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Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 9:53 PM
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^^^ thought this was interesting.

Nevertheless, the report seems to support the assertion among developers that demand for units is strong. Since presales efforts for the most recent wave of projects began in 2004, about 2,856 units have been committed. That averages out to 725 to 900 units annually--roughly twice the absorption Dallas experiences each year.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 10:32 PM
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They have started to add glass to the bottom portion of the spire of the 360.

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Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 10:43 PM
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After the Savings & Loan bust in the late 80s there was a Houston office building under construction that was abandoned when it was just a steel and concrete skeleton (and about 30 stories high I think.) I don't remember the name of the building but it was eventually bought and completed by another developer.
Actually, the building you're referring to (Phoenix Tower) was completed on time in the mid 80s by the developer that concieved it (Albritton Development). Large portions of it, however, were vacant for a number of years due to the economic conditions of the period and made it one of the most prominent examples of "see through" architecture in the city...

Today it's one of the landmark towers in the Greenway cluster, and the exterior has been updated to reflect alternating bands of silver & turquoise. Nice effect from the Freeway, btw.

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Old Posted Mar 31, 2008, 11:12 PM
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they should be lighting 360 in a couple weeks
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 1, 2008, 2:12 AM
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they should be lighting 360 in a couple weeks
Yeah, its made its way well into the skyline. Finally it will be lit up at night. My favorite view of downtown now with 360 there is either barton creek, redbud hill (will be amazing once everything is finished), or looking from the east side where 360 stands to the left of frost and looks damn nice with all the other buildings.
     
     
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Hard to believe, yes, but it happens.

It has happened in Dallas with the Mandarin Oriental Hotel aka Victory Tower. I live in Victory Park, at the Terrace Condominiums, and I was VERY surprised to see the cranes be taken down after they had finished the subterranean garage, which is a few levels above ground and fully equipped with lighting now.

The word is: Hillwood, Victory Park's developer and a Ross Perot Jr company, put up all the equity to build the garage, but has not yet secured financing for constructing the tower. Supposedly, sales are slow in the area and this seems to be the main issue. I've also heard that the W Residences have had issues with sales as well, and those condos are what M.O. will be selling for PSF, if not higher.

I find this hard to believe because there are TONS of cranes around uptown and downtown (museum & art district), so developers must sense the demand, or there's gonna be a "situation" in the future with TONS of inventory and no buyers. Austin, on the other hand, this demand seems to be FOR REAL! If the cranes are "rumored" to be taken down at the Austonian, I'll believe it when I see it!
It sound like a bad credit issue to me, but I still dont' understand why they don't sell it to other developers. Do you think they try to keep it for few years wait for a better time. Or maybe they asking for too much money...or do you guys think nobody like to take it over because just bad market .
     
     
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I think the new rainey street buildings would be having the most problems if they were not developed first. All the other major projects have a much better location. I know people who bought into one of those developments and now wish they waited to get in on the other projects.....


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went downtown today and will post pictures when i get back home
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2008, 1:37 PM
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From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/04/03/0403hotel.html

REAL ESTATE

Austin hotel/condo project set for Waller Creek
$350 million, arts-themed project is moving to neglected area on east side of downtown.

By Shonda Novak

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Thursday, April 03, 2008

A high-profile arts-themed hotel and condominium project will be the first major project for the long-neglected Waller Creek area of downtown, developers announced Wednesday.

The 21c Museum Hotel and 21c Museum Residences, originally planned for Third and Brazos streets downtown, will be built on a new, larger site at East Cesar Chavez and Red River streets, along the banks of the creek.

Developers said the $350 million project on 3½ acres is expected to pump millions in property tax dollars each year into the city's project to build a flood-control tunnel along the creek and help turn the area into Austin's version of the San Antonio River Walk.

"I'm drinking the Kool-Aid about the whole Waller Creek area," said Steve Poe, president and CEO of the Poe Companies, which is one of the partners in the project. "This is the natural progression for the city. People gravitate towards parks and water, and that's what this is."

Work is scheduled to start in early 2009 on a 16-story 21c Museum Hotel, which will have 243 rooms and double as a contemporary art museum. The museum will be open free to the public year-round.

The hotel will be followed by a 49-story condominium tower with 295 residential units, and in the future, a 425,00-square-foot tower with offices and shops or more housing, according to the Poe Companies, a Louisville, Ky.-based real estate firm.

The company expects the hotel and condo towers to open in 2011. Prices have not been set for the condos.

The condo tower would rank among the tallest being built or planned amid downtown's residential building boom.

A 55-story condo tower, the Austonian, is under construction at Second Street and Congress Avenue. And local developer Tom Stacy plans a 66-story hotel/condominium tower near Sixth and Brazos streets.

Poe officials said the 21c project needs no city zoning variances.

Poe is teaming with Art Commerce Entertainment Unlimited and Austin-based Ironwood Real Estate.

Local developers Robert Knight and Perry Lorenz, along with partnerships controlled by Lorenz and Austin-based Twin Oaks Associates, are selling the land to the Poe Companies. All the sellers will be equity partners in the project, holding a minority financial interest.

The tract currently houses several older buildings, including a duplex and a club, Lorenz said.

The new project will generate more than $9 million a year in property taxes, nearly $2 million of which would be earmarked for city efforts to building the flood-control tunnel along Waller Creek. About $1 million of the county's portion of the taxes would also be dedicated to help pay for the tunnel, said Lorenz.

The city is banking on the $124 million tunnel project to open a large part of downtown to redevelopment.

"I think we're feeling the first wave of significant development in that area," Lorenz said. "My prediction is, Waller Creek from 15th Street to (Lady Bird Lake) and including the Rainey Street neighborhood will just be transformed over the next five to 10 years because of something the city consciously did. This is just the beginning, and something good is happening."

As longtime landowners with substantial holdings in the area, Knight and Lorenz, both major proponents of the Waller tunnel project, will benefit.

But Lorenz said more than self-interest is involved. He said the southeast part of downtown "has been pretty sad for some time, a stepchild. Obviously it is in my self-interest for the area to develop like this, but more than that, it's really in the interest of the entire city."

Poe said the new location was the one he originally wanted in looking for a site for a hotel/condo project last year, he said. But at the time, it was under contract to Australian-based Constellation Property Group, which had planned a luxury condominium tower and a hotel there.

Poe said he jumped at the chance to put the land under contract when Knight notified him it was available.

"It really allows us to do what we want to do," which is to create an arts-oriented destination spot with lots of green space, and in an area with views that aren't under threat of being blocked, being flanked by the convention center to the north and parkland and Lady Bird Lake to the south. And, he said, "we see the creek as an amenity."

"This is like that proverbial place in Central Park in New York City," Poe said. "That's what we're creating."

A key attraction in the project is expected to be its restaurant, which will serve contemporary American cuisine and has a big name behind it, Michael Bonavides, who was a founding partner of the restaurant group that owns and operates Tribeca Grill, Nobu and Rubicon.

The Poe Companies originally planned to build the project on a block formerly occupied by the Whitley Printing Co. at Third and Brazos streets. The Poe Companies still owns that site, where it plans a hotel project.

Austin City Council Sheryl Cole said the 21c project "begins to fulfill the promise that Waller Creek will become a world class destination. It is wonderful to already see a major return on our investment."


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A few photos from 4/2.

The Four Seasons Residences:



You can see the crane base installed. Only 2 of the pier drilling machines are going now, so they're probably close to being done with that.



Closer look at the crane base. I didn't see any other parts of actual crane yet.




The Austonian.

They're setting up the 2 level now, on the north side of the site:



A view from the opposite direction:







Across the street:

     
     
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Man I love the design of 21C.. Looks somewhat toned down from the previous iteration, but it matters not to me. Also reminds me of another building elsewhere... I still can't put my finger on it.

Thanks for the updated shots Priller! Legacy is really standing out there. What floor are they up to? 25? Should top out long before spring is over with (the season, not the condo tower ). Also great to see Austonian popping above ground level now. Can you also get a closer shot of that red sign along Congress?
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Yeah, Legacy is really getting up there. I was watching Fox7 the other day and they pointed their tower cam towards the Waterfront District, and Legacy was really making a major impact from there.
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....more from 21C direct email....



We have some exciting news to share with you regarding the 21c Museum Residences!

We are proud to announce a new, improved and more expansive site for the planned 21c Museum Hotel and Residences. It will now be located on the corner of Cesar Chavez and Red River, bringing you closer to Lady Bird Lake, to Luxury Row and to Living with Art, in an unparalleled location.

The original June announcement of the 21c Museum Hotel and Residences’ Third and Brazos location drew immediate attention and excitement. The idea of Living with Art in downtown Austin just got better. With the newly announced plans, the development team will be significantly expanding their investment in Austin. The new site allows for a perfect location to implement the goal of blending a love of art, Southern hospitality and 21st Century innovation into a property that is uniquely Austin.

The 21c Austin project will include a luxury hotel, luxury condominiums, a world-class contemporary art museum, a landmark restaurant and affordable artist lofts, along with an office tower; all accompanied by unparalleled lake and city views.

Please see the press release for more details on our exciting news.



We are excited to show the preliminary designs as well as re-introduce you to the concept of Living with Art at the 21c presentation center. For a sneak peek, please email Theresa Stachowiak at [email protected].

We look forward to seeing you soon.

Best regards,

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kvue has a video up about the new 21c
     
     
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We have four threads going with 21c posts. It's getting difficult to follow.
     
     
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how come we never hear any info about altavida like we do all of the projects?
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2008, 11:42 PM
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how sales are going, etc. altavida is never listed in those studies. maybe im insane i dont know.
     
     
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Oh, well, Altavida is apartments, so that might be why.
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