PHILADELPHIA | American Commerce Center | 1,510' Pinnacle / 1,210' Roof | 63 FLOORS

[Chriss]

Antennae usually are not counted in building height, while spires are.

A technicality, I know, but ACC would be taller than Sears.

[SkyWatcher]

I hope it gets built....it's a great tower but it will never be the country's tallest....guess that writer hasn't heard of the Chicago Spire yet.

[highdensity32]

Originally Posted by Chriss

Antennae usually are not counted in building height, while spires are.

A technicality, I know, but ACC would be taller than Sears.

Why is it that a spire counts towards height and antennae do not?

[Cro Burnham]

[b]Metro spoke to Garrett Miller, the firm’s president, about the proposed tower . . . . We think that over the next year or so, barring any disasters in the economy . . .

Am I missing something or have we not slipped into recession?

[slow-v6]

isnt it that spires are extentions of the building were antennas are addons for tv and broadcasting??

[123lilsmoo]

Holy Moly!!!

I cannot believe it. It's about time we broke the 1000 ft. mark. And what a way to do it; this is not your ordinary suppertall, it's going to be in an elite group at 1500 ft. I couldn't fall asleep. I Just returned from NYC this weekend, whining that we'll never get that big. I come home and KABAM!!

Finally, we can be looked at as one of the great metro's of the US. I pray that this building doesn't get any rejections. Those people have to remember that this is one of the largest cities in the US. If you don't want buildings this large around your neighborhood, then you shouldn't be living in center city. Besides, it's only one block from the other Giant, the Comcast Center.

If they refuse this building, forget any kind of real growth, ever!!! We'll be a HO-HUM town instead of a BOO-YA metropolis. But I heard the Mayor is Gung-Ho on this project and so is the Govenor.

Finally, I would like to say this to those other cities who are happy for us: Thank you from the bottom of our heart (Brotherly Love).
To those who have something negative to say: Envy is one of the seven deadly sins (No love for a brother)

[bucks native]

Originally Posted by russbaseball

threw this together today. photo kudos goes to phillyskyline.com

Hot shot!

If that red building near Cira is Mantua Hall, if it hasn't already, it's about to be imploded.

[kraggman]

Originally Posted by slow-v6

isnt it that spires are extentions of the building were antennas are addons for tv and broadcasting??

Correct. A spire is an actual part of the buildings permanent structure.
Antennae could be removed if necessary.

[skyscraper]

Originally Posted by Chriss

Antennae usually are not counted in building height, while spires are.

A technicality, I know, but ACC would be taller than Sears.

for the third time, I will delineate the calculations for building heights as defined by the council on tall buildings and urban habitat.
there are 4 categories:
1-highest roof
2-tip of spire
3-tip of broadcast antenna
4- highest occupied floor

for a time, sears was the tallest building in the world in 2 of the 4 categories, highest roof and occupied floor. then they replaced the antennae with higher ones for high def broadcasting, so it became the tallest in 3 of the 4 categories. since it has no spire, that it the best it could ever do.
acc will have a spire under the current proposal, so you calculate its highest point at the tip of that. but to compare apples to apples, you can use the roof and highest floor to see how it does compared to other buildings.

[bryson662001]

Originally Posted by Cro Burnham

Am I missing something or have we not slipped into recession?

How do you know that and who exactly is "we"?

[Swinefeld]

Originally Posted by 123lilsmoo

Holy Moly!!!

I cannot believe it. It's about time we broke the 1000 ft. mark. And what a way to do it; this is not your ordinary suppertall, it's going to be in an elite group at 1500 ft. I couldn't fall asleep. I Just returned from NYC this weekend, whining that we'll never get that big. I come home and KABAM!!

Finally, we can be looked at as one of the great metro's of the US. I pray that this building doesn't get any rejections. Those people have to remember that this is one of the largest cities in the US. If you don't want buildings this large around your neighborhood, then you shouldn't be living in center city. Besides, it's only one block from the other Giant, the Comcast Center.

If they refuse this building, forget any kind of real growth, ever!!! We'll be a HO-HUM town instead of a BOO-YA metropolis. But I heard the Mayor is Gung-Ho on this project and so is the Govenor.

Finally, I would like to say this to those other cities who are happy for us: Thank you from the bottom of our heart (Brotherly Love).
To those who have something negative to say: Envy is one of the seven deadly sins (No love for a brother)

I love how projects like this and Comcast Center bring out the lurkers. Welcome aboard!

"Who's "we", sucker?"

"Smith, and Wesson, and me."

Bryson, We are the people of the United States. Recession is a technical term; two consecutive quarters of negative GDP. I don't think we far from that happening.

[Nowhereman1280]

Originally Posted by Don098

...So what international architectural firm do you belong to?

Click on the links in his signature and you will see exactly how talented he is...

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by kraggman

Slap this guy in a frame and ..... voila !! Instant Philly art !!

Two words.....BUILD IT!!!

Seriously, Philly needs this like the city needs an extensive subway system, more Greeks and Italians, a Stanley Cup championship parade on Broad St, and like I need Kim Kardashian!!! Besides, even though Phila needed Comcast to stay in the city, ther building is a major dissapointment in a lot of ways.

[Dream'n]

Originally Posted by BVictor1

Looks like the original World Trade Center has sex with the future Freedom Tower and this was the result.

It looks to be about 1,125' to the roof with a 375' spire.

Hit the nail on the head.

Nice height but not a fan of the design.

Not dissing the city.

[sciguy0504]

As has been said before, building large developments is preferred in poor economic times as it is cheaper and, the thinking goes, they will be finished when the economy gains steam.

Under the current timeline, ACC will start construction in 2009 and wrap up in 2012. No one knows whether or not the economy will be bad in 2012. Developments always carry some risk but I think ACC has a lot going for it: nearly single-digit commercial vacancy space, much-needed retail space and hotel space and it's definitely an iconic building for Philly. Don't forget financing is not through banks but through a well financed Washington State pension fund.

[giamomj]

As far as I remember from the multitude of posts on this forum: spires count as part of the final overall height of a skyscraper - antennas do not. If that info is accurate - then ACC will indeed surpass the Sears Tower.

Gia

[dovate]

for the third time, I will delineate the calculations for building heights as defined by the council on tall buildings and urban habitat.
there are 4 categories:

So why doesn't Philly just stick the tallest of the Roxborough Towers on Billy Penn's hat? With a 1276 foot tower on a 548 foot building, City Hall would proudly stand at over 1800'.

[TheOldMan]

can someone add this to the Philadelphia diagram as a proposal. i would except i have no skill when it comes to these things...

[Don098]

Originally Posted by Nowhereman1280

Click on the links in his signature and you will see exactly how talented he is...

I browsed his stuff...not sure I get what he/she does? Just re-create models of past buildings, or is there original thought behind that stuff?

[Ninjawho]

I don't mean to sound like a mod or anyting but lets try to keep discussion on topic concerning the ACC not the rendering skill of other members...


I've been browsing the diagram section too to see if someone had completed one yet...the sooner the better