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Old Posted May 29, 2008, 3:58 PM
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Maybe I missed something... when did this turn into a Greenville vs. Huntsville thread?
i guess all it takes is one douchebag... although the bass pro shop proposed is in decatur area, not huntsville; which is fine with me because it's not a store i would ever visit.
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Maybe I missed something... when did this turn into a Greenville vs. Huntsville thread?
I was under the impression that g-man hated growth everywhere but Greenville. But look at it this way, at least we're not Charlotte.
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not that this is relevant but funny anyway..

From Saturday Night Live

Butler: Lord and Lady Douchebag!

Earl of Sandwich: Douchebag, how are you? I haven't seen you in the House of Lords in ages! Don't tell me for the first time in memory we are going to have a House of Parliament without a Douchebag?

Lord Douchebag: My dear Sandwich, Parliament has always had its share of Douchebags, and it always will.

Lord Salisbury: Spoken like a true Douchebag. I have often heard the King speak of your family.. [ to Earl of Sandwich ] ..and of yours, as well: "Give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag, and there is nothing I cannot do."

Earl of Sandwich: Hear, hear!

Lord Salisbury: So, tell me, Douchebag.. when are you going to show us that invention of yours?

Earl of Sandwich: Yes, Douchebag, just what kind of an invention are you sitting on?

Lord Douchebag: Well, it's a long story. Why don't we go out to the garden, and I'll explain it to you.

Earl of Sandwich: Tell me - did Lady Douchebag help you in the project?

Lord Douchebag: Help? Why.. she was the inspiration!

[ they exit to the garden to discuss the invention ]

Butler: Lord Compost Heap and Lady Disinfectant Cake!
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Apple's web page for the Huntsville store.

http://www.apple.com/retail/bridgestreet/
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I didn't know I was saying anything to bash the area. All I said was that it sucked the hotel developer backed out and how it was stupid that the project couldn't go forward without him. I bet daveyp would visit it too.
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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 12:09 PM
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Research Park continues it's boom

By MARIAN ACCARDI
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Northrop Grummanto break ground soon

Huntsville's office market increased by nearly 2 million square feet from 2006 to 2007, and the major force behind that expansion is Cummings Research Park.

The park is set for more growth as defense contractor Northrop Grumman plans to break ground in August on its second building in the park. It would be similar in size to the building that opened in February 2007: four stories and 100,000 square feet. The primary tenant will be the company's Kinetic Energy Interceptors office, which recently moved here from northern Virginia.

"The 13.5 percent growth in the amount of square footage on the market is pretty impressive," said Kyle Collins, senior vice president of Colonial Properties Trust. Cummings, the nation's second-largest research park, is "the juggernaut area. It's where the activity is."

Of the more than 15 million square feet in the area's three office submarkets in 2007, 11.1 million square feet was in the park.
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By SHELBY G. SPIRES
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Summit is toldcompanies seeinggrowth potential

Private jobs coming to Huntsville and surrounding areas because of decisions to move military work here could soar well past the 10,000 mark estimated, military and government officials said Thursday. But military jobs coming here don't necessarily mean that people will move in droves from northern Virginia, where the jobs are now.

However, more than half of those applying for the relocating positions come from areas outside Huntsville, such as California, Florida and the Northeast, a senior leader of the Missile Defense Agency said.

Companies are "cold-calling our office now about the potential of moving their work or expanding into defense industry opportunities," U.S. Rep. Bud Cramer, D-Huntsville, told The Times after the last session of the Tennessee Valley Corridor National Summit.

"They see this area as a growth potential and, frankly, an easier place to develop that kind of industry."

Cramer said small businesses in New York and California contacted his office because of the 2005 Base Realignment and Closure Commission decisions to move about 4,700 military jobs to Redstone Arsenal. He declined to name them, citing confidentiality pledges.

The cost of living and wages are higher in those states than in Alabama, Cramer noted, "and it makes sense that they can perform this work, or expand into it, cheaper."

In addition, he said, "large companies like Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and Boeing are already moving people and jobs here in the 50 to 60 number range, and that could grow."

The companies would perform engineering support - such as software and simulation hardware development -- to the larger companies and directly to Redstone.

Another 10,000 jobs are estimated to follow the military work, but those don't include business interests in Redstone that Cramer has seen recently, he said.

Also, that 10,000 figure "is really a conservative one," said Army Maj. Gen. Jim Myles, head of the Aviation and Missile Command on Redstone. "I expect it could be up to twice that number before it is all over."
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When this announcement was made a few months ago, some thought the Mayor or someone had jumped the gun. Maybe if everyone would quit lying and present facts it may ease everyones concern. Despite the hotel problem
this project will happen I believe. It also sounds like Mr. Hammons tried a bait and switch deal with Decatur that they didn't take, if so then kudos to the Mayor for not getting hooked.

By Evan Belanger, The Decatur Daily, Ala.McClatchy-Tribune Regional News
May 29--Two Decatur councilmen say they were misled about how well contract negotiations were going for the proposed Sweetwater development just hours before a part of the deal fell through.

On Tuesday, hotel magnate John Q. Hammons announced he would not be part of the planned 536-acre development at Interstate 65 and Alabama 20.

Unless city officials and developer Genesis U.S.A. can find another hotel company to replace the $60 million hotel and convention center planned by Hammons, the announcement casts doubt on the development's future.

But Councilmen Ronny Russell, District 4, and David Bolding, District 2, said they were shocked to learn Tuesday night that Hammons had backed out of the deal, especially since indications from Mayor Don Kyle's office that morning were that everything was progressing smoothly.

"I was told this morning by the mayor that everything was going fine and that the negotiations were proceeding very well," Russell said.

"I'm very confused, and I'm really waiting for an explanation from the mayor as to why this has happened."

Russell said the council had been told from the beginning that the Hammons' hotel was a sure thing.

"I'm incredibly disappointed," he said.

Bolding complained that the council had received few updates from the mayor's office about the development, leading some of his constituents to question if the deal was failing.

He said all reports from the mayor's office were that everything was going well with the development.

"I think (the mayor) should keep us informed as to what's going on, and that's just not happening," he said.

Both councilmen said they remain positive about the project and the city's ability to attract a replacement hotel.

'Momentum deflator'

"This is certainly a momentum deflator, but I have no doubt that the project will still work," Russell said. "It just might not work with the original hotel."

After Hammons' announcement Tuesday, Kyle said he was aware that Hammons had been involved in what he called "back-end dealings" for about three weeks.

He confirmed that Hammons had requested incentives for locating in Decatur but had been turned down.

Kyle also said the development was not in trouble and that Genesis was courting three or four other hotel companies vying to take Hammons' spot near Bass Pro.

"They're one of the premier hotel companies in the country, but they're certainly not the only one," he said of the Hammons group.

As to complaints from councilmen about being misled, Kyle said he was not going to fight the council in the paper.

He said reports to councilmen were kept to a minimum to ensure details of the ongoing negotiations did not get leaked to the public.

"You've got to be very careful with every negotiation," he said. "This thing has been fluid all along, and the more ears that hear what's going on, the more likelihood there is that it's going to get out in the public."

He also said the councilmen were free to call him if they had questions, but that he would not give a "blow-by-blow" description of the negotiations.

"If they want to know what's going on, they've got my damn phone number," he said.

Legal teams working

Kyle said Wednesday that, despite Hammons' announcement, legal teams would continue working on contracts to formalize the Sweetwater deal.

He said they had already removed language from the documents that were exclusive to the Hammons group. He could not give an estimated timeline as to when the documents would be done.

Announced by city officials in mid March, the $200 million first phase of Sweetwater development was expected to include a Bass Pro Shops Outdoor World, a 225,000-square-foot retail center and the Hammons hotel and convention center.

Barney Lovelace, local attorney for Genesis, said Tuesday that Hammons' pullout would not affect other parts of the development. He said Bass Pro and Genesis remained fully committed to the project.

"We never had a commitment from him anyway, so I don't know why he's talking like he backed out," Lovelace said.


At stake, if the city and Genesis cannot find another hotel to replace Hammons, is a $14 million general obligation bond that the city was expected to borrow to pay for infrastructure at the Sweetwater site.

Without the hotel and its steady revenue stream, city officials say Decatur likely cannot afford the debt service on that bond.

Later phases of the Sweetwater project were expected to bring entertainment, office and residential development, taking 10 years to complete.

Hammon: Just a delay

Councilman Gary Hammon, District 3, said Wednesday he was disappointed that the Hammons group had pulled out of the development, but the change would do little more than delay the project.

He said he had no doubt a second hotel chain would step up soon. He also said he had no problem with the way the mayor's office had handled the negotiations.
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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 3:18 PM
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Another 10,000 jobs are estimated to follow the military work, but those don't include business interests in Redstone that Cramer has seen recently, he said.

Also, that 10,000 figure "is really a conservative one," said Army Maj. Gen. Jim Myles, head of the Aviation and Missile Command on Redstone. "I expect it could be up to twice that number before it is all over."
So, if MG Myles is correct and we see 25,000 jobs out of BRAC, that would be enormous. Think about that. 25,000 DIRECT jobs. Those direct jobs spin off like 1.5 jobs for every Direct hire, which means a total of 50-60K new jobs in the area by probably 2012-2013 (BRAC moves should be done by 2011). Those 50K new jobs have families attached to them which means we can expect an additional 150,000 - 200,000 people in the area over the next 5 to 8 years. That just sounds insane to me.

And keep in mind that none of this takes into account any of the growth with the possible VW plant or any other markets. This is straight DoD and Contractor growth.

Wow.
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I think 25,000 direct jobs would be a HIGH estimate. I would honestly be surprised if BRAC brought in 15,000 direct jobs. And you have to keep in mind that several of these jobs are going to be filled by people in Huntsville and surrounding areas once they arrive here.
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I think 25K is high too, but even with 15K direct, you are talking 90,000+ people moving into Huntsville/NA.

As far as many of the jobs being filled by people already here, you are correct. However, those people taking the new jobs will leave holes with their current employers (most likely other contractors or government agencies). Those holes will need to be filled. Madison County has an unemployment rate of 3.0% which is barely transition unemployment and the majority of those unemployed wouldn't be qualified for these positions anyway.

Bottom line is that we could be looking at 30% population growth in Madison County over the next 5 years.
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Lunch at Bridge Street today, a lot of people about, (it will never seem crowded due to the layout and nature of the center). Plenty of workers
replinishing landscaping, fixing some tiles, checking lights etc. The Apple Store
had a lot of polishing and adjusting going on, the paper has been removed from the windows. Just an overall pleasant experience, and there are still
around 20-25 spaces available for retailers. The parking deck had quite a few out of town and state tags. Taylor Swift visited Dolce restaurant after her concert last week, nice that some of these folks visit local spots.
Impression of the Westin lobby is very clean, crisp, modern. The staff seems
very attentive and this hotel should really appeal to the business type traveler.
I still think another hotel should be made part of this, ALOFT would be a perfect fit and the perfect location would be next to DSW, (the brown patch lower left in the photo)
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I think the brown patch of land that you were referring to HSVTiger is where they are reserving land for an additional office tower if the demand is there. Not positive though.
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I think the brown patch of land that you were referring to HSVTiger is where they are reserving land for an additional office tower if the demand is there. Not positive though.
I thought it was where Wild Oats would've gonna once upon a time before they backed out?
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They should put something like a Dave and Busters there.
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I completely agree G-Man! A D&B would fit perfectly in that parcel. It would also anchor well given that there would be entertainment on both ends of the development with Monaco on the North and D&B on the South.
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Bass Pro confirms it's Decatur store,

Jun 01, 2008 (The Decatur Daily - McClatchy-Tribune Information Services via COMTEX) -- -- A company spokesman said Friday that Bass Pro Shops is still coming to Decatur and plans a Sept. 1 groundbreaking.
But Larry Whiteley, Bass Pro's manager of corporate communications, said the company needs the developer and the city to work out the financing of Alabama 20 renovations and an access road, preconditions to Bass Pro locating here.

"We are very interested in (Alabama 20 improvements)," Whiteley said. "As many people as are going to be trying to come, we have to have a way for them to get there and get out easily."
Bass Pro said Friday that it was neither surprised nor disappointed by Hammons' decision to pull out.

"It really has no impact on us at all," Whiteley said of Hammons' decision. "We're not waiting on the hotel. When we're built, even as we're being built, there will be plenty of hotels and other businesses just clawing to come in there. It happens every time."

Lovelace said several hotels already have expressed interest but, like Hammons, have not made written commitments.

"We're not dependent on whether another hotel comes there," Whiteley said.

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So, what happens if the financing isn't worked out? Sounds like nothing is confirmed yet.
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Apple

I stopped by the Apple store today at Bridge Street to pick up a car charger for my iPhone and a bluetooth headset. Very nice store, super friendly staff, great checkout process. The staff carry around wireless credit card scanners and can check you out from anywhere in the store.

I wonder what this will mean for Mac Resource?
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An informative article on the retail scene in Huntsville

http://www.al.com/business/huntsvilletim...s/1212311780303710.xml&coll=1&thispage=1
By MARIAN ACCARDITimes Business Writer [email protected]
Many new stores set to open, but several sites empty

More than a half-million square feet of retail space was added to the Huntsville market last year, most of that from the opening of Bridge Street Town Centre, the first retail introduced to Cummings Research Park.

At least another half-million square feet in shopping centers is set to open this year, many anchored by Publix or TJ Maxx.

But there's a flip side: More than 1 million square feet of retail space - from former grocery stores to a department store location to smaller shops - sits empty, leaving a vacancy rate of more than 9 percent across Huntsville and Madison, according to a new commercial real estate market report.

Scott McLain, a Huntsville-based retail developer, said he would prefer to see that rate in the 4 percent to 6 percent range.

Even with favorable economic conditions in the area, including the thousands of Defense Department and spinoff jobs expected from the BRAC process, "we do not really know what the future holds for retail real estate here," he said.

McLain, principal and broker at Coldwell Banker Commercial McLain Real Estate and chairman of the retail group of Coldwell Banker Commercial nationally, is developing Constellation at South Memorial Parkway and Clinton Avenue. That project is scheduled to include a mix of hotels, offices, shops, restaurants, condos and, possibly, apartments.

"Sometimes we think that we are doing well and the future is bright, and then sometimes we think that the national trends and malaise will spill over our bright economy," McLain told a gathering of about 180 real estate professionals, developers and bankers at a commercial real estate symposium in Huntsville on Thursday.

The national lending market and the state of the capital markets in the country affect the decisions of tenants, retailers and developers, he said.

"We now often hear that tenants love Huntsville but have no money for new stores."
The local submarkets with the highest vacancy rates are University West at 10.47 percent and South Huntsville at 10.75 percent.

Some retailers simply relocate. TJ Maxx on Old Monrovia Road closed a store across from Madison Square Mall and reopened at the new Heritage Square shopping center farther west on University.

Hobby Lobby closed a store on South Parkway to move to the Jones Farm at Valley Bend development in Jones Valley.

Barnes & Noble plans to close its store on University and reopen at Bridge Street.

Winn-Dixie's exit from the Huntsville market - and many others - in the last few years left empty grocery stores on South Parkway and University.

Madison Square

Another vacancy on the west side of Huntsville is the former Belk store at Madison Square Mall. When Charlotte, N.C.-based Belk bought the Parisian chain, it moved into the former Parisian location and closed the Belk store at the other end of the mall.

Katie Reinsmidt, spokeswoman for CBL & Associates Properties, which owns Madison Square, declined to discuss the local retail market except to say: "We're certainly committed to maintaining the merchandising mix (of the mall) and meeting the demands of the marketplace in Huntsville."

At the end of last year, the 24-year-old mall - renovated in 2006 - was 86 percent occupied, according to Chattanooga-based CBL.

By comparison, Huntsville's other mall, Parkway Place, which reopened in 2002 after an expansion and major renovation, was 93 percent occupied late last year. It's co-owned by CBL and Colonial Properties Trust in Birmingham.

Mayor Spencer said she has contacted retailers such as Macy's and Nordstrom to lure them here. Even though Seattle-based Nordstrom has announced plans for stores in Nashville and Birmingham in the next few years, "I haven't given up," she said.

She believes the outlook for retail here is healthy.

"Bridge Street (representatives) would not be talking to me about phase two," she said.


O&S Holdings, the Los Angeles-based developer of Bridge Street, hasn't publicly discussed plans to expand the massive mixed-use development.

With so many big-box retailers, drugstores, motels and restaurants already here, McLain sees opportunities for brokers and developers who have tenants lined up and for retailers that recognize the market's potential.

"Money will surface and find opportunity when it can, and Huntsville offers retail opportunities for that investment," he said.

New direction

Another planned retail, residential and commercial development is Harris Hill, a 600-acre project at Interstate 565 and Moores Mill Road in northeast Huntsville. The city Planning Commission last week forwarded a recommendation to the City Council to approve a major rezoning for that development.

"A project of this size is always going to take a number of years," said its developer, Cole Walker. "This will unfold over two to five years. We're just getting started with the infrastructure. We can move the project as fast as the market will allow."

He believes the population growth in that part of Huntsville, along with little existing commercial development in the area, work in his favor.

"Most of the retailers we've talked to feel the south and west ends of town are well-represented," he said, "but not the northeast quadrant."
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