Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[twoNeurons]

Where is Burquitlam Station supposed to be located? As for 500m, Remember the catchment area would increase as well... so it's actually an EXTRA 500m not just a matter of walking 500m.

Is that distance the direct distance, because the roads are tricky for pedestrians around that area. The closest stations I can think of are Rupert and Renfrew... and New West and Columbia. Rupert and Renfrew are about 500m and they are in LOW density areas, surrounded by big box stores. In fact, another station at Nanaimo was initially thought of as a future station.

Being that Lougheed is a major Town Centre, is relatively high density and built on a steep hill up North Road, another station at Cameron isn't THAT bad an idea... especially if the station is on the north side of Cameron.

BTW - train control, signalling, etc. is from Thales (formerly Alcatel), the rail gauge is North American standard gauge. Car dimensions would have to correspond with turning clearances, platform heights, etc. on the existing lines if they are to be interlined.

I'd love me some Hitachi LIM goodness.

[flight_from_kamakura]

that's how it works. it's the guy's job to work for burnaby, not for translink or b.c. or whatever. everyone tries for what they want and it's the province's job to balance competing demands. getting annoyed with him is ludicrous, if he didn't try for stuff like this, he wouldn't be doing his job.

[clooless]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Huge advantage....or negotiating tactic....

The PMC Line was cut by the Liberals following I think it was called the "Core Review"? to cut government spending. Since them the economy has changed. I kept trying to tell Queetz (member who moved away) that the Liberals cancelled the PMC extension but he never believed me.

That's right. I remember the Liberal government initiated a review of all spending at the time.

[GMasterAres]

Originally Posted by flight_from_kamakura

that's how it works. it's the guy's job to work for burnaby, not for translink or b.c. or whatever. everyone tries for what they want and it's the province's job to balance competing demands. getting annoyed with him is ludicrous, if he didn't try for stuff like this, he wouldn't be doing his job.

That's not why people have a bad taste of Burnaby's political group. It's because while they do that (which is admirable and as you said, required as a politician) in fighting to get stuff for Burnaby, they rip/attack and try to destroy everything else for everyone else outside of Burnaby.

I have yet to hear the Mayors of Coquitlam, Langley, North Vancouver, Richmond, Delta, Surrey, need I go on, sit on a soap box when the M-line was going on saying it shouldn't be done or when teh Canada line was decided on, say it shouldn't go in place. Why? Because they realized that while from their perspective the suburbs need to finally get attention, those other expansions are also required and ideal to help in the overall plan. All you ever heard and hear them say is "Don't forget about us guys."

The Burnaby politicians on the other hand sound like those straight out of Toronto aka everything outside of Toronto is meaningless and the only city that matters in Canada is Toronto. Same with Burnaby. They were and are against gateway, they were and are against expansion in the suburbs, they were and are against Canada line, they were and are against name any other transit or road initiative outside Burnaby's border.

That is why people have the opinions they have unfortunately. Not because he's trying to do his job and call for more stuff. With the above in the popular opinion and knowedge pool, then his pushing for Cameron street station just rings of a brat going MEMEMEMEEMEMEMEMMEEM when they have 100 toys compared to the next kid with 3 toys.

At least that's how I see it.

Now outside the debate of politics, I agree that 500 metres isn't much. Let's be real, if 500 metres is an issue for someone transportation wise aka being elderly or having difficulty in mobility, there are numerous housing complexes right on most of the skytrain stations as it is today so they should consider moving.

It would be like someone that can't drive living out on 16th Avenue in Langley then complaining because there isn't a bus stop in front of their house. I think the money could be better spent personally.

[nname]

Originally Posted by tintinium

The closest stations I can think of are Rupert and Renfrew... and New West and Columbia. Rupert and Renfrew are about 500m and they are in LOW density areas, surrounded by big box stores. In fact, another station at Nanaimo was initially thought of as a future station.

The closest stations and their approx. distance measured from google map:
Burrard - Granville (450m)
Olympic Village - City Hall (500m)
Cameron - Lougheed (600m)
Granville - Standium (600m)
Waterfront - Burrard (600m)
New West - Columbia (620m)
Waterfront - Van City Ctr (630m)
Nanaimo - 29th Ave (650m)
Templeton - Sea Island Ctr (700m)
Surrey Ctrl - King George (850m)
41st Ave - 49th Ave (850m)
Brentwood - Gilmore (860m)
Burquitlam - Cameron (900m)
Lansdowne - Richmond (900m)
Rupert - Renfrew (900m)
Commerical - VCC (900m)

* Burquitlam station is assumed to be at the same location as the 2001 plan

[Stingray2004]

Originally Posted by flight_from_kamakura

that's how it works. it's the guy's job to work for burnaby, not for translink or b.c. or whatever. everyone tries for what they want and it's the province's job to balance competing demands. getting annoyed with him is ludicrous, if he didn't try for stuff like this, he wouldn't be doing his job.

Oh man, on every major regional project Corrigan plays to the regional crowd and comes out against... Canada Line, Skytrain, Hwy 1 Port Mann Bridge/ Hwy 1 expansion, etc, etc. ... very political.

And he sure ain't speaking for Burnaby's residents. Eg.

[Burnaby residents] Do you support the twinning of Port Mann Bridge and Hwy 1?

Support: 72%
Oppose: 21%

http://www.livableregion.ca/blog/blogs/media/blogs/livable/getmovingbcpoll.pdf

BTW, Corrigan's the most miserable guy I can ever recall being a politician and in comparison he makes Sam Sullivan look great.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Stingray2004

BTW, Corrigan's the most miserable guy I can ever recall being a politician and in comparison he makes Sam Sullivan look great.

What I hate about him is how he's absurdly negative about everything. Corrigan is somehow able to turn something that is positive into something negative, or he just complains and complains, whines, and — on and on and on....

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by nname

The closest stations and their approx. distance measured from google map:
Burrard - Granville (450m)
Olympic Village - City Hall (500m)
Cameron - Lougheed (600m)
Granville - Standium (600m)
Waterfront - Burrard (600m)
New West - Columbia (620m)
Waterfront - Van City Ctr (630m)
Nanaimo - 29th Ave (650m)
Templeton - Sea Island Ctr (700m)
Surrey Ctrl - King George (850m)
41st Ave - 49th Ave (850m)
Brentwood - Gilmore (860m)
Burquitlam - Cameron (900m)
Lansdowne - Richmond (900m)
Rupert - Renfrew (900m)
Commerical - VCC (900m)

* Burquitlam station is assumed to be at the same location as the 2001 plan

Cool Thanks!

I figured the Lougheed - Cameron 500m figure was a little off.
I calculated just under 800m (600m as the crow flies).

[deasine]

Originally Posted by officedweller

BTW - train control, signalling, etc. is from Thales (formerly Alcatel), the rail gauge is North American standard gauge. Car dimensions would have to correspond with turning clearances, platform heights, etc. on the existing lines if they are to be interlined.

And other LIM manufacturers can easily adapt the SkyTrain specifications if they have the data, in which TransLink will provide. The most important part is for the train to be compatible with the train signalling. If the Evergreen Line was to open to all forms of technology while having to specify that it must work with SkyTrain, it could be done as long as it's the same train signaling, dimensions, etc. It could easily use conventional trains that are automated, but then again, it has to have its own OMC then. I remember SFUVancouver bringing this up...

Now that it's LIM, what other LIM manufacturers are there? I can think of Bombardier and Siemens, not sure about Hitachi.

[twoNeurons]

Hitachi is HUGE on LIM.

I didn't know Siemens use them.

Japan has 4 or 5 LIM powered systems... and they're becoming more and more common.

Linear-Motor Subways : The Future of Urban Mass Transit

LIM on Wikipedia

[deasine]

Originally Posted by tintinium

Hitachi is HUGE on LIM.

I didn't know Siemens use them.

Japan has 4 or 5 LIM powered systems... and they're becoming more and more common.

Linear-Motor Subways : The Future of Urban Mass Transit

LIM on Wikipedia

Correction, sorry. I meant Bombardier and Hitachi, not sure about Siemens.

Edit: Siemens produces automated rubber tired metros called: VAL, but not LIM.

Either way, I still prefer Bombardier. I would like to see some consistancy with the SkyTrain network. Hopefully we can use platform doors soon, but not for a while since they are deciding to keep the MK I trains.

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by deasine

Correction, sorry. I meant Bombardier and Hitachi, not sure about Siemens.

Edit: Siemens produces automated rubber tired metros called: VAL, but not LIM.

Either way, I still prefer Bombardier. I would like to see some consistancy with the SkyTrain network. Hopefully we can use platform doors soon, but not for a while since they are deciding to keep the MK I trains.

I'd rather see some cross-compatibility break the monopoly.

Set some universal standards for LIM rail technology, like with track guaging for conventional rail.

[Bert]

Originally Posted by tintinium

Being that Lougheed is a major Town Centre, is relatively high density and built on a steep hill up North Road, another station at Cameron isn't THAT bad an idea... especially if the station is on the north side of Cameron.

I agree. While Lougheed Town Centre isn't planned as a GVRD "regional" town centre, it seems like a logical place for one (if there's any meaningful difference between regional & non-regional town centres), at the intersection of two SkyTrain lines. It'd be difficult to develop a regional centre quickly with only one station.

[mr.x]

How about a compromise....defer Cameron Station to the future, just like how a handful of Canada Line stations have been deferred.

$70-million is an awful lot of money, and when funding is already so tight it only makes sense to build it later on.

[Nutterbug]

Originally Posted by mr.x2

How about a compromise....defer Cameron Station to the future, just like how a handful of Canada Line stations have been deferred.

$70-million is an awful lot of money, and when funding is already so tight it only makes sense to build it later on.

Build it when the density there justifies it.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Nutterbug

Build it when the density there justifies it.

Precisely.....not to mention that the major Lougheed interchange station is only a few hundred metres away.

[deasine]

Wow Mr. X2, lol you sound like your negotiating with politicians here. I would agree with that: build where density justifies it. I guess Lougheed is a Municipal Town Centre and is probably going to continue upwards.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by deasine

Wow Mr. X2, lol you sound like your negotiating with politicians here. I would agree with that: build where density justifies it. I guess Lougheed is a Municipal Town Centre and is probably going to continue upwards.

Damn straight.....Vote X for B.C. Premier in 2030.

[SFUVancouver]

^ Gordon's dynasty should be wrapping up around then and the Liberals will be looking for new blood. Go for it.

Go x2 Go!

[hollywoodnorth]

Go Mr X Go!