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Old Posted Apr 19, 2008, 9:01 PM
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Very true, if the province places it anywhere BUT downtown they obviously dont care about downtown Moncton...because without this development there will be MANY upset businesses, and I personally dont like seeing that...in a gorwing city we should not have trouble with urban development, the backward ideas of suburban development are foolishness, once we invest more into downtown and make it more attractive to locals, tourists and business people...THEN we can develop the finge areas...but I mean within the past 3 years there have been about four new hotels built on the fringes of the city, one of which is six stories! I guess money talks and its makes more sence money wise for a hotel to be built right beside the highway...oh well, Im hoping this year will bring some nice urban projects *crosses fingers*
Very well said Matt. The thing I really appreciate in regard to that analysis is the fact KMPG-the firm that launched the last market assessment - was clear, Moncton downtown was the more suitable/profitable/viable place to get it done in the province and the firm still is involved in process. Moreover, the suburban supporters used to say : " there is no place in downtown to get done a such project, downtown is not a tourist magnet". Bullshit, there is a lot of room in downtown to get it done properly , just to take a look at the GOTTSCHALL project to see what we could acheive with limited space.
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Very well said Matt. The thing I really appreciate in regard to that analysis is the fact KMPG-the firm that launched the last market assessment - was clear, Moncton downtown was the more suitable/profitable/viable place to get it done in the province and the firm still is involved in process. Moreover, the suburban supporters used to say : " there is no place in downtown to get done a such project, downtown is not a tourist magnet". Bullshit, there is a lot of room in downtown to get it done properly , just to take a look at the GOTTSCHALL project to see what we could acheive with limited space.
I'm pretty confident downtown will be picked.

Being at the edge of town could have one advantage though:

The beaver lumber lot would finally be out of Verdiroc's control! I think city council would be pretty quick to tell them that they've had more than enough time to do something, and if they contiue to dilly dally, somebody else will get a chance.
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I'm pretty confident downtown will be picked.

Being at the edge of town could have one advantage though:

The beaver lumber lot would finally be out of Verdiroc's control! I think city council would be pretty quick to tell them that they've had more than enough time to do something, and if they contiue to dilly dally, somebody else will get a chance.
The only advantage but a huge one ! So we should keep our finger crossed that the courthouse won`t land on this lot. Anyway, if Verdiroc lose and the courthouse is being built away of it, the city could try to acheive a master plan along with the private. In some extent it could even include Assumption parking lot and the Correctional Centre.

They could do a REAL requests for proposals.
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Mayor race heats up
Candidates have side-by-side discussion about their plans for leading Moncton

By Brent Mazerolle
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Saturday April 19th, 2008
Appeared on page A1

Editor's note: The two men who want to be the next mayor of Moncton sat down together with the Times & Transcript's editorial board yesterday to show where they stand on the issues. A coin toss determined who answered the initial question first, and the candidates alternated after that.

Here's what they have to say about some of the things that matter to you:

Times & Transcript: What's the very first major item you will pursue as mayor?

Pierre Michaud: I would like to lead council into performing better. The first thing would be to sit down with council and look at what we need to function as a council. I think this is a very important election because right now there are at least four new seats. I don't think the training (of new councillors) in Fredericton is sufficient. As mayor, you are the leader of council. You have to establish the relationship and after that get down to work.

George LeBlanc: I agree getting council pulling together in the same direction, with city staff, on priorities is very important. One of the very first things I intend to do though is take a hard look at the tax rate in the city and how the city spends money. I intend to create a special committee which will review the way the city spends money and the level of taxation we have, and to have it report back to council within four months. It will advise and make recommendations on whether we can cut the level of taxes while still meeting the important goals we have set for the city.

T&T: What leadership will you bring to jump-starting downtown development?

LeBlanc: What I would like is to get council to make its priorities on what it would like to do with downtown development and look at how we might put together a proposal for a multi-use facility downtown -- it might include an arena, it might include convention facilities, it could also include entertainment and museum space -- but a multi-function facility that would really get downtown moving.

Having said that there would have to a realistic plan for financing it. It has to be economically feasible and we have to get a proper business plan. But that is one way we can really get things moving.

Michaud: Over the past few months I've been walking downtown and seeing restaurants and stores closing and second and third floors empty. That's a fact. We need to densify the downtown area and we need more people living in the downtown area. We need more businesses in the downtown area to create this downtown. As far as other things in the downtown, we'll have a justice building being built. The police station is one of the things that has to come up at some point and council will have to decide do we want to be in the business of owning this premises or should it be somebody else?

And of course, in order to densify the downtown area the most likely thing we could see is possibly the movement of the coliseum to downtown, but not the way it's set up now. It has to be multifunctional and has to answer the needs of people downtown. Most importantly it has to be something the population wants. We need a downtown, but how much money can we spend on it?

T&T: The amount of property tax collected by the City of Moncton has grown to $85 million in 2008 from $55 million, a jump of 55 per cent in a period where inflation climbed by less than 10 per cent. Will you work to lower the tax rate?

Michaud: I think what we have to do is be creative. We have to try to maintain the tax rate and at one point I think we will have to lower it because competition from neighbouring cities will force us. Being cost effective and how tax dollars are being spent, we will have to look at that. We also have to look at where in the budget have we seen major increases and can we control these expenses?

The minute you create an asset in this city, you have to maintain it and remember in the long run you will have to replace it. The Moncton Coliseum is a good example. The coliseum is costing the city a lot of money. Is it producing revenues? Yes. But is it cost effective? Should we be looking at a different kind of coliseum that is more cost effective? That's the way you'd be lowering expenses.

There are only a few ways to cut taxes. You have to cut services. If you cut services, the next council will have to decide how much of your money we want to spend on recreation, the fiscal on protection and so on. Some of these budgets are quite fixed, like the police contract.

The biggest challenge for the new council is the four main collective agreements with city employees will come to maturity. We need to start planning on that. The press in December (on senior management salaries) makes one thing sure, the unions are going to come out and ask why this has happened.

LeBlanc: Will I try to lower taxes? The short and simple answer is yes.

I have always been concerned about the levels of taxes we pay to all levels of government. I'm also very concerned that we have to spend our money carefully. As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay any more taxes than I have to. I fundamentally believe a fair and competitive tax rate is absolutely essential to this being a prosperous city. If taxes are too high then people and businesses are not going to want to come here. My pledge is that I will lead a council that is very careful in how it spends taxpayers' dollars and that we will find a fair and competitive tax rate.

The two fundamental pillars of my vision and action plan are that in everything we do we try to focus on and enhance the quality of life in the city, and secondly that we will aggressively seek opportunities for prosperity.

In the past four years the budget of the city has grown by $40 million. We have to recognize that has been in part because of the growth of the city. But we also have to realize every single dollar of those increases has been committed or spent. I think we have to do everything we can to keep that tax rate competitive and to try and reduce taxes, provided it doesn't impair our ability to meet those two pillars I have.

T&T: Policing costs have doubled in the 10 years since the RCMP has taken over policing our streets and the costs keep rising because of salaries imposed by Ottawa. Will you look at a return to a municipal police force? Is that an option?

LeBlanc: I come back to my fundamental about enhancing quality of life. Feeling safe and secure in this community is an absolutely essential part of that. That's one of the factors of building a community people want to live in and want to come to. The RCMP are doing a great job, working hard for the people of Moncton. Having said that, I think it's very, very important for the administration of the RCMP to understand that cost is a very significant issue for this community. Council has to take a very hard look at the cost and work with the RCMP to see how those costs can be reduced. As for returning to a municipal force, it seems to me that's an extremely significant decision that I would want input from the community on before making that decision. That's the kind of decision the community would want to be involved in.

Michaud: We will have to look at that before the contract matures in 2012. We will have to look at how we police. Can we afford RCMP when we have no control over that expense? Or can we find enough police officers to police this community with the types of crimes we have now? We have organized crime, prostitution, drugs and now we're starting to see commercial crimes. Can we handle all of that and do we have a facility in Atlantic Canada that can train these police officers for the size of the city we have and the growth we're experiencing?

T&T: There is at least a perception that City of Moncton staff have too much authority and council has too little. What are your thoughts on this?

Michaud: It's one of the 32 statements in my platform. My past performance in every business has been governance, has been looking at transparency. It's looking at what we give as a contract to our (city) manager and how often does he have to report back. I was amazed in December's budget process that it had been 19 years since the city manager has been in place and no one has questioned the salary increases nor the position increases over those years. It's not normal that you do that. You have an employee, but you still have to give an employee working orders and have them report back to you. If within these orders he cannot perform, he has to come back to council. Secret meetings. There's a need for secret meetings. Some things have to be secret. But there needs to be more transparency. The council needs to connect with citizens, and that's what I plan to do.

LeBlanc: I've been going door to door and talking to people in the community and I agree there is that perception among some people that perhaps council doesn't have enough control over things. I would say this first of all. It's pretty clear that the mayor and council have to assume a leadership position with respect to the priorities of the City of Moncton. It's also very clear the mayor and council are ultimately accountable to the people of the city. That's where it all has to start from. The strategic direction and energetic leadership has to be shown by the mayor firstly and secondly by council.

Having said all of that, I know we're blessed with a very professional and energetic staff at city hall. The challenge is to get everybody pulling in the same direction.
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Moncton: Pierre Michaud mise sur le centre-ville
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Mise à jour le vendredi 11 avril 2008

MONCTON - S'il est élu maire de Moncton le 12 mai, le développement du centre-ville se retrouvera en tête de liste des priorités de Pierre Michaud. Toutefois, il estime que la municipalité doit abandonner l'idée de financer la construction d'un centre des congrès, un projet beaucoup trop dispendieux.

Pierre Michaud a lancé son programme électoral devant une quarantaine de partisans réunis au Théâtre Capitol, hier midi. Les grandes lignes de ce programme s'articulent surtout autour du développement économique, mais aussi du développement social et communautaire.

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So far, I think my vote will go to Leblanc.
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So far, I think my vote will go to Leblanc.
Probably for myself as well, basically whichever seems more apt to promote downtown development is #1 on my list
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Awesome shots!! That first one is amazing
Fantastic shots

The first one is my new wallpaper
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Fantastic shots

The first one is my new wallpaper
Me too, and I asked the photographer if I could use it on Wikipedia
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Reminds me of a certain tune.
I hate traffic lights
I hate traffic lights
I hate traffic lights

I always want to finish it with "but only when they're green", but that makes no sense, just how I remember it. Then again, foolish songs like that often don't make any sense.
Anybody else know the one I'm talking about or am I just a weirdo.
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Reminds me of a certain tune.
I hate traffic lights
I hate traffic lights
I hate traffic lights

I always want to finish it with "but only when they're green", but that makes no sense, just how I remember it. Then again, foolish songs like that often don't make any sense.
Anybody else know the one I'm talking about or am I just a weirdo.
It's been my experience that the times I think I'm crazy for thinking something, I'm usually right.

However, I'm awesome that way
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Wait a sec, I just remembered, it isn't "I hate traffic lights", it's "I like traffic lights (x3), but only when they're green". I think it was one of those fringe songs that my older sister liked for being so stupid (she's weird like that).

I'm not crazy afterall! Ok, I am, but not because of that!
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It is hard to speculate on a such project mainly when you do not know much about development assessment but I just get it done according to what have been done elsewhere.

:: Verdiroc / Ashford Properties / Paragon Gaming / Cyr Holding / Marriott Int. ::

:: Casino ::

Components :: 600 to 800 slot-machines
Size :: 70 000 S/F
Cost :: 100 to 130 million-dollars

:: Hotel (Marriott/Cyr) ::

Number of Rooms :: 150 to 250
Cost :: 20 to 30 million-dollars

:: Convention center / Performance Venue / Restaurant ::

Convention center

Size :: 60 000 S/F
Cost :: 30-million dollars

Performance Venue / Restaurant

Number of Seats :: 1500
Cost :: 10 to 15 million-dollars


Total :: 160 to 205 million-dollars
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It is hard to speculate on a such project mainly when you do not know much about development assessment but I just get it done according to what have been done elsewhere.

:: Verdiroc / Ashford Properties / Paragon Gaming / Cyr Holding / Marriott Int. ::

:: Casino ::

Components :: 600 to 800 slot-machines
Size :: 70 000 S/F
Cost :: 100 to 130 million-dollars

:: Hotel (Marriott/Cyr) ::

Number of Rooms :: 150 to 250
Cost :: 20 to 30 million-dollars

:: Convention center / Performance Venue / Restaurant ::

Convention center

Size :: 60 000 S/F
Cost :: 30-million dollars

Performance Venue / Restaurant

Number of Seats :: 1500
Cost :: 10 to 15 million-dollars


Total :: 160 to 205 million-dollars
Thanks! Thats probably a bit of a lofty estimate for this casino though, Id probably ball park it more around the 100 million dollar range...but to tell you the truth I hope you are right! injecting 200 million dollars into a downtown is always a good thing thats for sure
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Thanks! Thats probably a bit of a lofty estimate for this casino though, Id probably ball park it more around the 100 million dollar range...but to tell you the truth I hope you are right! injecting 200 million dollars into a downtown is always a good thing thats for sure
You are likely right so the Paragon Gaming in Edmonton was 178 -million without a convention center. I hope the Verdiroc project will be valuable because the Magnetic hill going to be huge, thats for sure.
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You are likely right so the Paragon Gaming in Edmonton was 178 -million without a convention center. I hope the Verdiroc project will be valuable because the Magnetic hill going to be huge, thats for sure.
Really? So I suppose a casino plus convention center and hotel could be in the 150-200 million range, thats a nice thought...I hope we end up with a nice hotel tower out of this at least...Im hoping for more than 6 floors on this one, 8 would be awesomely amazing, and 10 would be the best thing ever to happen...heres hoping!!
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Really? So I suppose a casino plus convention center and hotel could be in the 150-200 million range, thats a nice thought...I hope we end up with a nice hotel tower out of this at least...Im hoping for more than 6 floors on this one, 8 would be awesomely amazing, and 10 would be the best thing ever to happen...heres hoping!!
Well, the project in Edmonton includes Casino/Hotel (260 rooms)/restaurant and a arena (4-ice Tim Horton style). Frankly, If thats project end-up downtown, it would be surprising to get a hotel under 6-story.

I could say humbly I think the fact Magnetill is completely dead in winter period while a downtown location could be valuable all year long could be a favorable factor for Verdiroc.
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Youre right, Magnetic hill is not alive during the winter, as all the activities are outdoor summer oriented things (water park, zoo etc) whereas downtown is more winter geared with indoor activities like champlain place and crystal palace near by. So this could help the decision.

I looked up the River Cree casino one (paragons venture in Edmonton) looks pretty nice:


Credit:www.merrittandharris.com

Looks like 9 stories to me...and the hotel is a Marriott as well.

Here it is U/C in 2005...man what I would give to have that in downtown Moncton right now Cant wait for that announcement

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