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Old Posted Apr 13, 2008, 6:36 PM
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However, to be honest, LA really isn't as good as I'd like it to be cuz Beverly Hills is too much like Mission Viejo. Or, come to think of it, it's cuz Mission Viejo is too much like Beverly Hills. Or, actually, the problem is that Beverly Hills is too much like LA Live. Or LA Live is too much like Times Sq. Or Times Sq is too much like SaMo. Or SaMo is too much like DTLA. Or DT is too much like Hollywood. Or hollywood is too much like Long Bch. Or Long Bch is too much like Mission viejo.

I'm so confused.
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Great post, and wonderful pictures citywatch. Hopefully they will work within the confins of taste in the design work.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2008, 11:02 PM
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I think it would be cool to have a tram like this one running through the main Financial District from South Park to the Music Center. This tram just needs a certain type of guideway and runs on rubber tires so it could run in mixed traffic without having to install heavy rail whic is much more expensive and more of a pian. This is like a quick-install easy to use tram. Plus the stations wouldn't even need a special raised platform. I guess you could say it's like a long bus on a fixed quidway. It could handle west Dontown while the Red Car could handle east Downtown. (Picture of tram from Hilton Waikoloa Village Resort in Hawaii)


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I think it would be cool to have a tram like this one running through the main Financial District from South Park to the Music Center. This tram just needs a certain type of guideway and runs on rubber tires so it could run in mixed traffic without having to install heavy rail whic is much more expensive and more of a pian. This is like a quick-install easy to use tram. Plus the stations wouldn't even need a special raised platform. I guess you could say it's like a long bus on a fixed quidway. It could handle west Dontown while the Red Car could handle east Downtown. (Picture of tram from Hilton Waikoloa Village Resort in Hawaii)
Won't the downtown connector basically accomplish the same as you're proposing when (if?) it is completed, wherein trains will run one block east of Staples Center/L.A. Live/Convention Center (on the current Blue Line right of way) with a stop at Pico, a stop at 7th/Metro, and then a few exact locations to be determined (but likely (hopefully?) near the Music Center and "The Grand" development and on to Union Station?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 1:51 AM
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I think it would be cool to have a tram like this one running through the main Financial District from South Park to the Music Center. This tram just needs a certain type of guideway and runs on rubber tires so it could run in mixed traffic without having to install heavy rail whic is much more expensive and more of a pian. This is like a quick-install easy to use tram. Plus the stations wouldn't even need a special raised platform. I guess you could say it's like a long bus on a fixed quidway. It could handle west Dontown while the Red Car could handle east Downtown.
I thought of this too but like mentioned above, the DT Connector would accomplish this.

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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 2:12 AM
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Additionally, the downtown connector will serve the dual purpose of connecting the disparate rail lines throughout the region, making the whole system significantly more viable, where it currently is not. If we were to do something like mentioned above (at-grade rubber-tired tram), I'm afraid it could cause a loss of focus on the more critical dual purposes addressed with the DT connector, and more importantly, diversion of precious funds, thereby delaying or eliminating the much more functional DT connector.

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I thought of this too but like mentioned above, the DT Connector would accomplish this. However, I think it would be cool to have something like this (and maybe even a more traditional monorail) from the Ritz/Marriot at L.A. Live to the entrance of the convention center, since the hotel is being built with the convention center in mind.
Why a tram or monorail from Ritz to the Convention Center? They're only across the street from one another and we have some of the best weather on the planet here (not like, say Nome, Alaska or Tampa, Florida - sorry ThreeHundred). I say make the Convention goers get outside and enjoy what truly makes our region stand apart from most of the world. Then they can go to Disneyland if they really want to ride on a monorail.

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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 3:37 AM
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The tram would be good for tourists visiting Downtown, because besides New York City, how often do you here of tourists generally using subway or underground light rail systems? Plus a tram could be like the one in Portland and stop at more places within Downtown. Besides, I think the Regional Connector will mostly serve the purpose of getting workers into Downtown and get other riders through Downtown to other places. Plus, it could help make the Financial District a little more pedestrian friendly and possibly help to encourage retail. Seriously, I don't think the average person would take an underground light rail train especially since on a tram, you get great views of our famous Financial District. Leave the Regional Connector for Downtown Workers and Metro riders who are trying to get to other places such as Union Station.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 3:40 AM
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ThreeHundred! I'm in WPB.. : )

Now.. if we can only get a tram from Fl to DT LA..
     
     
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Unlike hanover across the street, it is not an enormous parking podium dressed up as a billboard. Just look at that pic of hanover with the glaring blank wall - ridiculous. The reason I end up sounding like a broken record is becuase what I hate more than obvious (and btw, self-affirmed) aspirations toward NYC and in particular, Times Square as the holy grail of urban design, is how easily all of us eat it up - what an insult to think that it may be our popular desire to mimic NYC as though we had no character of our own to offer.

You need to stop this. The fact that you didn't mention the MANY other cities that imitate Times Square shows how farcical your comment truly was, and IMHO, gives the impression that you are really from New York.


Which blank wall of Hanover? Please, explicate for me.

And in case you weren't aware, the exterior of the Ritz-Carlton will also have billboards; does that mean you now dislike it as well?
     
     
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Good; Florida's got nothing on California!!!
     
     
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Additionally, the downtown connector will serve the dual purpose of connecting the disparate rail lines throughout the region, making the whole system significantly more viable, where it currently is not. If we were to do something like mentioned above (at-grade rubber-tired tram), I'm afraid it could cause a loss of focus on the more critical dual purposes addressed with the DT connector, and more importantly, diversion of precious funds, thereby delaying or eliminating the much more functional DT connector.
My support goes for a 100% underground alternative. Would it drive up the costs. ABSOLUTELY!! But does anybody remember Alameda Ave. in the nineties?!

Stupid annoying freight trains would get in the way and take at least 10 minutes to pass, with the train going around 10 MPH.


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Why a tram or monorail from Ritz to the Convention Center? They're only across the street from one another and we have some of the best weather on the planet here (not like, say Nome, Alaska or Tampa, Florida - sorry ThreeHundred). I say make the Convention goers get outside and enjoy what truly makes our region stand apart from most of the world. Then they can go to Disneyland if they really want to ride on a monorail.
Stupid.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 4:03 AM
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Don't be Dense

The growth policies favored by some city officials threaten L.A.'s livability.

By Zev Yaroslavsky(sighhhhh)
April 13, 2008

The debate about the availability of housing in Los Angeles and the city's development policies has been testy but long overdue. Fueling public outrage over growth policies that would significantly increase density are well-grounded fears that, in the clash between overdevelopment and neighborhood preservation, the developers will prevail.

Urged on by some elected officials, city planners have decided that the "smart" and "elegant" way to grow the city's housing stock is to double the allowable size of new buildings,bust through established height limits and reduce parking-space requirements -- effectively rolling back more than two decades of neighborhood-protection laws.

There is nothing smart or elegant about such growth. On the contrary. It's development run amok and with an utter disregard for how it affects the livability of the city's neighborhoods. Should these efforts -- the city's version of a state law encouraging greater density; ad hoc zoning changes to double the size of residential development on commercial property to facilitate more density; widespread approval of zoning variances for parking, height and property-line setbacks -- succeed, they will irreparably harm some of our most cherished neighborhoods and diminish our traditional sense of place.

As residents of Los Angeles, we need answers to some fundamental questions:

* Does the city need to weaken its zoning laws to build housing?

Absolutely not. As of 2005, the city had nearly 1.4 million apartment, condominium, single-family and other residential units.Under the general plan that was readopted by the City Council in 2001, that number could increase by nearly 60%, to 2.4 million units. Existing zoning law has accommodated considerable housing growth in recent years, allowing more than 76,000 new units between 2001 and 2007. Before zoning is changed to give the real estate industry special concessions on height, density, parking and building size, developers should exhaust their substantial underutilized capacity for growth.

* Can more housing be built without destroying neighborhoods?

Absolutely. Housing development should be encouraged on the thousands of properties throughout the city that have sufficient lot size and depth relative to surrounding neighborhoods. Such properties can accommodate well-designed, denser and even taller buildings without the collateral damage of traffic congestion, loss of privacy and other community effectsoften associated with such development. In some cases, these projects would even enhance commercial thoroughfares -- such as the Figueroa corridor near USC -- that are in desperate need of revitalization. At short, larger housing projects should be built where they fit.

* Where can this housing be built?

It belongs in the city's many employment and residential centers -- downtown, Hollywood, Wilshire Center, Harbor Gateway, Warner Center and the Van Nuys Civic Center. These and similar areas can absorb more housing under current zoning laws. In Century City, for instance, developers are converting traffic-generating commercial buildings to residential uses, resulting in more housing and a net reduction in peak-hour traffic.

Housing should also be built around subway, bus and light-rail stations. Many of these transit stops -- Warner Center, where the Orange Line busway ends in Woodland Hills, is one -- are already employment magnets, and they would be appropriate sites for additional housing as well. But it makes no sense to reflexively boost residential density and building size along every Metro Rapid bus route, as the city's version of the state's density-bonus law allows, when the streets that the buses travel often cross low-density, pedestrian-friendly commercial districts serving some of the city's most charming neighborhoods. The city should be guided by one principle: The scale of development should be informed by the character of its surrounding neighborhood. The one-size-fits-all approach embodied in the density-bonus law and the indiscriminate approval of denser residential housing on commercial property is not an appropriate growth strategy for Los Angeles.

* What can the city do to provide more affordable housing?

It can require developers as a matter of city policy to set aside a certain percentage of units in new buildings for people with low-to-moderate incomes. L.A. doesn't need to offer development bonuses allowing taller and bigger buildings to achieve this. In 1988, while I was serving on the City Council, we approved such a policy for a new residential development adjacent to UCLA and where 20% of its units were made affordable for university housing. Los Angeles County and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority have required similar set-asides in some development projects they have approved, including the Grand Avenue project across from Walt Disney Concert Hall and at several stations along the region's rail-transit system.

The city also owns a considerable amount of underutilized real estate on which affordable housing could be built. As a council member, I pioneered the creation of several housing developments above city-owned parking lots that were 100% affordable, a policy that should be applied more widely. The county has also made surplus property available to nonprofit developers to build affordable family and senior housing. The office building formerly housing the Department of Public Social Services, at Pico Boulevard and Veteran Avenue in West Los Angeles, is one example.

In all these projects, existing zoning laws, height limits, parking requirements and, above all, the sensibilities and concerns of neighbors were respected.More of these projects should be built.

It's noteworthy that a major contributing factor to the loss of our affordable housing stock is the demolition and conversion of apartments to make way for condominiums and other luxury housing. Accommodating renters displaced by such developments must be one of the city's top housing priorities.

Finally, the federal government must reverse its decade-long failure to adequately fund affordable housing for seniors and other renters of low and moderate income. The city and county of Los Angeles should vigorously ratchet up efforts to secure more housing funds when a new administration takes office in Washington next year.

The burgeoning neighborhood rebellion we are witnessing throughout the city is the predictable consequence of an increasingly insular and exclusionary planning process. City officials and developers are being shortsighted when they keep neighborhoods and citizens in the dark. Real estate development is a charged and complex issue, and all those affected by it deserve a seat at the table. The city needs to grow its housing stock, but it must also devise more effective ways to protect the unique attributes of its neighborhoods. These should be complementary, not contradictory, objectives.

Los Angeles County Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky represents the 3rd District.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 4:06 AM
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Well, we await your return! May I ask what the reason is?
     
     
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Supposedly, they're in talks with an upscale Asian hotel brand. There was speculation that it might be Shangri-La, since they don't have a presence in the LA area.
That's what the director of sales told me last year. I'm not quite sure if that information is still accurate, but he did say recently at an event downtown that the new hotel would be announced sometime in the summer.

The purpose of the hotel will be to attract as much Asian buyers as possible. I don't think it's intended to attract soley Koreans (like so many other residential projects in the area), but to tap into the Chinese market. How well it will fare? I'm not quite sure Downtown LA is a place that Chinese people will want to live in.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2008, 6:35 AM
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I thought of this too but like mentioned above, the DT Connector would accomplish this. However, I think it would be cool to have something like this (and maybe even a more traditional monorail) from the Ritz/Marriot at L.A. Live to the entrance of the convention center, since the hotel is being built with the convention center in mind.
You have got to be kidding me. Can't people in LA WALK? People here complain about walking a block or two..or that the Red Line station is TOO far from LA Live? In London, you would have to walk a couple of blocks from Trafaglar Square to the nearest station, but you don't hear people complaining. When I lived in Chelsea district of London, I would have to walk 5 blocks to nearest station. 5 BLOCKS in CENTRAL LONDON. Yes, i'm not kidding you. Same distance as Staples to 7th/Metro. It's the way it is. The other day, somebody complained to me how he would have to park a block away from Pete's Cafe, and that annoyed him. 1 BLOCK!!? That's another reason public transportation here in LA has a bad rap. "You mean I have to walk after I take the train?". People just can't grasp the concept that not all stations are at your destination...some walking is involved.
     
     
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^ Yeah I know what you mean. Thank zeus I'm not like that. I walk my — everywhere and take public transit (including, yes, buses) here in LA.

In fact, to give you a typical example, today: Took the Red Line from Koreatown to Universal City subway station, walked and transferred to the Rapid to go down Ventura Blvd. to do some shopping by Ventura/Laurel Canyon, then after shopping/eating, took the bus up Laurel Canyon northbound to transfer to the Orange Line and then went to Lake Balboa Park. Checked out Lake Balboa Park and later WALKED from Victory to Ventura Blvd. (a distance of 2 miles?) to meet up with some people for dinner at Buca Di Beppo.

Just an example.
     
     
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it's culture. if LA had a comprehensive network where mass transit could become a lifestyle as opposed to a novelty, 2 blocks would be a routine thing. because our single-line subway is so precious, walking 2 blocks becomes exceptional too.
     
     
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To answer your question, I can name you a —-ton of projects in SF, Chicago, NY, Paris, London, Tokyo, etc. that I'd love to see go up in LA, but this ain't the LA forum for nothin' right?

so yeah, moving on...
Edluva, thanks for the response, but just one project will do...
     
     
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LAMetroguy, you're funny
     
     
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