and achievable timelines and cost estimates for each of the major projects with interim milestones and deliverables that will be open to the public so that we can be held accountable.

In fact, I’m pleased to report today the first of these issues has already been resolved. Working together, the Transportation Hub designer Santiago Calatrava and the Port Authority have determined that the so-called “wings” of the Hub oculus will no longer open and close.

Making this decision helps preserve the overall iconic nature of Calatrava’s winged design, but it will allow the Hub to literally fit better with the other buildings on the site; when the wings opened they came far too close to the surrounding office towers.


And best of all, this decision will result in significant cost and time savings.

This is a tough choice, but it’s the right choice. And it’s reflective of the kinds of choices we simply must make in the coming weeks and months if we are to establish priorities and intermediate milestones, to which we can be held accountable.

Having talked construction exclusively during my remarks, I would be remiss if I did not at least touch on my other passion and quote a little Henry James, because it’s a quote I often think about when considering the challenge before us.

James once said: “The New York City skyline is swept clean every twenty-five years.” A Europeanist, James was decrying the rapid change that New York was going through as market forces swept away old economies for new ones, brownstones for skyscrapers – from the early port city, to the trading and industrial era, through financial consolidation, the information age and finally as the world city we know it today.

But the loss of our skyline on September 11th was not this New York energy James described. Rather, it was the very opposite – an anti-modern view which sought to stop our future.

But New York has rebuilt itself time and time again. And it will do so here again in Lower Manhattan. But unlike any other time or project in our history, we are rebuilding on a site fundamentally taken from us by those completely at odds with our town.


And that remains our challenge. And it will take time, as it has. But rebuild we will. With the stakeholders in this room, the real estate market behind us, all of the efforts to date, and a roadmap going forward, a new downtown will be rebuilt. To that I have no doubt.

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I was reading on the Earthcam website, in the Ground Zero section, and I noticed it says that "The Sphere" was visible on their camera in the days following 911.

Did they have a webcam set up pre-911 that oversaw the plaza? If it wasn't pre-911, did they set one up afterwards? If either is the case, does anyone know where the archive is?

Sorry to go a little off-topic, just a question I'd like answered.
     
     
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There were very few Earthcams set up back then. The set of pictures for 9-11, http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/content.php?content=timelapse&type=on911&tlcam=ny des not reveal much at all, certainly nothing of the immediate area.

Several days ago Cam 2, the one which covered the widest view at the Ground Zero site stopped working and today it has been removed, sigh.
     
     
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are you talking about the high def cam? its been offline for about a week now... but how do you know it has been removed? lol
     
     
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are you talking about the high def cam? its been offline for about a week now... but how do you know it has been removed? lol
the link was removed from the lower part of the main page. the hd cam page is still there and the link at the top of the main page is still there.
     
     
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There were very few Earthcams set up back then. The set of pictures for 9-11, http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/groundzero/content.php?content=timelapse&type=on911&tlcam=ny des not reveal much at all, certainly nothing of the immediate area.

Several days ago Cam 2, the one which covered the widest view at the Ground Zero site stopped working and today it has been removed, sigh.
Gah! Did Cam 2 record during 2001?

Quick Edit: This is kind of interesting.
     
     
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Well after reading that above article there are definitely some comforting words. At this point, just as stated in the article, it’s simply a waiting game. I believe though after all the time that has already passed; a couple more years won’t make much of a difference. We just need to keep an open mind to some of these cut cost. The way I see it it’s inevitable, and if no one is going to step up to the plate to cover the cost swimmingly, then of course there are bound to be delays.

Let’s look at the positives though:
1. There is much assurance that all the towers will be built as advertised.
2. There will be transit hub (pretty much the same deal only no retractable roof).
3. There will be a concourse, a connector to the WFC, and some form of a Fulton Street Station.

The way I see it the only downside will be a longer wait, and there is much other activity in the immediate area to keep us occupied in the meantime, not to mention the rest of the city.

In regards to the PATH Hub, will it essentially remain as is in design, only without the retractable roof and shorter spikes? I honestly don’t care about the retractable aspect getting the ax; I always found it neat, but a necessity. I rather that be cut than a smaller concourse.
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