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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 3:00 PM
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Austin close to deal with developer for Seaholm project

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Austin close to deal with developer for Seaholm project
City would pay for $18.6 million of $117 million deal.
By Kate Miller Morton

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Friday, March 28, 2008

The City of Austin and the local group it chose to redevelop the Seaholm Power Plant and surrounding property three years ago are close to reaching an agreement that would allow the $117.2 million project to move forward.

The proposed deal, which the City Council will probably vote on next month, calls for the development group to pay $98.6 million, or 84 percent of the cost of the project, with the city paying $18.6 million.

The city money would be used to build a 315-space parking garage on city-owned land just west of the Seaholm site. It would also pay for street and utility improvements and public plazas, and to offset the cost of renovating the Seaholm Power Plant, which the city would continue to own.

The city would raise most of its money by dedicating all of the property and sales taxes generated by the project and revenue from the city-owned parking garage for 30 years.

The development group would be responsible for all costs associated with the planned 22-story hotel and condo tower and a two-story office and retail building. Those properties would be sold to the developer.

The City Council will hear a public presentation on the agreement April 10. The public can view the proposed plan on the city's Web site: www.ci.austin.tx.us/seaholm.

Assistant City Manager Laura Huffman emphasized that the deal has safeguards for the city if development doesn't go as planned, including termination and repurchase rights in the event of major delays and defaults, and a prohibition on major changes of uses. A completion guarantee also requires a private investment group to either complete construction or raze the uncompleted buildings and reimburse the city for money already paid out if the developer failed to perform.

Three local companies are behind the development group. Commercial developer Southwest Strategies Group did the Penn Field mixed-use development on South Congress Avenue. Residential developer Centro Partners helped build luxury apartments at the Domain. La Corsha Hospitality Group is the hotel management and consulting company founded by Jeff Trigger, ex-managing director of the Driskill Hotel.

Getting all of the paperwork done might be the hardest part of the project, joked the development group's managing director and Southwest Strategies principal John Rosato, who in the past three years had to refute several rumors that the deal was dead.

But, he said, the delays aren't that surprising given the complicated nature of the deal. "The main issue is that it's a very unusual endeavor for the city to enter into a joint venture and provide (financial) support to save a historic structure," Rosato said. "It's not a cookie-cutter partnership."

Built in the 1950s and decommissioned in 1996, the Seaholm plant sits on about 8 acres along West Cesar Chavez Street overlooking Lady Bird Lake. The location is prime, but the redevelopment will not be easy, particularly renovating the 136,000-square-foot art deco plant building.

"It was built incredibly well to be an industrial power plant," Rosato said. "Converting that type of a structure to another use will be very challenging."

The massive concrete building with its 65-foot cathedral ceiling is largely below grade. Creating the planned office, retail, restaurant and event space involves adding restrooms and elevators as well as modern electrical and heating and cooling systems without changing the iconic facade.

Renovation is expected to cost $23.6 million while yielding just 99,000 square feet of usable space.

Further complicating matters are two Capitol view corridors that limit buildings to just two stories on nearly two-thirds of the site.

Rosato hopes the group will be able to start construction by this time next year. If that happens, construction could be completed in 2011.

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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 5:32 PM
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Four Seasons Progress

Hey guys. I have been checking this forum for a while now for all the great information you guy provide. I finally decided to join in December but haven't really had any information to contribute. However today I saw what I believe is the tower crane arriving at the Four Seasons site around 5AM. By about 7:30 I think I saw them actually hoisting it up. I actually go by there early every morning so hopefully I might be able to contribute anything I see then. Thanks for all the great information all of you provide.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 6:12 PM
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Hey guys. I have been checking this forum for a while now for all the great information you guy provide. I finally decided to join in December but haven't really had any information to contribute. However today I saw what I believe is the tower crane arriving at the Four Seasons site around 5AM. By about 7:30 I think I saw them actually hoisting it up. I actually go by there early every morning so hopefully I might be able to contribute anything I see then. Thanks for all the great information all of you provide.
That is good news.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2008, 6:32 PM
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Welcome to the forum, Myomi. And thanks for the info. I'm curious to see how this tower turns out. I love the location. It'll be a big skyline changer. And it'll add some much needed life to that corner of downtown.
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Hey guys. I have been checking this forum for a while now for all the great information you guy provide. I finally decided to join in December but haven't really had any information to contribute. However today I saw what I believe is the tower crane arriving at the Four Seasons site around 5AM. By about 7:30 I think I saw them actually hoisting it up. I actually go by there early every morning so hopefully I might be able to contribute anything I see then. Thanks for all the great information all of you provide.
Welcome!

I rode my bike by there yesterday...... I was hyped about how far along they were..... can't wait to have another crane up!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2008, 3:46 PM
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Rumor?

I heard a rumor- can anyone confirm- the Austonian is only building the garage and retail space and that's it. Building costs are way too high and their sales aren't as strong as they should be. If that is not a rumor- wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2008, 3:56 PM
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Welcome, Myomi! I drove by this morning and they do indeed have the crane base installed and other crane sections there ready to go. I'll have to get this weekend and get some photos.

BTW, we are moved in to the Sabine! See my post here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3448448&postcount=28
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2008, 4:16 PM
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I heard a rumor- can anyone confirm- the Austonian is only building the garage and retail space and that's it. Building costs are way too high and their sales aren't as strong as they should be. If that is not a rumor- wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?
Ha ha, where do you guys hear these things?

Look, I don't know squat about the business side of these big developments, but I find it hard to believe that actual construction would begin until financing for the whole project is in place. And once they start construction, I would think the investors have every motivation to finish -- it's the only way they would ever have any hope of recouping their investment.
     
     
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Ha ha, where do you guys hear these things?

Look, I don't know squat about the business side of these big developments, but I find it hard to believe that actual construction would begin until financing for the whole project is in place. And once they start construction, I would think the investors have every motivation to finish -- it's the only way they would ever have any hope of recouping their investment.
It is amazing the s**t people make up. I am often amazed at "the sky is falling" mentality that rules much of our economy and world. Lets just say this were true. Do you honestly believe such a thing would not have been widely published? Besides, we have Texboy on here who is working there...... I think he would have been the first to break the news.
     
     
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While projects occasionally get shut down, I find it very hard to believe that someone would PLAN for such. If they were going to shut it down, why would they invest in not one but two cranes? If their financing is shaky, they'll just stop.

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I heard a rumor- can anyone confirm- the Austonian is only building the garage and retail space and that's it. Building costs are way too high and their sales aren't as strong as they should be. If that is not a rumor- wouldn't that be a smart thing to do?
The rumor I heard is that it's going to be built as planned, but will be the new Austin homeless shelter. Hell yeah. I want to be homeless.

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Old Posted Mar 29, 2008, 6:06 PM
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Hmmm.... that's odd, I heard that due to construction costs they were actually going to build 56 storys underground and leave just enough room on top for a doughnut shop/gas station???
     
     
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I heard that they were just going to build the foundations then wait for many many years to start back up but its to late for that.
     
     
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I heard that they were just going to build the foundations then wait for many many years to start back up but its to late for that.
same here, heard they lost financing. i was very wrong, however, the austonian is very much underway to getting built.
i emailed them the other week, claiming to be a rich european wanting to buy a 2000sqft level 45 condo (something like $850/sqft too). they said they were sold out.
     
     
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Ha ha, where do you guys hear these things?

Look, I don't know squat about the business side of these big developments, but I find it hard to believe that actual construction would begin until financing for the whole project is in place. And once they start construction, I would think the investors have every motivation to finish -- it's the only way they would ever have any hope of recouping their investment.

Hard to believe, yes, but it happens.

It has happened in Dallas with the Mandarin Oriental Hotel aka Victory Tower. I live in Victory Park, at the Terrace Condominiums, and I was VERY surprised to see the cranes be taken down after they had finished the subterranean garage, which is a few levels above ground and fully equipped with lighting now.

The word is: Hillwood, Victory Park's developer and a Ross Perot Jr company, put up all the equity to build the garage, but has not yet secured financing for constructing the tower. Supposedly, sales are slow in the area and this seems to be the main issue. I've also heard that the W Residences have had issues with sales as well, and those condos are what M.O. will be selling for PSF, if not higher.

I find this hard to believe because there are TONS of cranes around uptown and downtown (museum & art district), so developers must sense the demand, or there's gonna be a "situation" in the future with TONS of inventory and no buyers. Austin, on the other hand, this demand seems to be FOR REAL! If the cranes are "rumored" to be taken down at the Austonian, I'll believe it when I see it!
     
     
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So it does happen like that. Hmm, I am surprised.
     
     
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I'm not too familiar with the business side of skyscrapers either, but who is to say this residential demand will last? Can you imagine 700 foot tall semi-abandoned skyscrapers? Is that possible?
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This business journal article doubts the viability of some condo projects. The number of committed units for the W is encouraging.

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/03/31/daily5.html?jst=b_ln_hl

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Study says tougher financing could kill some Austin condo projects
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A new research report questions whether some of the new condo projects on tap in Central Austin will move forward under their original timelines, or at all, given the decline of available financing.

The report from Residential Strategies Inc. shows that there are more than 5,800 condo units planned or recently completed in Central Austin. Of those, about 2,500 units are currently under construction. But with more than 2,100 units anticipated in projects that have yet to break ground, the report casts doubt on whether some of those will be able to proceed given that "developers' ability to obtain financing for new projects has been significantly hindered by the current 'credit crunch.'"

The average per-square-foot value for local projects stands at $351, with the higher end of the spectrum topping out around $750 a square foot for luxury downtown high rises and units in East and South Austin valued at an average of $350 a square foot.

Nevertheless, the report seems to support the assertion among developers that demand for units is strong. Since presales efforts for the most recent wave of projects began in 2004, about 2,856 units have been committed. That averages out to 725 to 900 units annually--roughly twice the absorption Dallas experiences each year.

As for resales, Residential Strategies says about 1,045 condos or townhomes were sold in 2007, and the number of units sold was up in almost every price-point category.

Though Austin continues to fair better than other major markets in the current housing slump, the Residential Strategies report argues that the region is not immune to the ailing new home market conditions being experienced elsewhere around the country.

"The overall perception of the health of the new home market from prospective buyers will continue to present challenges for the sales forces at new condo projects," the report states.

A snapshot of several projects' sales/reservations through the end of first quarter 2008:

* Four Seasons Residences: 166 units total; 60 units committed.
* The Austonian: 188 units; 45 committed.
* The Shore: 192 units; 189 committed.
* Zilker Place: 74 units; 29 committed.
* W Austin: 196 units; 140 committed.
* SoCo Lofts: 69 units; 41 committed.
     
     
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Hard to believe, yes, but it happens.

It has happened in Dallas with the Mandarin Oriental Hotel aka Victory Tower. I live in Victory Park, at the Terrace Condominiums, and I was VERY surprised to see the cranes be taken down after they had finished the subterranean garage, which is a few levels above ground and fully equipped with lighting now.

The word is: Hillwood, Victory Park's developer and a Ross Perot Jr company, put up all the equity to build the garage, but has not yet secured financing for constructing the tower. Supposedly, sales are slow in the area and this seems to be the main issue. I've also heard that the W Residences have had issues with sales as well, and those condos are what M.O. will be selling for PSF, if not higher.

I find this hard to believe because there are TONS of cranes around uptown and downtown (museum & art district), so developers must sense the demand, or there's gonna be a "situation" in the future with TONS of inventory and no buyers. Austin, on the other hand, this demand seems to be FOR REAL! If the cranes are "rumored" to be taken down at the Austonian, I'll believe it when I see it!
After the Savings & Loan bust in the late 80s there was a Houston office building under construction that was abandoned when it was just a steel and concrete skeleton (and about 30 stories high I think.) I don't remember the name of the building but it was eventually bought and completed by another developer.
     
     
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