Austin & San Antonio

[Jdawgboy]

Once again San Antonionians are trying to use that suprerior attitude toward Austin but I think that is soon comming to an end. As mentioned ealier there is no need for Austin to move to a new airport because our airport already has room to grow, to outgrow SAT for sure even if SA built a new airport it would be years away from getting to what Austin has now. Fact... ABIA already has a runway that can hold the largest planes in the world and by the way for those who may remember back in the early 90's the space shuttle landed at Bergstrom I think in 93. 12250 feet Only DFW has a runway comparable, not sure how long Houston's longest runway is.
Paul, I don't know why you love to push Austin down saying that it has nothing on San Antonio when clearly we do. Our economy, our workforce, and our population growth are more than enough to be proud of our city. Coupled with national rankings, we are in no way out of your city's league. I could care less if Austin ever passes SA in population. Either way there is a reason why you like to bash Austin and its because of how successful this city really is. You said it ealier on the other thread how your tired of hearing people say how wonderful Austin is, well get used to it. I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.

[Trae]

Houston's longest runway for now is 12,001 feet long. Midland has one over 12,000 feet, too.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by alexjon

Probably using raw facts (like the GDPs) without any backing or grounding in reality.

Unless the Per Capita Income of the two cities changed overnight...

We are talking which city is more diversified San Antonio or Austin. Not which one has a higher per capita imcome. Anyway found this list interesting thought I would share it with you guys.




Top 50 MSAs by Per Capita Personal Income and Total Personal Income:

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The Bureau of Economic Analysis just released data for Total and Per Capita Income for 2006. The first list ranks the 50 MSAs with the highest Per Capita Incomes (there are about 380 MSAs in total). The Northeast is well represented in this list with 15... and has the top (by FAR) MSA in Bridgeport, CT. Both large and small MSAs residing in the BosWash corridor dominate this list (many of these can thank NYC for their high wages)... while the only "interior Northeast" metro to make the list is Pittsburgh.

http://bea.gov/newsreleases/regional...ewsrelease.htm

Rank, Metropolitan Area, Per Capita Income, Annual Growth Rate
1 Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT $71,901 +6.9%
2 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA $55,801 +6.2%
3 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA $53,533 +6.1%
4 Naples-Marco Island, FL $53,265 +7.6%
5 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-MD-VA-WV $51,207 +5.2%
6 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA $50,085 +6.2%
7 Sebastian-Vero Beach, FL $49,305 +6.7%
8 Trenton-Ewing, NJ $48,964 +6.6%
9 New York-Northern-New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA $48,397 +6.9%
10 Boulder, CO $48,324 +5.4%
11 Napa, CA $46,286 +6.0%
12 Barnstable Town, MA $46,258 +5.2%
13 Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA $45,849 +7.5%
14 Casper, WY $45,814 +10.5%
15 Midland, TX $45,274 +10.8%
16 Denver-Aurora, CO $44,299 +4.6%
17 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA $44,228 +6.3%
18 Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT $44,194 +4.3%
19 Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, FL $44,042 +5.9%
20 Minneapolis-St Paul-Bloomington, MN $43,696 +3.8%
21 Baltimore-Towson, MD $43,549 +5.4%
22 Reno-Sparks, NV $43,209 +4.7%
23 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD $42,988 +5.6%
24 San Diego-Carslbad-San Marcos, CA $42,797 +5.5%
25 Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA $42,738 +5.7%
26 Santa Barbara-Santa Maria-Goleta, CA $42,385 +4.7%
27 Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA $42,342 +4.9%
28 Manchester-Nashua, NH $41,895 +5.1%
29 Ocean City, NJ $41,651 +5.3%
30 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX $41,429 +5.7%
31 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI $41,161 +5.7%
32 New Haven-Milford, CT $41,094 +5.0%
33 Norwich-New London-CT $41,019 +4.4%
34 Madison, WI $40,671 +4.3%
35 Santa Fe, NM $40,500 +6.8%
36 Ann Arbor, MI $40,381 +1.7%
37 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI $40,316 +5.6%
38 Anchorage, AK $40,137 +4.5%
39 Carson City, NV $39,958 +5.4%
40 Cheyenne, WY $39,936 +8.7%
41 Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL $39,628 +5.7%
42 Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA $39,579 +4.9%
43 Pittsfield, MA $39,463 +5.0%
44 Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA $39,448 +5.4%
45 Dallas-Ft Worth-Arlington, TX $39,187 +5.3%
46 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA $39,011 +6.2%
47 Worcester, MA $38,814 +5.3%
48 Pittsburgh, PA $38,717 +6.0%
49 Rochester, MN $38,715 +3.2%
50 Honolulu, HI $38,689 +5.1%


The following Top 50 list is MSAs ranked by Total Personal Income... basically the sum total of all income collected by everyone over age 16 in the MSA. It's relatively similar to the Top 50 MSAs ranked by population... but there are some noticeable differences. Small Bridgeport, CT MSA jumps to 30 thanks to its incredible per capita income. The Northeast has 10 MSAs on this list... with NYC, of course, being No. 1. Washington and Philly also occupy the Top 5. Rochester just missed the list at No. 51. The TPI is in millions.

1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA $910,760
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA $505,197
3. Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI $391,262
4. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV $270,903
5. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD $250,482
6. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX $235,277
7. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA $233,248
8. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX $229,517
9. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH $223,140
10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL $216,523
11. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA $184,186
12. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI $170,600
13. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA $144,337
14. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI $138,735
15. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ $136,972
16. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA $125,885
17. Baltimore-Towson, MD $115,770
18. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA $111,869
19. Denver-Aurora, CO $106,706
20. St. Louis, MO-IL $104,202
21. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA $95,671
22. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL $94,311
23. Pittsburgh, PA $91,790
24. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA $79,399
25. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH $78,371
26. Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA $77,056
27. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN $76,521
28. Kansas City, MO-KS $74,266
29. Orlando-Kissimmee, FL $65,459
30. Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT $64,743
31. Las Vegas-Paradise, NV $64,543
32. Indianapolis-Carmel, IN $63,058
33. Columbus, OH $62,698
34. San Antonio, TX $62,110
35. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI $60,876
36. Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC $60,508
37. Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA $59,967
38. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC $57,062
39. Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN $56,026
40. Austin-Round Rock, TX $54,955
41. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT $52,540
42. Jacksonville, FL $46,314
43. Richmond, VA $45,122
44. Memphis, TN-MS-AR $44,758
45. Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN $43,257
46. Birmingham-Hoover, AL $41,399
47. Oklahoma City, OK $41,278
48. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA $39,290
49. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY $38,335
50. Raleigh-Cary, NC $36,905
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[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Once again San Antonionians are trying to use that suprerior attitude toward Austin but I think that is soon comming to an end. As mentioned ealier there is no need for Austin to move to a new airport because our airport already has room to grow, to outgrow SAT for sure even if SA built a new airport it would be years away from getting to what Austin has now. Fact... ABIA already has a runway that can hold the largest planes in the world and by the way for those who may remember back in the early 90's the space shuttle landed at Bergstrom I think in 93. 12250 feet Only DFW has a runway comparable, not sure how long Houston's longest runway is.
Paul, I don't know why you love to push Austin down saying that it has nothing on San Antonio when clearly we do. Our economy, our workforce, and our population growth are more than enough to be proud of our city. Coupled with national rankings, we are in no way out of your city's league. I could care less if Austin ever passes SA in population. Either way there is a reason why you like to bash Austin and its because of how successful this city really is. You said it ealier on the other thread how your tired of hearing people say how wonderful Austin is, well get used to it. I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.

I know Austin is the shit but I'm just saying San Antonio has a more diversified economy. Thats it. Together Austin and San Antonio will be a global region to reckon with.

[oldmanshirt]

Is it too early for this?

[JACKinBeantown]

Trains! Trains! Trains!

The key to future transportation in Mag-Lev (all budgetary constraints aside). Austin and San Antonio's downtowns are approximately 75 miles apart. Think of them as a metroplex and you obviously need nigh speed train service. Business can be conducted in both downtowns in the same day and you wouldn't need to ever get into a car. People can travels from SA to UT football games and back. Austinites will become bigger Spurs fans (and the NBA will care more about the team. People won't drive on I-35 surrounded by 18-wheelers. There are so many great potential connection between elements of the cities that will grow with easy travel.

Go SA-Austin / Austin-SA!

[Trae]

^^Yes, too early. This is fun.

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

I know Austin is the shit but I'm just saying San Antonio has a diversified economy. Thats it.

Yes.

Together Austin and San Antonio will be a global region to reckon with.

No. This actually made me laugh. A combined Austin and San Antonio region would not be much different than say Minneapolis-St. Paul. Not a "global region to reckon with".

But I do hope the ASA Rail thing gets going soon. That would be great for the region.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Jdawgboy

Once again San Antonionians are trying to use that suprerior attitude toward Austin but I think that is soon comming to an end. As mentioned ealier there is no need for Austin to move to a new airport because our airport already has room to grow, to outgrow SAT for sure even if SA built a new airport it would be years away from getting to what Austin has now. Fact... ABIA already has a runway that can hold the largest planes in the world and by the way for those who may remember back in the early 90's the space shuttle landed at Bergstrom I think in 93. 12250 feet Only DFW has a runway comparable, not sure how long Houston's longest runway is.
Paul, I don't know why you love to push Austin down saying that it has nothing on San Antonio when clearly we do. Our economy, our workforce, and our population growth are more than enough to be proud of our city. Coupled with national rankings, we are in no way out of your city's league. I could care less if Austin ever passes SA in population. Either way there is a reason why you like to bash Austin and its because of how successful this city really is. You said it ealier on the other thread how your tired of hearing people say how wonderful Austin is, well get used to it. I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.

Hah, actualy Austin people in general bash San Antonio far and wide. San Antonio and it's people are not trash talkers, only if provoked, they will only defend themselves. I never trash talk Austin, I might say San Antonio is stronger in certain areas, but, only if it is the truth.

[DruidCity]

I never trash talk Austin, I might say San Antonio is stronger in certain areas, but, only if it is the truth.

Buda beats both, because it is home to the wiener dog races and the Anti Monkey Butt Corporation: http://www.antimonkeybutt.com/aboutus.html

[Schertz1]

When you think of U.S. global cities, Houston and Dallas do not come to mind.
N.Y.C., Chicago, L.A. S.F., Las Vegas and Miami do.

Also the San Antonio/Austin region is already larger then Minneapolis/St. Paul. Even with the loss of AT&T, San Antonio is still equal to Minneapolis in F500 companies.

The shuttle has landed in San Antonio many times in the past.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Schertz1

When you think of U.S. global cities, Houston and Dallas do not come to mind.
N.Y.C., Chicago, L.A. S.F., Las Vegas and Miami do.

Really? Obviously NYC, Chicago, LA, and even San Francisco come to mind, but funny that you say Las Vegas and Miami. Both are just large world tourist places, especially Las Vegas. Nothing there makes it a global city. Miami has some that do though. Find Las Vegas for me:

Also the San Antonio/Austin region is already larger then Minneapolis/St. Paul. Even with the loss of AT&T, San Antonio is still equal to Minneapolis in F500 companies.

The shuttle has landed in San Antonio many times in the past.

Still not by much. And even then, Austin-San Antonio would still only compare to cities like Denver and Phoenix. Not become a "global region to reckon with".

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

Really? Obviously NYC, Chicago, LA, and even San Francisco come to mind, but funny that you say Las Vegas and Miami. Both are just large world tourist places, especially Las Vegas. Nothing there makes it a global city. Miami has some that do though. Find Las Vegas for me:





Still not by much. And even then, Austin-San Antonio would still only compare to cities like Denver and Phoenix. Not become a "global region to reckon with".

San Antonio alone has more F-500 than Denver, Phoenix has one. Phoenix is more of a retirement community. San Antonio-Austin combined would be far and above both Denver and Phoenix economically. Population size, San Antonio is right behind Denver.

[MichaelB]

I really dread these threads that turn into "comparative masturbation".

[Dom"n"Converse]

Originally Posted by Trae

Wait what?

Austin: Government (I mean it is the state capital), high-tech, and entertainment (movies, gaming, etc.).

San Antonio: service military, healthcare, and tourism.

And I would lean more to giving Austin finance and banking than I would San Antonio.

The difference in each city's economies can be seen in the demographics of the metro areas of both places.

If you look at this PDF on page 10, you can see for yourself, Paul is actually correct.

[bluedogok]

Originally Posted by Schertz1

The shuttle has landed in San Antonio many times in the past.

Not on space re-entry, I am pretty sure it has only landed at Edwards AFB in California and the Cape in Florida. It has flown on the back of a 747 carrying it from Edwards to Florida, that is when it probably had a stop over in SA. It has also landed at Tinker AFB, Altus AFB and I think Barksdale AFB on this cross country trip in the past. As Capt. stated, they try to land in Florida since it is very expensive to move it from California using this method. The former Clinton-Sherman AFB (now Oklahoma Spaceport) in Burns Flat (Western Oklahoma) has a 13,502 ft runway and could be used as an alternate landing site for space re-entry, but it never has been used for that.


Apple is in the middle of building out a much larger facility here in Austin.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

San Antonio alone has more F-500 than Denver, Phoenix has one. Phoenix is more of a retirement community. San Antonio-Austin combined would be far and above both Denver and Phoenix economically. Population size, San Antonio is right behind Denver.

You must not know Denver. Fortune 500 companies are not the only thing that makes a metropolitan area.

Also, you would have to add in Boulder real soon to Denver's metro, and Colorado Springs is sprawling north, as Denver is sprawling south with its rail line and all.

Originally Posted by Dom"n"Converse

If you look at this PDF on page 10, you can see for yourself, Paul is actually correct.

Yeah, he's right on finance.

[78705]

OK. Felt I should chime in on this part of the convo...

I know for a fact that San Antonio was once in the running for a new Disney park. The developer that built up the Cantera resorts and parks (La Cantera, Hill Country Hyatt, Sea World, Six Flags) had tentative "plans" to bring Disney into the area. (I've seen a picture of the developer and Michael Eisner stepping out of a helicopter on the plot of land that was under consideration.)

This was all before the Euro-Disney flop. After that fiasco, the talks ceased.

SO, there is some truth to the Disney rumors. However, the plans went nowhere.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

You must not know Denver. Fortune 500 companies are not the only thing that makes a metropolitan area.

Also, you would have to add in Boulder real soon to Denver's metro, and Colorado Springs is sprawling north, as Denver is sprawling south with its rail line and all.



Yeah, he's right on finance.

Just finance? Hmm... ok.

San Antonio is such a service town huh? Thanks Dom for the link.

[Trae]

Originally Posted by Paul in S.A TX

Just finance? Hmm... ok.

San Antonio is such a service town huh?

Yeah. There is a reason why the college graduates head to Houston, DFW, and Austin more.

Like I already said, San Antonio id more blue-collar than the other three, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[Paul in S.A TX]

Originally Posted by Trae

Yeah. There is a reason why the college graduates head to Houston, DFW, and Austin more.

Like I already said, San Antonio id more blue-collar than the other three, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Finance, Govt- National Defense, Bio-Med-Heath care, blue Collar type jobs? The smaller industries are Aerospace and Hospitality. I would like to see current breakdown of all Texas cities. I'll do some research a bit later. A Diversified economy does not equal a mostly Blue Collar town. Can't go by those lil rankings by a business magazine. They are not always accurate.