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Old Posted May 24, 2008, 5:33 AM
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I read the article in the SP on Camecos decision on an office in downtown in the near future. This might make sense in the short term but companies that have employees spread out as much as it is stated in the article find out pretty quick it is not very economical and may not be as productive. Besides that image is always a good thing if it reflects the companies size. I guess in the end the mines come first.
     
     
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Spreading the jobs
Cameco will locate workforce throughout city instead of downtown
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Saturday, May 24, 2008

There's no Cameco Corp. skyscraper on the downtown horizon. With plans to spend as much as $2 billion during the next 10 years, mainly on three northern mines, the uranium giant's capital budget is committed, said spokesperson Lyle Krahn. Instead of building a downtown tower, Cameco is moving its workers into seven locations around the city.

"We have some fairly extensive revitalization projects in northern Saskatchewan and we really wanted to focus on those," he said. Rising construction costs and the scarcity of labour in Western Canada have forced Cameco to set priorities, Krahn said.

Cameco is still "bursting at the seams" on 11th Street, Krahn said. But through a combination of building new and leasing space, the company has found a way to double its office space, he said.

The company is trying to tap into its rich Cigar Lake deposit by 2011. The mine flooded in 2006. It also plans to spend at its properties in Rabbit Lake and Key Lake.

City officials have been wooing Cameco to build a tower downtown since at least 2006. Mayor Don Atchison said he's not giving up hope.

"They're not doing it now," he said. "That doesn't mean they won't do it in the future. One always has to keep the door open."

Krahn said Cameco's needs may change in the future, but not anytime soon.

"We're certainly set for a number of years now."

Cameco's decision to not build downtown isn't based on missing out on any specific site, Krahn said.

Terry Scaddan, executive director of the downtown Partnership, said there's still an upside for the core.

"Obviously if we'd gotten the high multi-storey building it would have been good for everybody's ego," Scaddan said. "But equally important is we're going to have a lot of Cameco employees downtown. The people are more important than the building."

In February, Tom McClocklin, president of Colliers McClocklin Real Estate Corp., predicted plans for two new downtown office towers will be announced by year's end.

The additions to the skyline will come, Scaddan said.

"We're in the early stages of a boom and we're maybe a bit anxious to have the net results shown to us."

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On the move

Cameco employees will be scattered across seven city locations by early 2009.
- 2121 11th St. West (350 workers future capacity)
- Two annexes on 11th Street (95 workers)
- 2910 Cleveland Ave. (15 workers)
- Fletcher Road (Grows from 80 to130 workers)
- Bayside building (100 workers)
- 838 48th St. East (new building, 200 workers)
- 1131 Ave. W (new building, 250 workers)

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Atchison wants trains out of city
Mayor blames CP for lack of co-operation
Rod Nickel, The StarPhoenix
Published: Saturday, May 24, 2008

The Canadian Pacific rail line helped make Saskatoon a boomtown 100 years ago, but now its presence in the core may be stifling downtown growth, says Mayor Don Atchison.

"I know they were here first, but we need to get them out of the city," Atchison said in an interview.

The mayor's irritation with railways has been building in recent years. Atchison blames a lack of co-operation from CP for the fact the city hasn't yet extended 25th Street from First Avenue to Idylwyld Drive. Car-switching between CP and Canadian National downtown is a major impediment to what could become a long-awaited redevelopment of the nearby city yards.


Traffic was tied up Sept. 4, 2007 when a train was forced to stop while travelling through the city. SP Photo by Gord Waldner

And Atchison said he doesn't want to see downtown traffic gridlocked again, as it was Sept. 4, 2007, due to a stalled two-kilometre-long CP train.

"That speaks to the situation that things have to change," Atchison said.

Saskatoon was faced in the 1960s with a choice between economic development and keeping a downtown rail line. Ultimately, CN moved its rail operations from the present-day site of Midtown Plaza to the Chappell Yards south of Montgomery Place. The city's original north-south rail line pulled out of downtown, allowing construction to start in 1964 of the Idylwyld Freeway, said city archivist Jeff O'Brien. Six years later, CN's former downtown rail station opened to shoppers.

Saskatoon still benefits greatly from having major rail lines, said city manager Phil Richards. Commodities are increasingly moving by containers. As an exporting province, Saskatchewan can't afford its cities to be too far away from rail lines.

"That we're on the main (CN) line is a big plus for all of us," Richards said.

The problem is where those strands of rail stretch across the city map.

RAILWAYS ON THE EDGE

The city's long-term goal is to see both railway companies abandon their lines within Saskatoon for new routes on the periphery. Trains may be a longtime economic driver for cities, but they can clash with street traffic and residential development. City crossings are carefully managed to limit risk, but there's no way to eliminate all danger.

Moving the railways could be "extraordinarily positive" for Saskatoon, said Kent Smith-Windsor, executive director of Greater Saskatoon Chamber of Commerce. Sutherland alone would likely see major commercial development fill in the land now occupied by the CP yards, he said.

The downside of moving is that some north industrial businesses, as well as the Robin Hood mill, need rail access. Any change in the urban rail system would have to include a solution for them, he said.

'ON THE RIGHT TRACK'

Saskatoon is one of many Canadian cities interested in moving rail lines to the periphery, although it rarely happens, said Barry Prentice, a professor at University of Manitoba's Transport Institute.

"I think the mayor is on the right track. You don't think about strategic planning next year. (Think) where are we going to be 30, 40, 50 years from now?"

Moving out of cities holds advantages for railway companies, too, Prentice said.

Local businesses have less need for deliveries by rail car than they did a few decades ago. Most rail activity in Prairie cities involves switching cars, or trains loaded with containers running right through.

A more rural location would likely save rail companies property taxes, allow them to sell prime city real estate and enable trains to run at higher speeds, improving times and reducing maintenance, Prentice said.

"Why do we need tracks through the downtown is the question mark. Or for that matter, why do we need rail tracks at all in most of the city?"

CP isn't saying no to the idea of moving out.

"At this time we don't have any intention of moving our operations out of Saskatoon," said CP spokesperson Breanne Feigel. "That said, we're always open to hear others' ideas. But it's a discussion that needs to happen not through the media."

Moving the CP line would take co-operation and cost-sharing among all levels of government, she said.

"This idea would be extremely expensive and a fairly complex plan. It wouldn't be solely a CP decision," Feigel said.

If it's the city pushing for CP to relocate, taxpayers would likely bear a big share of the costs of buying land and gaining environmental approvals, Prentice said. Cleanup costs from 100 years of rail operations might be considerable, he added.

SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS


The city's pressing goal is to work out an agreement this summer with the railways to allow an extended 25th Street to cross two sets of tracks. Related to that are talks to halt the daily car-switching between CN and CP near First Avenue and King Street.

Talks with CP on a crossing agreement for 25th have dragged on for several years, Atchison said.

"We can't get that co-operation," he said. "We need to get this project done. It completes the downtown. This can't continue to drag on. "

Extending 25th is expected to spur development in the warehouse district. It gives downtown a neat northern boundary, easing traffic flow, and creates a direct route through downtown from Highway 5.

The agreement isn't as simple to work out as it may appear, said Murray Totland, the city's man at the negotiating table. Designing a safe crossing of trains and vehicles takes planning, co-ordination and dollars. But he's confident both sides want to get there.

"I don't think CP wants to stall the project," said Totland, the city's general manager of infrastructure services.

The city is proposing a diagonal, at-grade crossing of vehicles and trains. CP wants the city to move cars through an overpass, said Feigel.

"CP continues to have safety concerns with all the proposed intersection designs," Feigel said. "This type of diagonal crossing is fairly dangerous for motorists. There are only a handful of these crossings in Canada."

CN also enters the discussions because 25th would cross its short spur line where it parks rail cars until they're switched. Once the city and railways agree, extending 25th would take two years to complete and cost $6.8 million.

Switching of rail cars poses one of the biggest impediments to redeveloping the city yards -- downtown's next biggest development opportunity after River Landing.

The city is studying the costs and benefits of moving its equipment out of the yards, north of 25th Street, to a new, undetermined site near Circle Drive with the Caswell Hill bus barns. Once the study is done, the city would need to assess environmental damage from close to a century of rail and heavy equipment use on the site, Richards said.

New homes and businesses could fill in the gap, injecting life into north downtown. Richards said optimistically it could all happen in five to 10 years.

None of it is likely if the rail-car interchange stays.

"Ultimately, I think both ourselves and both railways would love to get that operation out of downtown altogether," Totland said. "We're trying to talk with them about that: 'Instead of trying to squeeze this in somewhere downtown, could you look at doing this whole operation somewhere else?' "

CP is willing to consider moving its switching operations to a new location. But it runs five evening trains per week into downtown to serve local business customers.

"We're not willing to compromise our operations with our customers," Feigel said.

CN spokesperson Kevin Franchuk would not comment on negotiations with the city except to say they are ongoing. He would not discuss the logistical challenges of finding a new site to switch cars with CP.

Impatient pedestrians made problem worse: CP


So why were you waiting hours in downtown traffic on Sept. 4 while a CP train was stopped in its tracks?

Part of the blame falls on pedestrians, said CP spokesperson Breanne Feigel.

A two-kilometre-long freight train ground to a halt in downtown that day due to faulty equipment. The train blocked numerous intersections, paralyzing rush-hour traffic.

The train had a mechanical problem, but it also couldn't unlock cars at crossings because of locked brakes, Feigel said. CP mechanics got the part they needed and fixed the problem within an hour. It took considerably longer to move the train, however.

"The added delay was caused by impatient pedestrians who were climbing over and under the train and boxcars," she said. "There was no way our crews had any interest in starting that train until they knew it was safe to do so."

That meant walking up and down beside a train more than 100 cars long checking for pedestrians.

Contrary to reports at the time, Transport Canada didn't order CP to write a corrective action plan, Feigel said. The federal department asked for CP's safety measures and a summary of steps it took.

"They were satisfied with that."

CP has submitted its safety guidelines, confirmed Transport Canada spokesperson Jacqueline Petrus. She would not offer details on any further discussions with the railway company.

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Cameco employees will be scattered across seven city locations by early 2009.
- 2121 11th St. West (350 workers future capacity)
- Two annexes on 11th Street (95 workers)
- 2910 Cleveland Ave. (15 workers)
- Fletcher Road (Grows from 80 to130 workers)
- Bayside building (100 workers)
- 838 48th St. East (new building, 200 workers)
- 1131 Ave. W (new building, 250 workers)
That's a maximum of 1140 employees in Saskatoon. I was not aware of all these other locations and employees...probably a trick or something, trying to throw people off
     
     
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Wow that's alot of info to take in. I really REALLY REALLY!!!! would love to see the train yards relocated to a rural position outside of the city but unfortunatley I have a feeling that it wont happen and if it does I'll probably be an old man. As for the 25th street extension hopefully the city can persuade CP to move their shit out of the way so the city can go on with its proposed plans. Lets all imagine a city with no train yards and rail crossings WOW MAGNIFICENT!!!
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Wow that's alot of info to take in. I really REALLY REALLY!!!! would love to see the train yards relocated to a rural position outside of the city but unfortunatley I have a feeling that it wont happen and if it does I'll probably be an old man. As for the 25th street extension hopefully the city can persuade CP to move their shit out of the way so the city can go on with its proposed plans. Lets all imagine a city with no train yards and rail crossings WOW MAGNIFICENT!!!
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I had some free time, and decided to use my imagination. I guess since Cameco isn't going to be building anything downtown, I'll just have to play pretend.


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I would like to see something a bit more modern and unique for the Cameco building once they eventually do it. Something like these http://www.emporis.com/en/il/pc/?id=100485&aid=3&sro=1 I think something this modern almost futuristic would set a fantastic tone for Saskatoon architecture. In 10 years when Cameco looks at building a head office hopefully the city is much more cosmopolitan and something like this wouldn't be such a large endevour.
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Now that Cameco has officially put the kiabosh on their downtown office tower rumours, which company do you think will be next on the rumour list for a large scale tower project?
     
     
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one thing that doesnt make sense is that in the article it says that all their capital will be going to the mines. But did they also state in the past that they would not be building their own tower but dealing with a developer.they still have to pay rent at these other places. I say build and they will come.
     
     
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That's a good point to consider and hopefully that's really the case. That's actually what's happening with The Bow in Calgary and EnCana (and probably countless other projects), although I think EnCana started it initially then sold it to a developer if I'm not mistaken. At any rate EnCana worked a long-term lease deal with the developer so they'll be HQ'd there for a long time, but won't have to put up the capital now (i.e. 1.3 billion... ) to build the tower.
     
     
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That's a good point to consider and hopefully that's really the case. That's actually what's happening with The Bow in Calgary and EnCana (and probably countless other projects), although I think EnCana started it initially then sold it to a developer if I'm not mistaken. At any rate EnCana worked a long-term lease deal with the developer so they'll be HQ'd there for a long time, but won't have to put up the capital now (i.e. 1.3 billion... ) to build the tower.
I'm not sure what Cameco's problem is. PCS has been downtown for years, I think it is just a different company philosophy. A company with that much money should have a nice corporate head office. It sure is a shame. I wish a developer would just come forward and build something, the demand is obviously there.
     
     
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The crane is up at the LUXE site.
     
     
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A few pages back a few of us were curiously discussing Capri Place, and the Empire Hotel and Theatre. We were trying to recall/determine what happened to the Empire Hotel/Theatre.

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SASKATOON, SK – Empire Theatre – 2nd Avenue & 20th St – 1910 – Saskatoon’s Empire Theatre opened in December 1910 adjoining the Empire Hotel at the corner of 2nd Avenue and 20th Street - 1,200 seats – opened with H.M.S. Pinafore 1910 - it immediately became the city’s centre of live entertainment, featuring many of the greatest performers of the age including Harry Lauder, Sophie Tucker and Eva Tanguay; Charley's Aunt 1916;Camouflage 1920; the Dumbells 1920; Mother Goose 1929 - In – restored and called Daylight 1920s-1930 it was sold and renamed the Hub - thereafter operated primarily as motion picture theatre – sold 1942 and renamed Victory – demolished 1958 for parking for Empire Hotel
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I stumbled upon an interesting color photo...pre 1976 (e.g. pr-76).


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Other variations...


Source - Flickr - Shaun's Shots - Paris of the Prairies


Source - CtrlAltDel - Saskatoon Future Panorama


Source - 83/84 Mount Royal Collegiate Yearbook


Source - Flickr - daryl_mitchell - Skyline 1


Source - Saskatoon at Night: A full moon, a few bridges, some churches, and all the rest.


Source - Flickr - one_trick_pony - Heart of the City

Expressions in the city, what lovely portrayals...


Source - Flickr - Pixzl Creative - Skyline Kiss


Source - Flickr - Pixzl Creative - Under the Light Post


Source - Flickr - Pixzl Creative - Love is Purple

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Photo by me.

Hello little crane, when are some of your bigger friends coming to Saskatoon?
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Are there height restrictions in downtown Saskatoon that limit how tall buildings can be built?
     
     
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^only lack of imagination But seriously, I don't know of any except maybe right on the banks of the river.
     
     
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Are there height restrictions in downtown Saskatoon that limit how tall buildings can be built?
Nothing across the board. Under some development agreements (e.g. River Landing Phase I and II) the city specifies height restrictions and land uses to ensure an ideal interaction between the river and the adjacent downtown.
     
     
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/05/26/french.skydiver/index.html

A few aerial pics on the way down perhaps before he hits ye old Cameron Mackintosh airport ? At 8000 ft he should get a nice pano of Saskatoon, if he pulls out the zoom in time....
     
     
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