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Old Posted May 27, 2008, 4:27 AM
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I think somewhere around 60% of vehicles on the road usually have a single occupant?
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I need a good laugh to end the day, and this article is perfect!

HAHAHAHAHA... [thump] (drops dead on the floor... followed by loud snores to wake up the neighbours)
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Who's Neil Reynolds? And how does anyone who seriously references Randal O'Toole get a job at any self-respecting newspaper?
Just ignore that stooge Reynolds....he's just a run of the mill right wing partisan hack the Globe brought in for more "balance" in the editorial ranks, as a response to conservative's incessant complaints about the paper's far left bias.

Don't even waste your time reading or reacting to anything by that dude, it is nothing but pure neo-con drivel.
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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 5:30 PM
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Statscan public transit spin is out of control
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Globe and Mail Update
May 28, 2008 at 6:00 AM EDT

Public transit is making progress of a kind in Canada – though it's not always visible.

In its report called Commuting Patterns, Statistics Canada noted last year that the percentage of Canadians who drive to work fell to 80.0 per cent in 2006, a decline – wait for it – of 0.7 per cent in the past decade. The car maintains its enduring edge over public transit across the entire country.

Thus, 78.2 per cent of Quebec commuters get to work by car (the lowest level in any of the provinces); 90.7 per cent of Prince Edward Island commuters get to work by car (the highest). In Ontario, it's 79.2 per cent.
In New Brunswick, it's 89.1 per cent. In Saskatchewan, it's 86.5 per cent.

Statscan nevertheless manages to declare a victory of sorts for what it calls “sustainable transportation” – an arbitrary classification that appears to measure advances in public transit but slyly encompasses everyone who walks or cycles to work. By this definition, an exhaust-belching bus is “sustainable” but no car ever is. From a supposedly objective statistical agency, this sort of manipulation is a perversion.

More people walk to work, by the way, than you might think. Indeed, in some cities, far more people walk to work than use public transit. In Kingston, for example, 10 per cent of workers walk and another 2.2 per cent cycle – together, three times as many people as the 3.5 per cent of workers who use public transit.

Using this lenient definition, and analyzing selected municipalities, Statscan confidently asserts a feel-good conclusion: “Between 2001 and 2006, 20 of the 25 municipalities with the highest number of workers reported an increase in the use of sustainable transportation.” By this standard, 43.0 per cent of Toronto workers now use “sustainable transportation,” an increase of 1.9 per cent (the largest increase in the selected municipalities).

Statscan finds further progress in public transit still by arbitrarily distinguishing between workers who drive cars and workers who merely ride in them. Thus: “[In the period from 2001 through 2006], there was a decrease in the proportion of drivers, from 73.8 per cent of workers to 72.3 per cent.” The agency concludes, again confidently: “The proportion of drivers is decreasing.”

But wait. We already know that 80.0 per cent of Canadian workers drive to work, right? How can Statscan simultaneously report that only 72.3 per cent drive to work? Well, quite easily – by not counting the passengers in the 10 million cars, vans and pickup trucks that (as the agency appears to imply) carry only “drivers.”

Elsewhere, Statscan concedes that 714,900 additional workers chose to drive to work in 2006 (compared with 2001) – and finds solace in the fact that a larger number still (1,000,000) chose cars over public transit in the five years from 1996 through 2001.

The proportion of commuters who used public transit did increase marginally from 2001 through 2006 – from 10.5 per cent to 11.0 per cent. Halifax went from 2.8 per cent to 2.9 per cent. Saint John went from 4.3 per cent to 4.4 per cent. Vancouver went from 11.5 per cent to 16.5 per cent – an extraordinary increase.

Helpful though this increase may have been in producing a statistical increase in public transit use, this particular success was essentially phony, arising as it did from the infamous public transit strike in 2001 (which many Vancouver drivers still recall as a Golden Age of hassle-free commuting).

On the other hand, notwithstanding its apparent rise in “sustainable transportation,” Toronto fell from 22.4 per cent to 22.2 per cent. Windsor fell from 3.1 per cent to 2.9 per cent. Trois-Rivières fell from 3.0 per cent to 2.4 per cent. Saskatoon fell from 4.1 per cent to 3.7 per cent.

In fact, the biggest real change in this five-year period was probably the increase in passengers in cars. In 2001, 6.9 per cent of workers got to work as passengers in cars; in 2007, 7.7 per cent. As Statscan does note, this was a significant increase – an honest-to-God increase of 22.6 per cent (or more than 200,000 people). In the previous five-year period, passengers had increased by only 2.7 per cent.

Public transit is important enough as a commuter service, notably in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Ottawa.

Yet there is no good reason to exaggerate this importance – especially since the subsidies provided for it inflate the use of it. Cars routinely get 80 per cent of people to work in this country. Other forms of transportation (walking, cycling, inline skating, snowmobiling, etc.) routinely get another 8.9 per cent of people to work.
(Without benefit of subsidies, these self-reliant commuters equal public transit users, or outnumber them, in five provinces.)

Here is the measure of Canada's reliance on public transit to get people to work: Newfoundland and Labrador, 1.9 per cent; PEI, 0.5 per cent; Nova Scotia, 5.9 per cent; New Brunswick, 2.0 per cent; Quebec, 12.8 per cent; Ontario, 12.9 per cent; Manitoba, 8.9 per cent; Saskatchewan, 2.2 per cent; Alberta, 9.2 per cent; British Columbia, 10.3 per cent.
All in all, only a very small minority of Canadians appear to need much help getting to work.


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Old Posted May 28, 2008, 7:23 PM
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All in all, only a very small minority of Canadians appear to need much help getting to work.
Well then, I guess we should just take it away from them!!
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There are more people using public transit in Canada than in Vietnam, a communist country. Just goes to show how much control the leftists have in this country, that people here can be even more dependent on the government and have less personal freedom than people in Vietnam.
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There are more people using public transit in Canada than in Vietnam, a communist country. Just goes to show how much control the leftists have in this country, that people here can be even more dependent on the government and have less personal freedom than people in Vietnam.
It is so terrible to be dependant on public transport. It is much better to have a car and be completelly free. Except of course that you are dependant on the political situation in the Middle-East. Plus, you have to believe in the good will of oil companies and speculator to try not to gouge you too much. With that kind of freedom, you dont need a prison!
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There are more people using public transit in Canada than in Vietnam, a communist country. Just goes to show how much control the leftists have in this country, that people here can be even more dependent on the government and have less personal freedom than people in Vietnam.
Oh god. I just facepalmed so hard.
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Old Posted May 30, 2008, 3:02 AM
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Why is someone so upset that people take transit. So what if there is a subsidy.

Also, the way the article is worded is wrong. When you count transit use country wide, you are including many many small cities, towns, and rural areas with not the best transit.

We all know transit plays a bigger role in the bigger cities, and that is where transit does make a dent in traffic, etc.

Also his stats are wrong. Over 10% of Metro Halifax residents use transit to get to work. Yes a small number, but more than the 2. something percent he listed.

Can we do better with the % of people who use transit? Yes we can. That is why we must strive to better transit and make it more attractive.
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There are more people using public transit in Canada than in Vietnam, a communist country. Just goes to show how much control the leftists have in this country, that people here can be even more dependent on the government and have less personal freedom than people in Vietnam.
Oh wow. I can't quite tell if this is a troll or not, but...

1) You're driving on public roads
2) Your driving is most likely hugely subsidized by parking/zoning regulations

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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 6:39 AM
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 2:34 PM
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There are more people using public transit in Canada than in Vietnam, a communist country. Just goes to show how much control the leftists have in this country, that people here can be even more dependent on the government and have less personal freedom than people in Vietnam.
Vietnam is poor and they bicycle to and from work - plus they live more densely and thus, closer to where they work.

How can you really make such a foolish statement and expect to be taken seriously?
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Old Posted May 31, 2008, 9:57 PM
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I think he was being facetious...
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I dunno. I like to be on guard against idiocy just in case. Maybe I have been jaded because I've been reading the Globe and Mail comment board - this kind of junk is par for the course there.
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Here's a better way to alleviate traffic congestion

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