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Old Posted Mar 19, 2008, 8:33 PM
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Same view as PBJ but in daylight instead of twilight. This one is from the Metro Newspaper.
It might be cool to move this to the front page also...
     
     
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View down the Parkway

I can barely draw a stick figure, so can one of the more talented forumers please make a rendering of the ACC as it would appear from the steps of the Art Museum? Since this is my fave view of the skyline, I'm curious to see where/how it would appear and which building(s) it would obscure.

....I know most people prefer the view from the South Street bridge, but to me - the view down the Parkway is much classier. Just sayin.
     
     
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[QUOTE=fish;3424717]I hope this tower gets built so bad !!

Now, what a thing to say, wanting a badly-built tower to be built!....

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I hope this tower gets built so bad !!

Now, what a thing to say, wanting a badly-built tower to be built!....

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So why doesn't Philly just stick the tallest of the Roxborough Towers on Billy Penn's hat? With a 1276 foot tower on a 548 foot building, City Hall would proudly stand at over 1800'.
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That is closer, however, the roof height of the Sears Tower is 38 feet shorter than the spires of the Petronas Towers. In that view the Petronas Towers spires are much higher compared with the Sears.
38 feet wouldn't be "much higher" even if spire height vs. roof height was a legitimate comparison, which it's not.

This building is an OK design, if a little bland and similar to the (very weak) Freedom Tower design. But it's in the same weight class as Trump Tower, not the Sears Tower. Still very cool for Philly, though - and I'm usually not a fan of spires, but I guess it works for the location. Philly has always been "spired".
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Two words.....BUILD IT!!!

Seriously, Philly needs this like the city needs an extensive subway system, more Greeks and Italians, a Stanley Cup championship parade on Broad St, and like I need Kim Kardashian!!! Besides, even though Phila needed Comcast to stay in the city, ther building is a major dissapointment in a lot of ways.
This is so off topic but What?!
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skyscraper thoughts

Two Primary Forces Converge to bring about the Skyscraper:

The primal human compulsion to build a towering structure that dominates the landscape and asserts Man’s power to shape the world to his vision, i.e., Tower of Babel.

The need to multiply the value of land that arose from the economic activity and pattern of living in densely populated industrialized cities of America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The four most important technological prerequisites for the skyscrape(IMO) are:

The saftey elevator(1852/1856)
Economical production of structural steel(Siemans/Martin c. 1880)
Fire proofing material for steel frame(c. 1875, porous terracotta tiles))
water pumps(c. 1860s)

So, why do we all feel so strongly about the hieght of buildings and in particular why are we so excited about the possibilty of a 1500 feet high ACC. I think its in our genes, that is its a primal compulsion.
     
     
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I think its in our genes, that is its a primal compulsion.
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Two Primary Forces Converge to bring about the Skyscraper:

The primal human compulsion to build a towering structure that dominates the landscape and asserts Man’s power to shape the world to his vision, i.e., Tower of Babel.

The need to multiply the value of land that arose from the economic activity and pattern of living in densely populated industrialized cities of America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

The four most important technological prerequisites for the skyscrape(IMO) are:

The saftey elevator(1852/1856)
Economical production of structural steel(Siemans/Martin c. 1880)
Fire proofing material for steel frame(c. 1875, porous terracotta tiles))
water pumps(c. 1860s)

So, why do we all feel so strongly about the hieght of buildings and in particular why are we so excited about the possibilty of a 1500 feet high ACC. I think its in our genes, that is its a primal compulsion.
I agree, but I'd add that I want a tall tower not because it surpasses an arbitrary height threshold of 1,000 feet - a height that wouldn't be a benchmark in the rest of the world's system of measurement. It's because the skyline will have something to anchor it and announce itself to an international community. Hopefully it will reduce PA's brain drain by luring young people back into the city instead of leaving for places like Washington, D.C., NYC, California and the Pacific NW, etc. Hopefully it will continue to reawaken a city that has ironically become myopic in the face of its progressive beginnings (declaration of independence anyone?). Hopefully it will add to a growing revolution that will revitalize downtowns and reverse the 70s' white flight into the suburbs where unsustainable suburbanization is already beginning to strain our nation's economy. Hopefully it will accelerate the trend of building green in Philadelphia so that someday we might be able to call ourselves the Portland of the East Coast. Taxes from this building and the ones that will spurt up in its wake will allow us to refocus on our biggest issues like education, crime reductions, transportation reform (SEPTA needs an upheaval), and healthier lifestyles among others. These are the building blocks of a great city. Philly already has plenty of history and character to draw from. The problem is, many people outside our world don't know about them. People think of cheesesteaks, snowballs, Rocky, and the Liberty Bell when they think of Philadelphia. They don't always know that we have one of the best orchestras in the world, some of the best medicine, law, and business firms in the country. We have the most selective and arguably the best classical musical school in the world: The Curtis Institute of Music, it's not Julliard folks. They don't always know that the Art Museum is actually that, a world-class museum and not just the backdrop for Rocky. The nation's first zoo. The country's largest city park. The neighborhoods of Society Hill, Rittenhouse Square, South and West Philadelphia. Manayunk, Chestnut Hill, etc. etc. Reading Terminal Market and the plethora of restaurants. I mean the list goes on and on...

I'm ready for that list to be cited by people not just from Philadelphia, but from around the country and around the world someday. That's why I think building height is transcendently powerful. That's why it's so god damn important to me.

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WSC is trying to lure clients from outside the city. And is Mr. DiStefano coming around to this project?

Developer dangles carrot for Philadelphia tower

By Joseph N. DiStefano

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Joseph Grasso knows Philadelphia real estate pros and other developers are skeptical of his proposal for a 1,500-foot-tall, 2.2-million-square-foot tower at 18th and Arch Streets.

There's a recession. Banks aren't lending. He'd need new zoning, and agreeable neighbors. Big corporate tenants are so scarce that Center City Class A office rents, after inflation, have been stagnant or worse for 20 years.

"They're all good questions," said Grasso, founder of Walnut Street Capital L.L.C., which hopes to build the tower with backing from the Multi-Employer Property Trust, a labor union-oriented national landlord based in Washington whose Seattle affiliate helped Walnut buy the block last year.

Echoing a developers' lament heard often in Northeastern cities, Grasso said the project could work if he persuaded enough companies to relocate from New York, where rents last year approached $100 a square foot, to Philadelphia, where high-end rents - and the threshold developers say rents will have to pass to make would-be office projects pay - hovers in the mid-$30s.

Walnut has been pursuing investors and tenants in and beyond Philadelphia, said zoning lawyer Peter Kelsen of Blank Rome L.L.P., who represents Walnut and MEPT's asset-management affiliate. He will not name names. "We'll know in the next six to eight months," Grasso said.

In its other Center City project, Walnut has been replaced as property manager at Curtis Square, confirmed Jon Diat, spokesman for Citigroup Property Investments, Walnut's limited partner at the project.

"We made a collective decision, and it was a hard decision, to bring CB Richard Ellis in to manage the property," Grasso said. Citi felt, "and I agreed," that, as a national firm, CBRE could better sell the Curtis and Public Ledger buildings to "the big boys."

Grasso said he was still general partner at Curtis, and the buildings are more than 95 percent leased, with recent rents topping $27 a square foot.

He said it had paid off to put the buildings under new management. When they were separately owned, "they competed against each other," cutting rates to lure tenants. "Now, we don't fight each other."

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Pretty good read there, I would prefer if they had a tenant lined up. But this is as good as it gets for not having a tenant lined up this instant, I still have a pretty good feeling about this. This would be a huge signature for a company, and I think they would like that.
     
     
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If there was a tenant lined up then there would be a huge amount of pressure to get this building built. Just imagine some fortune 500 company ready to sign up for a lease. That type of news would be really big.

Thank you everyone for the pictures and renderings presented on this thread so far.
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This would be a great addition to the Philly skyline. I always thought it was kind of undersized for a city of that population, and these recent additions would bring it up to the big leagues....

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This would be a great addition to the Philly skyline. I always thought it was kind of undersized for a city of that population, and these recent additions would bring it up to the big leagues....

Everyone light some candles....
Undersized? I don't think so. Take a look at other cities with the same population or close to the same and I think Philly beats all of them out.
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The American Commerce Center – the proposed new 63 story skyscraper at 18th and Arch – will be presented at DAG at our next monthly meeting on Thursday, April 3, 8AM at Temple University Center City (1515 Market Street). Garrett Miller, the President of Walnut Street Capital and architects Bill Louie and Lloyd Sigal of Kohn Pederson Fox, will make the presentation.

DAG member Brad Maule probably has the most comprehensive description of the proposed American Commerce Center skyscraper at 18th and Arch around. Go to his website, www.phillyskyline.com, to learn more.

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The American Commerce Center – the proposed new 63 story skyscraper at 18th and Arch – will be presented at DAG at our next monthly meeting on Thursday, April 3, 8AM at Temple University Center City (1515 Market Street). Garrett Miller, the President of Walnut Street Capital and architects Bill Louie and Lloyd Sigal of Kohn Pederson Fox, will make the presentation.

DAG member Brad Maule probably has the most comprehensive description of the proposed American Commerce Center skyscraper at 18th and Arch around. Go to his website, www.phillyskyline.com, to learn more.

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Hmmmm...where oh where have I seen this before ? It seems oddly familiar ...

Mind you, I do happen to like that tower. And I also happen to like the idea that Philly could see it built. I'm just pointing out that it looks an awful lot like a mix of two versions of the Freedom Tower.

Anyway, I'm not trying to rain on the parade. Kudos Philly...hope you get this one. Definitely a lot of big changes happening there and they're all positive from what I can see.
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I agree, but I'd add that I want a tall tower not because it surpasses an arbitrary height threshold of 1,000 feet - a height that wouldn't be a benchmark in the rest of the world's system of measurement. It's because the skyline will have something to anchor it and announce itself to an international community. Hopefully it will reduce PA's brain drain by luring young people back into the city instead of leaving for places like Washington, D.C., NYC, California and the Pacific NW, etc. Hopefully it will continue to reawaken a city that has ironically become myopic in the face of its progressive beginnings (declaration of independence anyone?). Hopefully it will add to a growing revolution that will revitalize downtowns and reverse the 70s' white flight into the suburbs where unsustainable suburbanization is already beginning to strain our nation's economy. Hopefully it will accelerate the trend of building green in Philadelphia so that someday we might be able to call ourselves the Portland of the East Coast. Taxes from this building and the ones that will spurt up in its wake will allow us to refocus on our biggest issues like education, crime reductions, transportation reform (SEPTA needs an upheaval), and healthier lifestyles among others. These are the building blocks of a great city. Philly already has plenty of history and character to draw from. The problem is, many people outside our world don't know about them. People think of cheesesteaks, snowballs, Rocky, and the Liberty Bell when they think of Philadelphia. They don't always know that we have one of the best orchestras in the world, some of the best medicine, law, and business firms in the country. We have the most selective and arguably the best classical musical school in the world: The Curtis Institute of Music, it's not Julliard folks. They don't always know that the Art Museum is actually that, a world-class museum and not just the backdrop for Rocky. The nation's first zoo. The country's largest city park. The neighborhoods of Society Hill, Rittenhouse Square, South and West Philadelphia. Manayunk, Chestnut Hill, etc. etc. Reading Terminal Market and the plethora of restaurants. I mean the list goes on and on...

I'm ready for that list to be cited by people not just from Philadelphia, but from around the country and around the world someday. That's why I think building height is transcendently powerful. That's why it's so god damn important to me.
Hear! Hear!

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