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Really? 'Cause I don't see that stated in the article.
I wasn't talking about that article.
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New 717 olympic billboards mark pre-leasing launch

By Stephen Friday on April 20, 2008

Reservations are now being taken for the ultra-pricey new luxury residences at 717 Olympic. Summer move-ins are anticipated, and new over-sized billboards selling the expected “glamorous urban” lifestyle were recently installed over the corner of Figueroa and Olympic.

According to the new project website, resident amenities will include concierge/bell captain services, 8th floor outdoor “orbit lounge,” large spa-inspired fitness club (with personal trainer), luxe clubhouse with private screening room, “e-lounge” with HDTV, WiFi internet café, executive conference room, wine bar and rooftop observation deck.

Floor plans range from modest 660 square-feet single bedrooms to two-story penthouses boasting 2,757 square-feet. With all that said, are the rental rates even worth discussing?
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Well, it has been a month. Any movement at the site???
I drove by the tinker toy parking structure today &, unfortunately, it's not only still standing but it doesn't appear to have been altered in the slightest. However, I admit I didn't look too closely at it. But at least no cars were parked there this afternoon, although I'm not sure if that's typical of the way its been on most Sundays in the past.


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I was wondering if they were building both Concerto towers at the same time, or they were doing one after the other?
I believe the first tower, along Fig, will be the only one under construction until its almost completed. The tower along Flower is supposed to break ground after that. The low rise condo bldg apparently will be put up at the same time with the 1st tower.

BTW, IMO the glass part of the new LAPD bldg, which I also went past today, looks pretty good.

As for the New Otani hotel two blocks east, it still hasn't gotten its new signs yet. I'm surprised the owner, who bought the hotel recently, took down the old ones so long before their replacement was scheduled to go up, whenever that is. I hope that's not an indication the new owner isn't the best operator possible.

Similarly, the new owner of the Little tokyo village, who I read was supposed to have begun overdue maintenance of the center several months ago, still hasn't done anything about the its various bldgs that look like they haven't been painted in several yrs. There's a small grocery store in there that was a surprise to me. It had a good number of customers in it too, & even though the store sells mostly asian products, the shoppers represented a nice cross section of ppl.
     
     
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Was I talking about "this day and age"?

Of course Chicago is the birthplace of the skyscraper. It started with the Home Insurance Building. And of course there is San Francisco, New York City, Boston, and Philadelphia.

My clear point is that Los Angeles began building 10-15 story buildings before many cities of the United States did.
As per usual, I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at, and sorry, but I still don't see it as any kind of a strong argument. I'm sure most, if not all of us are well aware of the fact that L.A. had a number of relatively "tall" buildings constructed early on in the last century - even the end of the century before that. However none of the ones you mentioned were exceptionally notable nationally or globally because they were generally nowhere near the tallest, or used the most cutting edge technology or whatever of their day (even while many of them were/are stunningly beautiful in their own right), therefore L.A. in most people's minds was not nor is not associated with the "skyscraper culture" that cities like New York and Chicago were/are, even if it was/is ahead of, say Phoenix or what have you. Peace, buddy.

In other news, I noticed this evening that the Cold Stone Creamery is now open at Market Lofts - went by just shy of 9 PM and they were still serving. Perhaps that's old news, but I hadn't seen it mentioned here and just saw it open for the first time tonight.
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Finally! Sidewalks have been poured in front of 717 Olympic.
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So it won't be long before we can take back-breaking photos?

I wonder why it took them so long?
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Thanks once again, Westsidelife!

MondaynightLA has some nice pics as well.
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I still want that Holiday Inn gone...not because its a holiday inn, but cuz the building is so...blah.
     
     
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Thanks once again, Westsidelife!

MondaynightLA has some nice pics as well.
Kinda not cool to quote all those pictures just to post 2 lines.

In any event, this pic shows how important LA Central (and to a lesser extent Jardin/Fig South) is to the whole LA Live radius.


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A perfectly good slam is what this park plan needs. I can tolerate the mediocrity of projects like Hanover or even L.A. Live because their purposes are largely functional, but the Grand Avenue project will be more of a statement, and in order to be successful in any way, this project needs to be an absolute homerun. Any kind of standard lowering for the park should not be tolerated. LA desperately needs a place like this.

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A grand park plan? Not really

Both visions for downtown's civic plaza are less than inspiring and raise questions about how the design will be handled.
By Christopher Hawthorne, Times Architecture Critic
April 21, 2008


When Mark Rios takes the microphone Tuesday evening at a public hearing inside Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, he'll be presenting two very different designs for the new civic park downtown. The first is what his Los Angeles firm, Rios Clementi Hale Studios, calls a "base" plan, for which the projected $56-million cost is already in hand -- paid by Related Cos. as part of its deal to develop a commercial project with Frank Gehry across Grand Avenue from Walt Disney Concert Hall. The second is an "enhanced" version showing what might be possible with an infusion of new funding.

It's beyond rare to see a project packaged this way for public consumption. It's one thing to present a design as a series of phases, to be built one after the other. But this approach is essentially a preemptive strike against possible complaint. We realize, the designers and the developer are implicitly pleading, that what we've come up with isn't particularly exciting. But budget-wise, our hands are tied. And just look at what we could do if they weren't!

The double-design strategy would be far more effective if the plans themselves had more to offer. The base plan is uninspired, a collection of scenic overlooks and arcing gardens that with the exception of some clever updates to the 50-year-old fountain on the Civic Center mall never rises past the level of brightly hued practicality. Even the enhanced design -- which adds a large pedestrian bridge across Broadway -- is largely prosaic.



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Those shortcomings raise serious questions about how the park design will be handled from here on out. When Related quietly picked Rios and architect Brenda Levin to handle the park design, they were clearly choosing to avoid the battles with superstar ego they've waged with Gehry on the commercial portion. Levin left the job last year.

Officially, Related has engaged Rios, who is trained as both a landscape architect and an architect, to produce a basic template for the park design and reserves the right to hand the job to another firm or firms going forward. That scenario, though, is messier than Related officials let on. The kind of landscape architect with the talent to bring real energy and vision to this project might reasonably insist on starting from scratch.

The park's 16-acre site poses all sorts of infrastructural and topographical challenges. [COLOR=RED]It is also a terrible spot for a self-consciously "central" and "civic" park[/SIZE] -- even in a city where those terms can be defined in fluid and nontraditional ways.

It is largely hidden from the streets that surround it, tucked away behind a blocky flotilla of public buildings. It navigates a series of complicated grade changes as it moves from Grand Avenue and the Music Center at the top of the hill to Spring Street and City Hall at the bottom.

According to Rios, ramps to deal with those grade changes and connect to underground parking will eat up about $15 million of the $56-million budget. An additional $5 million to $7 million will be required to satisfy baseline technical requirements for concerts and other large gatherings at the site.

These designs are still preliminary and largely conceptual in nature. And to be fair to Rios and his team, their client hasn't advanced the park plan in recent months with much recognizable urgency. Related has lived up to its basic agreement to fund a bare-bones project. But it has yet to leverage additional money from corporate or private donors.

Those tracking the project have assumed from the start that certain features of the park -- public art, for example -- would have to be funded privately. Related officials, who are now working with the San Francisco-based park consultant Mary McCue on programming and other issues, continue to say just that.

But we also assumed that the first unveiling of the preliminary design would include a significant announcement about public art. There was also talk of a band shell -- perhaps a smaller version of the one Gehry designed for Millennium Park in Chicago -- paid for by corporate sponsors or even by Related itself.

We'll see Tuesday whether anything is announced along those lines. At this point, Rios has simply carved out a spot just downhill from the fountain for what he calls an "art spectacle" and left it at that.

The neglected and largely forlorn park that exists now on the site is planted mostly in symmetrical fashion -- a remnant of rigid Beaux Arts planning that Rios hopes to replace with something more responsive to region and climate. His proposal is anchored by a pair of curving pathways -- a sun garden along the northern edge, where it would receive strong southern light, and a shade garden to the south.

At the top, zigzagging planted paths would bring pedestrians down from an "overlook plaza" at Grand toward the fountain, whose huge central bowl would be preserved but also made more accessible, so visitors could walk directly beneath it. Some mature existing trees would stay in place, with additional shade provided by a series of angular white shelters topped with butterfly-shaped roofs.

The Court of Flags would be vastly opened up, with the flags themselves pushed back toward the perimeter of the space. At the bottom of the hill, a large "event lawn" would face City Hall, with terraced seating along its western edge and a cafe and marketplace to the south. In the enhanced version, the two parcels in the middle of the park would change more dramatically than the ones at the top and bottom of the hill. The Court of Flags would be flanked by two rows of those colorful butterfly shelters, framing a view of City Hall, with a narrow water feature running down the middle.

A pedestrian bridge would twist over Broadway, one of several attempts to give the park a dramatic visual presence for drivers approaching or moving through the site. And a series of six to eight "curated gardens" sprinkled across the site would give a range of other landscape architects or artists a chance to add to the park design.

Many of these elements, if less than stunning, are perfectly attractive. The key question at this stage is whether they create a total vision for the park capable of inspiring the public and motivating potential funders at the same time. Proposals such as these are as much marketing vehicles as design studies. They need to kick-start the imagination even as they untangle practical problems.

Although Rios hasn't put a dollar figure on the enhanced version, his design suggests that the park can't really be executed to any degree of sophistication for less than about $100 million. For comparison's sake, Seattle's 9-acre Olympic Sculpture Park, which opened last year on a similarly complicated parcel of waterfront land, had construction costs of about $45 million. Of its total price tag of $85 million, more than $60 million came from private sources.



'The Bean'

Chicago's hugely popular but budget-busting and much-delayed Millennium Park, meanwhile, which covers roughly 25 acres, cost about $475 million, $200 million of which was raised privately. Its iconic piece of public art, Anish Kapoor's "Cloud Gate," affectionately known as "The Bean," ultimately cost $23 million all by itself. Gehry's snaking pedestrian bridge, which is as much sculptural public-art piece as walkway, cost $14.5 million.

You could make a pretty good case, of course, that every penny of that $475 million was worth spending in the end, since Chicago now has a stunning landmark of contemporary design that will generate tourist revenue for the city, and various kinds of goodwill, for decades to come. But that debate seems largely irrelevant here, since the prospect of raising Millennium Park-level private money for our park seems remote. Related has put in an application for up to $30 million from the state's new bond fund for parks but has said little about other imminent sources of funding.

Landscape architecture has become the most dynamic of the design disciplines over the last five years or so. Not just in Chicago and Seattle but also in New York, Cairo, Singapore and elsewhere around the world, landscape architects are turning greenery into genuine civic momentum.

In downtown Los Angeles, that prospect seems as distant as ever.

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That model pic is great! It also shows the importance of the lots sitting directly north and south of the Holiday Inn across from LA Live. A couple 30-40 story towers with good street presence and pedestrian activation on either side of the Holiday Inn would make that area five times as contigous - and vibrant. And even though you can't see it, the empty lot that was the Robinson store on 12 and Flower will be an important pedestrian connection for Evo as well as the Blue Line stop.

If anything, this shows that even with all these projects moving forward, there's still plenty of potential for the years ahead.
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About the park: I agree they really cant screw this up. It needs to be an inviting park that 'plain in any sense. Some iconic things would be helpful.

About LA Central: I like the project, but I wish developers would put the large centerpiece buildings of their projects along the main roads. I think the project would be twice as good if the tower was on the corner of Fig instead.
     
     
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They started installing the glass on the western side of 717 Ninth. The picture was taken with a cell phone camera, so the quality is nothing to be proud of. Hopefully someone will take a picture with a better camera soon



Also, the Hanover finally got its front banner:

     
     
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