Saskatoon Construction - Page 201

Jonitecture · #**4001** Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 7:03 AM**

High rise in Sutherland? Market Mall? i think you people need to get your priorities straight. Our downtown as it is isn' that great, so we should really just focus our attention on it. because really, we don't need a bunch of shiny glass towers all over the city, thats dumb. keep the downtown core high density, and wait a while! although, an interesting question i have is, if we tore down all of those suburban neighborhoods, over time, and rebuilt them with town houses, small apartment blocks and a few 5-10 story apartments here and there, what population would you estimate we could shove into the physical size of the city?

Ruckus · #**4002** Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 8:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jonitecture

High rise in Sutherland? Market Mall? i think you people need to get your priorities straight. Our downtown as it is isn' that great, so we should really just focus our attention on it. because really, we don't need a bunch of shiny glass towers all over the city, thats dumb. keep the downtown core high density, and wait a while! although, an interesting question i have is, if we tore down all of those suburban neighborhoods, over time, and rebuilt them with town houses, small apartment blocks and a few 5-10 story apartments here and there, what population would you estimate we could shove into the physical size of the city?

Easily 500,000 to 700,000 (although I wonder about our water supply...we should explore environmental limitations for our city...). Encourage more high rises and 1,000,000 wouldn't be too difficult to achieve, of course the transit system and parks (among other things) would require massive amounts of funding to serve a large population in such a small area.

Manhattan is the most densely populated county in the U.S. with 1,620,867 living in a land area of 59.47 km², just under half the land area as the City of Saskatoon (144 km²)!

Manhattan has a population density of 27,256.9/km² (1,620,867 persons occupying 59.47 km²), while the entire city of Saskatoon has a density of 1,305.5/km² (202,340 persons occupying 144 km²).

Based on some rough estimates, Saskatoon's City Park neighborhood has a density of 9,273/km² (Population of 5193 occupying 140 acres or .56 km²).

Imagine all of Saskatoon meeting or exceeding City Park Density; suburbs at 9,273/km² or perhaps even double that figure, and the downtown could be triple, thus approaching Manhattan density....

Here are some Rosewood figures (One of Saskatoon's newly planned suburbs)...

Source

Wiki - Saskatoon
Wiki - Manhattan
Wiki - City Park
City Park profile - City of Saskatoon

jaysfan99 · #**4003** Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 3:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jonitecture

High rise in Sutherland? Market Mall? i think you people need to get your priorities straight. Our downtown as it is isn' that great, so we should really just focus our attention on it. because really, we don't need a bunch of shiny glass towers all over the city, thats dumb. keep the downtown core high density, and wait a while! although, an interesting question i have is, if we tore down all of those suburban neighborhoods, over time, and rebuilt them with town houses, small apartment blocks and a few 5-10 story apartments here and there, what population would you estimate we could shove into the physical size of the city?

I think I do have my priorities straight. I would also like to see more high rises downtown, but would also like to see the rest of the city grow upwards. The point that I'm trying to make is, we don't need to be taking up this much space, keep building new developments farther away. We need less cars on the roads. We are a city of only 210,000. We could implement better, more responsible city planning guidlines, and be a model for the rest of north america on how to develop.

kgc087 · #**4004** Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 5:07 PM**

Evergreen is planned to be the densist neighbourhood in Saskatoon which is good, hopefully all new proposed developments will follow this idea. I feel that with the new city plan Saskatoon will realise that a denser city will really benefit it in the long run and also help the city be true to its green nature. As well if we all want so much density why not prepare some sort of report recommending that the city pursue a denser form of development?!

subdude · #**4005** Posted **Jun 22, 2008, 5:15 PM**

Forgive my ignorance, but has the city finalized the route for the completion of Circle Drive? ie. this one:

-source: http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/org/muni...on_planning/CDSRC_Complete_Alignment.pdf

Stewie · #**4006** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 12:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jonitecture

High rise in Sutherland? Market Mall? i think you people need to get your priorities straight.

This is the kind of mentality that is so negative in our city. Not everybody has the same opinions or priorities about where they want to live. I agree that we need to promote our downtown core more, but let's be reasonable - many people enjoy the suburban lifestyle - that being in a house or a condo. You seem to think that a house on a lot is negative for this city? What about the suburbanite who utilizes public transportation, and maintains green space on their property?

Fact: If people are not provided with options that appeal to them they will simply live elsewhere.

joelpiecowye · #**4007** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 12:28 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jonitecture

High rise in Sutherland? Market Mall? i think you people need to get your priorities straight. Our downtown as it is isn' that great, so we should really just focus our attention on it. because really, we don't need a bunch of shiny glass towers all over the city, thats dumb. keep the downtown core high density, and wait a while! although, an interesting question i have is, if we tore down all of those suburban neighborhoods, over time, and rebuilt them with town houses, small apartment blocks and a few 5-10 story apartments here and there, what population would you estimate we could shove into the physical size of the city?

i wasn't meaning highrises and i wasn't meaning now, hopefully by the time saskatoon gets around 400,000 people i would like some areas to be denser with proper midrises(5-12ish stories in certain areas) with retail on bottom and residential on top. i am not saying now but hopefully sooner than later but the downtown core of course would be the top priority

here on the map that i quickly made could show posible areas for midrises when saskatoon gets a bit bigger(highrises green(downtown) midrise areas(red) and suburbia(blue)
areas like sutherland, 20th street 8th street need more people to be living in the area to give the area a good unique vibe, look what a couple midrises did for broadway

Ruckus · #**4008** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 1:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by subdude

Forgive my ignorance, but has the city finalized the route for the completion of Circle Drive? ie. this one:

-source: http://www.city.saskatoon.sk.ca/org/muni...on_planning/CDSRC_Complete_Alignment.pdf

Yes, and construction is expected to begin later this year pending completion of an environmental assessment.

Bridge building will be interesting to watch...very excited!

macca · #**4009** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 1:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by SASKFTW

Yes, and construction is expected to begin later this year pending completion of an environmental assessment.

Bridge building will be interesting to watch...very excited!

The environmental assessment process is well underway (the report itself is complete). I'm not sure of a time line, but I imagine it will receive final approval soon.

joelpiecowye · #**4010** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 1:35 AM**

correct me if i am wrong but i believe it will be done by 2011

subdude · #**4011** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 1:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by SASKFTW

Yes, and construction is expected to begin later this year pending completion of an environmental assessment.

Bridge building will be interesting to watch...very excited!

That's great, thanks.

It's just too bad my Dad never lived to see this. Man, he would have been happy to see another bridge! I'm sure he would have had a lot of criticisms (he was just that way), but deep down he would have been happy.

Ruckus · #**4012** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by joelpiecowye

correct me if i am wrong but i believe it will be done by 2011

The SP reported "traffic would flow as early as fall 2011 or as late as spring 2012".

If construction begins this fall, I'm thinking fall 2012 at the earliest...I can't recall large construction projects in Saskatoon ever completing on schedule, or on budget...hahaha!

Jonitecture · #**4013** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 3:52 AM**

To clear things up, I have nothing wrong with suburbs (sort of). i live in nutana, on a single family lot. I am just saying, although i don't want the physical size of Saskatoon to keep growing and be just another huge canadian city with lots of grass, we should stick to what we have for now, and i agree with you, once we have a reasonable population, start thinking about denser areas outside of downtown. and anyways, if we are going to build an LRT, its probably going to go through sutherland (train tracks) also because like 40,000 people, which is only an estimate, live out there in those suburban areas. sorry if i hurt anyones feelings? and btw, I don't think i have a "negative" saskatoon attitude, i live close to downtown, buy locally, am pro development and i bike everywhere. TAKE THAT!

kgc087 · #**4014** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 5:46 AM**

Did lake placid buy the available land beside Cliniskill Manor?

Ruckus · #**4015** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 6:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by kgc087

Did lake placid buy the available land beside Cliniskill Manor?

I recall another company...

Jerry · #**4016** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 12:51 PM**

The closing chapters in the history of the Barry Hotel.

Photos were taken Sunday morning June 22 2008 and some local business owners were present to view the sign removal.

It will be interesting to see what takes its place.

Stewie · #**4017** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 2:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jonitecture

btw, I don't think i have a "negative" saskatoon attitude, i live close to downtown, buy locally, am pro development and i bike everywhere. TAKE THAT!

Ha Ha Touche! Glad to hear it

Echoes · #**4018** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 2:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by kgc087

Did lake placid buy the available land beside Cliniskill Manor?

I believe that's Princeton Developments that owns that.

Wyku · #**4019** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 2:43 PM**

Apparently a movie company is intersted in shooting some scenes in the Barry which could delay its demolition. They want to shoot in a condemned hotel and it fits the bill!

kgc087 · #**4020** Posted **Jun 23, 2008, 3:09 PM**

Now that I look at it, it would have been nice to see the additional floors from the original plan added to the Barry and the hotel fully restored. Hopefully a developer will put up some low to mid rise development possibly some retail on the bottom and condos on the top, that would be a great boost to the area.