The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Just one of these buildings could be great !

Very true, what would be amazing is if something like this was built for the casino/convention center/hotel/retail project which we could see approved soon...I highly doubt it would happen, but its a nice thought

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Very true, what would be amazing is if something like this was built for the casino/convention center/hotel/retail project which we could see approved soon...I highly doubt it would happen, but its a nice thought

Well, just the fact someone had proposed something like that in this city represents a huge step forward as well as great improvement. Franckly, this project blow out the water all projects I`ve seen up to now in Moncton.

That could work with the support of the City hall attached with a huge marketing plan in order to lease apartment / condo units. Moreover, the anchor could have been the courthouse, the 15/18-story building along Main street proposed on the rendering is quite suitable for the courthouse project.

A such high-end project can only draw attention and quality tenants. Actually, I don`t think Moncton city council could approve a such ambitious project, they prefer to focus on 4-story concrete building (sarcasm)

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Well, just the fact someone had proposed something like that in this city represents a huge step forward as well as great improvement. Franckly, this project blow out the water all projects I`ve seen up to now in Moncton.

That could work with the support of the City hall attached with a huge marketing plan in order to lease apartment / condo units. Moreover, the anchor could have been the courthouse, the 15/18-story building along Main street proposed on the rendering is quite suitable for the courthouse project.

A such high-end project can only draw attention and quality tenants. Actually, I don`t think Moncton city council could approve a such ambitious project, they prefer to focus on 4-story concrete building (sarcasm)

hahaha very true Erick a project like this could easily be a great success if it was supported properly with marketing and whatnot, and I'm sure it would draw considerable attention just for being so awesome! I hope quality development is on the next city governments mind more-so than the current (not that there were not quality projects built during the time of Mitton et al, but they just didnt support enough I feel...for example the stupidness of the veridoc development etc)

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

hahaha very true Erick a project like this could easily be a great success if it was supported properly with marketing and whatnot, and I'm sure it would draw considerable attention just for being so awesome! I hope quality development is on the next city governments mind more-so than the current (not that there were not quality projects built during the time of Mitton et al, but they just didnt support enough I feel...for example the stupidness of the veridoc development etc)

You`re right, the current city council made a decent job overall but the Verdiroc issue make me forget everything else. Moncton have to grab opportunities when it comes mainly when the city handles "major league development" like this.

Anyway, I am just quite curious to know the status of that project and who proposed it.

[Smevo]

That project would be great, doubtful that it's too serious (or at least near to realization) since nobody heard about it before though.

As for the roundabout, not sure where it is offhand, but roundabouts seem to be the new trend in major intersection design, judging from recent proposals. If you want to picture what a 5-legged traffic-light-controlled intersection would look like (and work like), picture the Smythe/King/Brunswick/Woodstock intersection in Fredericton. There are a couple of examples elsewhere too, but that's one that should be familiar to at least Matt and Myles anyway.

[mylesmalley]

The roundabout is supposed to be at the junctions of Colashaw, Killam, Edinburg, some other street, and the extension of the road through the Commons, which I think is called Russ Howard Lane.

Good point Smevo. I HATE that intersection, too. For some reason, I always take the wrong street there.

[ErickMontreal]

GOTTSCHALL SQUARE PROPOSAL



:: Ownership ::
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1 :: Heritage Properties :: For Sale : $4 200 000

2 :: Suzanne Trottier ::

3 :: Riverview Plaza Ltd :: For Sale : $425,000

4 :: Gale RayJal ::

5 :: Mapleton Place Development ( Custums Building ) ::

6 :: CAA Building ::

7 :: Housing subdivision ::

[ErickMontreal]

Well, even though that proposal still on devlopement it would be more difficult than I though to get it started. It could cost to the promoters around 7-9 million dollars just to buy the lands. Moreover, they need to clean the whole land before the first shoveling in aim to get built the underground parking lot.

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Well, even though that proposal still on devlopement it would be more difficult than I though to get it started. It could cost to the promoters around 7-9 million dollars just to buy the lands. Moreover, they need to clean the whole land before the first shoveling in aim to get built the underground parking lot.

A lot of money. At the same time though, two towers that tall would probably clost 80 million or more. I don't know a lot about property development, but I'd think 10 to 20 percent of your total costs being for property and site preperation would be fairly reasonable.

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

GOTTSCHALL SQUARE PROPOSAL



:: Ownership ::
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1 :: Heritage Properties :: For Sale : $4 200 000

2 :: Suzanne Trottier ::

3 :: Riverview Plaza Ltd :: For Sale : $425,000

4 :: Gale RayJal ::

5 :: Mapleton Place Development ( Custums Building ) ::

6 :: CAA Building ::

7 :: Housing subdivision ::

Nice map! where do you get all that info though?

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Nice map! where do you get all that info though?

Thank you. I got it from Colliers International (Moncton) website. They are the broker for Heritage Properties.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

A lot of money. At the same time though, two towers that tall would probably clost 80 million or more. I don't know a lot about property development, but I'd think 10 to 20 percent of your total costs being for property and site preperation would be fairly reasonable.

Good point and estimate Myles.

I dont know more about development.

:: My estimate ::

Residential Tower (100 to 200 apartment/condo units) :: $25 to $30-million
Office Tower/Restaurant/Retail (15/18-story) :: $20 to $30-Million
Convention Center / Hotel :: $30-Million
Parking-Lot (500) :: $10-Million
Property and site Preperation :: $10 to $15-Million

To me this projet could cost $95 to $115-Million dollars

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Smevo

That project would be great, doubtful that it's too serious (or at least near to realization) since nobody heard about it before though.

As for the roundabout, not sure where it is offhand, but roundabouts seem to be the new trend in major intersection design, judging from recent proposals. If you want to picture what a 5-legged traffic-light-controlled intersection would look like (and work like), picture the Smythe/King/Brunswick/Woodstock intersection in Fredericton. There are a couple of examples elsewhere too, but that's one that should be familiar to at least Matt and Myles anyway.

Yes that intersection is retarded, I always hate turning left from Smythe to Woodstock...I always feel like Im gonna end up in the wrong place haha, I feel bad for new people in the city who drive through there for the first time :S scary stuff.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

GOTTSCHALL SQUARE PROPOSAL



:: Ownership ::
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________

1 :: Heritage Properties :: For Sale : $4 200 000

2 :: Suzanne Trottier ::

3 :: Riverview Plaza Ltd :: For Sale : $425,000

4 :: Gale RayJal ::

5 :: Mapleton Place Development ( Custums Building ) ::

6 :: CAA Building ::

7 :: Housing subdivision ::

Nice map! you should send it to the people who proposed it haha, bet you they dont even know this much! haha

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Good point and estimate Myles.

I dont know more about development.

:: My estimate ::

Residential Tower (100 to 200 apartment/condo units) :: $25 to $30-million
Office Tower/Restaurant/Retail (15/18-story) :: $20 to $30-Million
Convention Center / Hotel :: $30-Million
Parking-Lot (500) :: $10-Million
Property and site Preperation :: $10 to $15-Million

To me this projet could cost $95 to $115-Million dollars

Id say thats a fair estimate, a lot of money, but Im sure they would see a good return if they did it right.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Id say thats a fair estimate, a lot of money, but Im sure they would see a good return if they did it right.

Well, like you said, the income for both the city and the promoters for a such projet could be quite considerable. If we look at it, its not that much it could be roughly the same cost bracket than Uptown Dieppe.

Just imagine the impact of it on the skyline make me dreaming

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Well, like you said, the income for both the city and the promoters for a such projet could be quite considerable. If we look at it, its not that much it could be roughly the same cost bracket than Uptown Dieppe.

Just imagine the impact of it on the skyline make me dreaming

Yeah, if I had photoshop nearby I could do up a little sketch of it...dreaming is fun, but Im very excited to see some more realistic proposals, which we should be soon for the casino progect as well as the courthouse.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Yeah, if I had photoshop nearby I could do up a little sketch of it...dreaming is fun, but Im very excited to see some more realistic proposals, which we should be soon for the casino progect as well as the courthouse.

Frankly, I still think the Casino project got to be located Downtown, I could be quite ennoyed to see it out of the core. The long-term impact of it could be enormous for the downtown and on the viablities of handfull small and mediem-sized business that are waiting too long to get something built.

[ErickMontreal]

The GOTTSCHALL proposal is the kind of project I wished for too long, I mean SJ will get a similar project, why not Moncton ?

Of course, this is prematured and inappropriate to talk about it as something serious but it deserves we try to know more about it.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

Frankly, I still think the Casino project got to be located Downtown, I could be quite ennoyed to see it out of the core. The long-term impact of it could be enormous for the downtown and on the viablities of handfull small and mediem-sized business that are waiting too long to get something built.

Very true, if the province places it anywhere BUT downtown they obviously dont care about downtown Moncton...because without this development there will be MANY upset businesses, and I personally dont like seeing that...in a gorwing city we should not have trouble with urban development, the backward ideas of suburban development are foolishness, once we invest more into downtown and make it more attractive to locals, tourists and business people...THEN we can develop the finge areas...but I mean within the past 3 years there have been about four new hotels built on the fringes of the city, one of which is six stories! I guess money talks and its makes more sence money wise for a hotel to be built right beside the highway...oh well, Im hoping this year will bring some nice urban projects *crosses fingers*