Austin & San Antonio

[oldmanshirt]

Originally Posted by Trae

Like I already said, San Antonio id more blue-collar than the other three, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Allergies gettin to you, dude?

[Trae]

Originally Posted by oldmanshirt

Allergies gettin to you, dude?

Yeah.

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

Finance, Govt- National Defense, Bio-Med-Heath care, blue Collar type jobs? The smaller industries are Aerospace and Hospitality. I would like to see current breakdown of all Texas cities. I'll do some research a bit later. A Diversified economy does not equal a mostly Blue Collar town. Can't go by those lil rankings by a business magazine. They are not always accurate.

It's true. SA is more of a blue-collar town than the other cities. Do you honestly think national defense and tourism are white-collar jobs? It is a diverse economy, but diverse by the different amount of blue-collar jobs there .

But I can't wait to see your research.

[NBTX11]

Whoever said it takes an hour and a half to get from NB or SM to downtown, is wrong. I live in New Braunfels and drive to San Antonio every day. I can get to downtown in 30-40 minutes, maybe a little more depending on traffic. It is only 30something miles. It never takes an hour and and a half unless there is a major accident.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

Yeah.



It's true. SA is more of a blue-collar town than the other cities. Do you honestly think national defense and tourism are white-collar jobs? It is a diverse economy, but diverse by the different amount of blue-collar jobs there .

But I can't wait to see your research.

Ah... I think all cities a have bit of everything. Some more than others. I never said San Antonio doesn't have blue collar jobs. Dallas has them and so does Houston. San Antonio being diversified and Finance, DOD, and Healthcare being it's largest industries, I would say that cleary states it's not more Blue collar.




Top 10 best Blue Collar jobs.
Top 10 blue-collar jobs Rank Occupation Annual pay Search
1
Elevator installers and repairers
$63,620
Job listings on MSN Careers

2
Locomotive engineers
$57,990
Job listings on MSN Careers

3
Electrical and electronics repairers
$57,400
Job listings on MSN Careers

4
Railroad conductors and yard masters
$55,530
Job listings on MSN Careers

5
Power-plant operators
$55,000
Job listings on MSN Careers

6
Ship engineers
$54,820
Job listings on MSN Careers

7
Construction and mining supervisors
$53,850
Job listings on MSN Careers

8
Gas-plant operators
$53,670
Job listings on MSN Careers

9
Farm managers
$52,070
Job listings on MSN Careers

10
Transportation inspectors
$50,370
Job listings on MSN Careers


Here is another list of blue collar jobs.
http://www.careerbuilder.com/jobseeker/c...f0ca547d4b0870c84b28a7e18-268188135-JG-5


San Antonio employment numbers Show more white collar jobs than Blue or service type driven city.


National Defense-DOD 195,075 (2006) More White than Blue
Healthcare-Bio-Medical 112,762 (2005) White
Finance 56,000 highest in Texas (2006) White
Real Estate 131,000 (2005) White
Manufacturing 52,786 (2006) Blue/White
Higher Education 17,134 (2004) White
Creative 12,000 (2003) White
IT 11,283 (2004) White
Aerospace Over 15,000 (2006)Blue/White
Hospitality over 100,000 (2006)Blue/ White

[Trae]

National Defense is definitely more blue collar than white.

Also, what good does it do posting a list of the highest paid blue-collar jobs? And yes, every city has blue-collar jobs, it just seems like San Antonio has, and gets more of them (Toyota, those Data Centers, etc). SA also has a very good balance of white collar jobs, so it definitely is not a Pittsburgh, or other Rust Belt city.

Dallas, and especially Houston has them (with the Port, refineries, etc.), but Houston also has all of those shiny office buildings where people sit up in offices.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Leading Employment Sectors –San Antonio MSA as of APRIL 2008

Sector Employment

Total Nonagricultural 848,400
Government 155,600
Trade, Transportation & Utilities 150,300
Education & Health Services 117,600
Professional & Business Services 105,800
Leisure/Hospitality 99,200
Financial Activities 65,300
Mining & Construction 55,100
Manufacturing 48,300
Other Services 29,700
Information 21,500
TOTAL NON FARM EMPLOYMENT 823,900 Total Labor force 928,766
Source: Texas Workforce Commission, Texas Labor Market Review



Austin

Employment by Industry
Employment by Industry, Austin MSA
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Total non-farm 653,000 667,400 692,200 723,200 757,300
Construction, natural
resources, & mining 37,400 37,700 40,200 44,600 48,600
Manufacturing 57,700 57,400 57,300 58,900 60,000
Wholesale trade 33,700 35,400 37,400 38,500 41,200
Retail trade 67,800 69,100 72,700 76,300 81,100
Transportation, warehousing,
& utilities 10,600 11,000 11,700 12,600 13,400
Information 20,800 20,500 21,500 21,800 21,900
Financial activities 39,500 40,000 41,200 43,300 45,000
Professional & business services 85,600 89,100 94,100 99,600 106,700
Educational & health Services 66,000 68,400 71,100 73,800 76,600
Leisure & hospitality 63,800 67,100 69,700 74,300 78,400
Other services 24,500 26,000 26,500 27,700 28,200
Government 145,600 145,800 148,900 152,000 156,300

Employment by Industry 2007

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

Leading Employment Sectors –San Antonio MSA as of APRIL 2008

Sector Employment

Total Nonagricultural 848,400
Government 155,600
Trade, Transportation & Utilities 150,300
Education & Health Services 117,600
Professional & Business Services 105,800
Leisure/Hospitality 99,200
Financial Activities 65,300
Mining & Construction 55,100
Manufacturing 48,300
Other Services 29,700
Information 21,500
TOTAL NON FARM EMPLOYMENT 823,900 Total Labor force 928,766
Source: Texas Workforce Commission, Texas Labor Market Review



Austin

Employment by Industry
Employment by Industry, Austin MSA
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Total non-farm 653,000 667,400 692,200 723,200 757,300
Construction, natural
resources, & mining 37,400 37,700 40,200 44,600 48,600
Manufacturing 57,700 57,400 57,300 58,900 60,000
Wholesale trade 33,700 35,400 37,400 38,500 41,200
Retail trade 67,800 69,100 72,700 76,300 81,100
Transportation, warehousing,
& utilities 10,600 11,000 11,700 12,600 13,400
Information 20,800 20,500 21,500 21,800 21,900
Financial activities 39,500 40,000 41,200 43,300 45,000
Professional & business services 85,600 89,100 94,100 99,600 106,700
Educational & health Services 66,000 68,400 71,100 73,800 76,600
Leisure & hospitality 63,800 67,100 69,700 74,300 78,400
Other services 24,500 26,000 26,500 27,700 28,200
Government 145,600 145,800 148,900 152,000 156,300

Employment by Industry 2007

Do you know what you are copying and pasting?

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

Do you know what you are copying and pasting?

San Antonio has 20,000 more white collar jobs in Finace than Austin, More than any other Texas city according to link I posted on other page. Actually just read charts, pretty much tells the story. San Antonio is definitley more white than Blue.

[Trae]

Please tell me which metor area is larger, San Antonio or Austin?

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

Please tell me which metor area is larger, San Antonio or Austin?

San Antonio having more finance industry jobs in Texas is a indicator that Metro size does not matter.

[alexjon]

Oh laird.

Please, someone stop this crazy boat

[Paul in S.A TX]

The total economic impact of the finance industry is $20.5 billion and it provides 50,469 jobs with total wages at $2.66 billion. The average annual wage for the industry is $52,612 compared to the average wage in San Antonio of $33,911. This data was compiled using data from 2004.

When compared to the aerospace, healthcare, hospitality and information technology industries, the finance industry:

registers the largest economic impact by almost double the second-ranked industry (healthcare)
pays the highest average wages
pays the second highest amount of total wages
employs the third largest number of people, and
this study further substantiates that San Antonio has a diversified economy.
In addition, San Antonio’s employment numbers in finance and insurance top other major Texas cities including Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston and Austin

[alexjon]

Then where are the tall buildings, modern transit options, modern airports, exclusive condos and chic retail cores?

[sirkingwilliam]

Oh my god was this thread just a terrible terrible idea to begin with. Destined to fail. Whether it came from Paul's overzealous defending or Trae's insecurity plagued posts and his "one up you" style. It was bound to happen.

Let's get something straight. No combing of airports is going to happen. Stop it. Stop purposing this just because DFW has it. STOP!

San Antonio does have a very diverse economy no matter what Trae wants people to believe. San Antonio is no longer a Tourism and Military dependent city. This city is definitely no blue collar city. Though the city does have a somewhat "working class" image in some regards, but that ever changing as the area grows and evolves.

Now this thread is ready for a...

[Trae]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

Oh my god was this thread just a terrible terrible idea to begin with. Destined to fail. Whether it came from Paul's overzealous defending or Trae's insecurity plagued posts and his "one up you" style. It was bound to happen.

k.

But what exactly am I being insecure about?

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

The total economic impact of the finance industry is $20.5 billion and it provides 50,469 jobs with total wages at $2.66 billion. The average annual wage for the industry is $52,612 compared to the average wage in San Antonio of $33,911. This data was compiled using data from 2004.

When compared to the aerospace, healthcare, hospitality and information technology industries, the finance industry:

registers the largest economic impact by almost double the second-ranked industry (healthcare)
pays the highest average wages
pays the second highest amount of total wages
employs the third largest number of people, and
this study further substantiates that San Antonio has a diversified economy.
In addition, San Antonio’s employment numbers in finance and insurance top other major Texas cities including Dallas/Ft. Worth, Houston and Austin

Paul, that 20.5 billion dollar number is from 2004. If you're going to defend so vigorously, try not being so bad at it.

[sirkingwilliam]

Originally Posted by Trae

k.

But what exactly am I being insecure about?

Kid, you're the first to point out how big Houston is. If it's a non-Houston topic/thread it'll 9 times out of ten be interjected almost like a non sequitur. You'll almost surely be the first to point out someone's short comings and what not.

You can't stand any type of achievement for any place other than Houston.

You have an almost Napoleon-like complex going on.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by sirkingwilliam

Kid, you're the first to point out how big Houston is. If it's a non-Houston topic/thread it'll 9 times out of ten be interjected almost like a non sequitur. You'll almost surely be the first to point out someone's short comings and what not.

You can't stand any type of achievement for any place other than Houston.

You have an almost Napoleon-like syndrome going on.

Examples in this thread of me putting Houston in first kid.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Tall buildings? They are all in Washington D.C! Chic retail cores? What does that have to do with anything? San Antonio has a explosion of retail on all levels like no other Texas town.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

Tall buildings? They are all in Washington D.C! Chic retail cores? What does that have to do with anything? San Antonio has a explosion of retail on all levels like no other Texas town.

There is a reason why Washington DC does not have any tall buildings. Codes and ordinances don't let anything be taller than the Capitol Building (something like that). All of the tall buildings are on the other side of the Potomac in Virginia.

And San Antonio has as much retail going up as every other Texas city.