Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[Bert]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

Build it when the density there justifies it.

We could, but half the point is to shape density...

Also, why not defer a lower potential station instead, which would take longer to densify?

[flight_from_kamakura]

when the density justifies it... yeah, but it could also create that very density.

incidentally, is there another deferred station on the millennium line? this dude i was playing poker with last night insisted there was still another station to come one day, but he didn't know where (and i can't figure it out).

[twoNeurons]

There was originally a deferred station around Nanaimo ... but I believe it was shelved permanently.

There was also talk of a Station at Bell, but that was more of an alternate to the currently location of Lougheed Station.

edit: A deferred station at Cameron is probably a good idea. That way, if there enough political will to make it happen, it will.

[officedweller]

I just realized that a station at Cameron is more complex than you'd initially think.

The guideway is proposed to run down the middle of North Road - a political issue since Coquitlam is on one side and Burnaby on the other - neither wants to suffer more shadowing.

If a station at Cameron is bult, it would have to entail a high station/mezzanine configuration - like at Brentwood - to access the middle of the street guideway. That increases construction costs significantly and you would also have to incorporate cantilevered supports from the guideway columns to support the platform (or later construct ugly bents for a significant distance overtop of North Road). Not to mention being really tall and overbearing.

I can only see a "future Cameron Station" if Burnaby and Coquitlam can agree to locate the guideway on either the west or the east side of North Road. Preferrably the Coquitlam side, since it is less built-up than the Burnaby side. Hopefully the Canada Line guideway can be viewed as a good example of how a low level guideway can work.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by flight_from_kamakura

incidentally, is there another deferred station on the millennium line? this dude i was playing poker with last night insisted there was still another station to come one day, but he didn't know where (and i can't figure it out).

Woodlands.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

Build it when the density there justifies it.

Transit stations are often built where density doesnt exists so they can shape development and allow even higher density around the station to pop up.

I do agree the Cameron station is a bit too close to Lougheed and there really is not much more to redevelop in that area. But I think Cameron for sure should be made a possible future station.

The thing about that area though is that half the buses that go to Lougheed station funnel through there so the service will be good without a station anyways.

[cornholio]

^^I would actually think the Burnaby side would be better because most of the lots are still empty and ready to be developed along North road from Cameron, plus the Lougheed mall side is also available. The Coquitlam side on the other hand is full of older apartment building stretching the entire length of North road until the Burquitlam shopping center...cant wait for some of those huge apartment lots to be redeveloped.

[officedweller]

Thanks for the clarification - I was thinking of the strip malls on the Coquitlam side further south.

Best build the line before those lots are developed.
How's the clearance from the curb to the new Save-on-Foods at Silhouette?
Seems close in LeftCoaster's pic:

[mr.x]

Development along the Evergreen Line in Coquitlam, posted by officedweller:
http://www.mmpiwest.com/realestateforumswest/vancouver/downloads/2008/a3_fin_donnelly.pdf



Looks like another No.3 Road!

[deasine]

Nice promising development in the coquitlam central area. It would be interesting how TransLink will develop the land and create the new SkyTrain-WCE-Bus hub.

[jlousa]

Had to bring this thread back from the dead, they are moving along fast now, the first of the RFPs have been issued. Here's the latest on it. Don't think any surprises.

In April 2008, the Province and TransLink announced that the Northwest (NW) corridor (Lougheed Mall to Coquitlam via Port Moody) was the preferred route for Evergreen Line (“the Project”).
The Project will provide rapid transit from Burnaby to Coquitlam using Advanced Light Rapid Transit (ALRT, or SkyTrain-type technology). The purpose and need for the Evergreen Line has been long-established, with the intention of providing a rapid transit connection between Lougheed Mall in Burnaby, Port Moody and Coquitlam Town Centre. The main objectives are increasing transportation choice, supporting growth management, and supporting environmental sustainability initiatives.
Metro Vancouver continues to experience significant population and economic growth that, combined with changing regional travel patterns and expanding trade, has placed considerable strain on the transportation system. Congestion on regional roads and highways continues to increase, with growing impacts on residents, communities, the environment and the economy. The Evergreen Line will be one of a series of regional transit and transportation improvements that address these challenges, and is an important element of the Provincial Transit Plan.
The 11-kilometre Northwest Route will link neighbourhoods in Burnaby, Port Moody and Coquitlam, and will connect with the existing SkyTrain, the West Coast Express and TransLink buses. Final details on the route will be determined following more planning and design work, including stakeholder consultations.
It is currently anticipated that the route will start at the existing Lougheed Town Centre SkyTrain station and run as an elevated guideway along North Road to Clarke Road where there will be 2 km sub-surface alignment (tunnel) running north of Como Lake Avenue and emerging at the bottom of the Clarke Road hill. The route would then transition to an at-grade alignment adjacent to the south side of the Canadian Pacific Railway (CP rail) line, continuing to the Ioco Road overpass where it would transition to the north side of the tracks. The alignment would then continue eastward before transitioning to an elevated guideway northward along the Lougheed Highway to Pinetree Way. From the vicinity of Pinetree Way the route would turn northward to a terminus just north of Guildford Way (Douglas College).
It is anticipated that the Project will be completed and available for public use in late 2014.

Heres a PDF of the latest route. Maybe someone can capture it and post the image.

http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/evergreen_line/docs/Evergreen_SkyTrain_Ortho.pdf

[SpongeG]

there was talk of them using a tunnel around coquitlam centre to avoid the intersection - was that only if it was gonna more of a streetcar LRT instead of the skytrain LRT?

[Jared]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

there was talk of them using a tunnel around coquitlam centre to avoid the intersection - was that only if it was gonna more of a streetcar LRT instead of the skytrain LRT?

SkyTrain will be elevated, LRT would have had a tunnel there.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by jlousa

Heres a PDF of the latest route. Maybe someone can capture it and post the image.

Can do. Thanks for the find jlousa.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by jlousa

The route would then transition to an at-grade alignment adjacent to the south side of the Canadian Pacific Railway (CP rail) line, continuing to the Ioco Road overpass where it would transition to the north side of the tracks.

I wonder how this will be done? Over the CP tracks or under? There's no orange line on the map at that location - maybe an underpass?

[fever]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I wonder how this will be done? Over the CP tracks or under? There's no orange line on the map at that location - maybe an underpass?

Will there be a station at Ioco Road? If so, the station could be incorporated into the transition. The map shows the transition just east of the overpass.

[officedweller]

The PMC Line plans had a station at Ioco but there were several possible locations. I don't think I'd want a rail line passing directly over a station in case of a derailment overhead.

[fever]

I was thinking the station would be over the rail line because the platform would be closer to grade. The transition at Ioco is similar to the transition at Commercial, with both having a (potential) station and an overpass nearby.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

However I still do not understand how can a two-car train make a 150-degree turn at Lougheed Town Centre Station.

[SpongeG]

the plans i saw show that they will be demolishing some of the buildings along north road - i believe that one next to the white spot will be gone - possibly the bank but they have to demolish one or two and than they plan to develop the area as a proper town centre with new buildings and planning

they were renderings in the local tri-city paper once