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West LRT may go underground
Tunnel from 142nd Street best route for river crossing and link to U of A line: report
Gordon Kent, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:01 am
EDMONTON - The city's transportation department supports a $1.6-billion west-end LRT line that would tunnel under houses near the North Saskatchewan River to reduce neighbourhood disruption and visual impact.

The proposed route from Lewis Estates follows 87th Avenue, travels underground through part of Parkview near the 142nd Street traffic circle, and comes out of the riverbank near the Valley Zoo, according to a consultant's report.

The 10-kilometre line crosses the river on a "mid-level" bridge, goes under the opposite bank and reaches ground-level near the Cross Cancer Institute, before joining the existing south LRT at the Health Sciences station.


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Font:****"The recommendation to council will be to approve this route for more detailed planning," transportation planning manager Brice Stephenson said Tuesday.

Further work would show where houses may need to be demolished and the best locations for stations, he said.

Open houses to gather public feedback are scheduled to be held in April.

The report rejects an alternative route that would use Whitemud Drive over the Quesnell Bridge, then follow Fox Drive and connect with the new South Campus station.

It determined the 87th Avenue alignment would carry up 13,500 more passengers a day, taking them downtown and to the University of Alberta campus from Lewis Estates up to 10 minutes faster.

As well, the cost to build the Whitemud line and buy LRT equipment would be almost $70 million higher. It would cost an extra $4 million a year to operate, with much of that money needed to run the larger number of LRT cars.

Coun. Bryan Anderson, who said the consultant's report is a valid recommendation, doesn't think building the project would be too expensive.

"Establish the most cost-effective routes, and then go to the federal and provincial governments ... and say 'We're heading into a 50-year mass transit plan, here it is, we need your assistance,' " he said.

"That is a considerable distance. It feeds a whole new side of the city ... now you need to go after the funding."

But Mayor Stephen Mandel has called the 87th Avenue route "a huge mistake." He says the large number of single-family houses west of 156th Street make it unsuitable for the high-density development that makes public transit more efficient.

Coun. Karen Leibovici supports the Whitemud-South Campus line, saying it would take west-end residents more directly to their destinations in the south.

If the city can entice drivers to take transit it would also help reduce traffic on the Quesnell Bridge, which will be jammed in 15 to 20 years despite a major overhaul due to start next year, she said.

"Why are we building something which isn't meeting the needs of commuters right now? The rationale keeps being everyone's going downtown. Well, you know what? We have significant employment centres at West Edmonton Mall ... and the northwest, southwest and southeast. That's where people are travelling."

Some residents on the west side of the river aren't enthusiastic about the proposed 87th Avenue route, which city planners have been studying since at least 2005.

Ray Jacobson, president of the Laurier Heights Community League, said the doubts in his area include the possibility that tunneling could one day be scrapped in favour of a long, unsightly bridge across the top of the valley.

"It's very much an overview recommendation. Our concern would be sometime in the future ... those parameters could change and we could see more dramatic changes to the neighbourhood."

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...Ray Jacobson, president of the Laurier Heights Community League, said the doubts in his area include the possibility that tunneling could one day be scrapped in favour of a long, unsightly bridge across the top of the valley...
Not likely, since tunelling is actually cheaper than a massive bridge.
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Especially since there will be no underground stations and the are minimal utilities to deal with at the portals.
     
     
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What are the soil conditions like underneath the neighbourhood where they may tunnel through? If it's sandy like underneath the U of A main campus, it's possible this could take a hell of a long time.
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Major bucks needed for LRT makeover
By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU

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Edmonton's LRT cars are poised to get an extreme makeover.

But it'll come at an extreme cost.

Officials want to spend nearly $40 million overhauling the city's 37 aging LRT vehicles.

That would include replacing obsolete mechanical systems, repairing body corrosion and re-painting the cars. As well, the carpeting would be replaced with "rubberized flooring."

The seats would be reupholstered. The red and brown interior colours would be replaced with blues and greys.




New exterior digital signs would be installed at the front and sides of the cars, telling passengers where the train is going.

Surveillance cameras would also be installed inside the cars.

"Inside, they'll look quite different," said Dave Geake, the city's director of LRT.

A new city report notes the repairs "are a key investment" that will extend the life of the cars by another 15 to 20 years. And while $40 million may sounds like a lot, it's roughly 25% of what it would cost to purchase new vehicles, the document states.

Geake said the cars were designed to last 35 to 40 years, and some are now 30 years old.

"They haven't had a major retrofit," he said. "We can't even get parts for some of them."

Geake said if approved by council, the work could begin later this year and be complete by 2012.

The city has another 37 LRT vehicles on order, which are expected to start arriving later this year. Geake said all the cars will be needed to keep up with demand.

Meanwhile, officials want to begin planning the LRT expansion from downtown to Mill Woods, but need $1.5 million for a planning study.

Both matters go before a committee of council next week.
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Extending the LRT west to West Edmonton Mall along 87th Avenue is obvious, despite the NIMBYism of residents of the prestigious riverbank communities affected.

There are some very large houses -- and one particularly large, obtrusive $20-million chunk of concrete -- desecrating the top of the river valley.

Google Earth shows that it is 6.5 kilometres from the University Hospital LRT station to West Edmonton Mall.


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Font:****The LRT could go underground to the river, then cross on a bridge just south of the Hawrelak Park pedestrian bridge, and go underground again until it surfaced near 142nd Street. It could continue west to the mall along 87th Avenue either on a central median, or service road, causing minimal disruption to communities.

Google Earth also shows that two kilometres west of the mall is Anthony Henday Drive, with a wide right-of-way that could provide endless park-and-ride space. Commuters from Spruce Grove, Stony Plain, Devon and all the acreages would not have to drive into the city proper; and bottlenecks on Quesnell Bridge/Fox Drive and Stony Plain Road might be reduced for traffic from the downtown and university.

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87th Ave. an obvious choice
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Re: "West LRT may go underground: Tunnel from 142nd Street best route for river crossing and link to U of A line: report," The Journal, March 12.

As a resident of Rio Terrace and a frequent user of 87th Avenue, I fully support the plan to run the LRT along 87th Avenue. And yes, if I lived on or near 87th Avenue, I would still support this project.

This route makes sense. It is idiotic to suggest that we add two lanes of traffic to Whitemud as well as an LRT line, as others propose.


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Font:****If we are smart enough to choose the 87th Avenue route, we might have to bite the bullet and put the train into a tunnel at the Valley Zoo. We wouldn't want to subject the residents of Laurier to the stench of common, non-rich folk.

And, if necessary, the tunnel should not rise to ground level until Meadowlark.

The good people of Laurier, Parkview, and Lynnwood are going to have to accept a new LRT line will be routed near to them. I believe it will all happen within five years.

Dave T. Jolly, Edmonton




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Premier hints at cash for Henday relief
By FRANK LANDRY, CITY HALL BUREAU

Mayor Stephen Mandel hopes the provincial government won't pass over an opportunity to improve traffic flow on the city's bustling ring road.

And he may get his wish.

In a recent letter to the mayor, Premier Ed Stelmach hints cash for at least three overpasses on the western portion of Anthony Henday Drive could soon be coming.

"Please be assured that funding for the construction of grade-separated interchanges at these three locations will be considered in our next budget," states the letter released yesterday by city hall officials.

Mandel said the traffic signals now on the roadway are causing headaches.




"You can't move goods through the city on the system the way it is right now," he said.

Building and maintaining the Henday is the province's responsibility.

AWARE OF CONGESTION

In his letter, Stelmach said the province is aware of congestion on the ring road at Stony Plain Road, Callingwood Road and Lessard Road.

The province has already started doing a functional planning study for the Stony Plain Road interchange. Detailed design has already begun for the Lessard and Callingwood interchanges, the letter states.

Stelmach said that's being done "in order to get a running start at these improvement projects."

"Once funding for construction is approved, these projects will be immediately ready for tender," the letter states.

Jerry Bellikka, spokesman for Alberta Transportation, said the overpasses at Callingwood and Lessard would be relatively easy to build.

But he said that the Stony Plain Road/100 Avenue interchange would be more complicated, involving several bridges and likely costing $200 million.

Coun. Karen Leibovici, who represents the west end, said she frequently hears complaints about traffic tie-ups on the stretch of road.
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^Thats great news, and about friggen time.
     
     
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indeed...and now how about that NW and more importantly the NE sections
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Is help on the way for Henday?
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EDMONTON - Motorists irritated by bottlenecks on Anthony Henday Drive may find relief in the coming provincial budget.

That relief is hinted at in a letter from Premier Ed Stelmach to Mayor Stephen Mandel. It was written Oct. 29 and made public this week in a report to a city committee.

In the letter, the premier promises that replacing the traffic lights on Henday at three locations - Callingwood Road, Lessard Road, and Stony Plain Road-100th Avenue - "will be considered in our next budget."


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Font:****Detailed design of the Lessard and Callingwood interchanges is already proceeding, says the letter, as is a planning study of the more complex interchange at Stony Plain Road.

"Once funding for construction is approved, these projects will be immediately ready for tender," the letter states.

The Henday ring road around Edmonton is being built and maintained by the province. However, city council tends to get many of the complaints about the road.

The southwest leg of the road opened in the fall of 2006 without the three interchanges. That has caused frustration with drivers, and also with people who live near the intersections.

Wedgewood resident John Cantin, who lives near the Lessard intersection, told councillors this month that the noise of truckers hitting their engine retarder brakes to stop at the light is driving him and his neighbours crazy.

Traffic counts for 2007 show 36,400 vehicles a day driving the Henday at the North Saskatchewan River bridge, a jump of 12,800 vehicles in one year. A report going to council's transportation and public works committee next week says traffic will likely grow more once the city completes widening of the Quesnell Bridge.

The province is also proceeding with the northwest leg of the Henday ring road, which will go from Yellowhead Trail to Manning Drive. Contracts are expected to be awarded this year.

Two legs of the ring road - southwest and southeast - are now in operation.




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Well you know nothing was going to be announced until the election was looked after. Now that it is, all these projects that were on hold will now possibly go forward.

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Cold, why's NE more important than NW?

I think the yellowhead and existing highways in the NE actually aren't too bad. But yellowhead/170/184/137 in the NW is a total mess.
     
     
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-new bridge, helps out yellowhead
-upgrader work in the area, need more capacity
-FINALLY a yellowhead and 216 interchange!!!
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indeed...and now how about that NW and more importantly the NE sections
That is great news. Hopefully they wil do the same for NW Stoney Trail in Calgary (which also will have lights). As for the NW and NE I hope you are right. The NW has already been announced as a P3. Also don't forget that the announcements and projects seem to be announced and balanced between Edmonton & Calgary. First it was SW AHD, then NW Stoney, then SE AHD (as a P3), then NE Stoney (P3) and most recently NW AHD (P3). If this trend continues you should expect to see funding and an announcement for another portion of Calgary's ring road before you see the NE announcement.
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According to the Journal, AHD could be traffic light free very soon
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I like that they are talking LRT from downtown to Millwoods. THis is great news as far as I am concerned. Makes stops at other locations to link up such as Bonnie Doon.
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Good to see that AHD could be lights-free sooner than I thought.

Same goes for the U2 LRV makeover, too - it's about frigging time!!
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that's great news i never fully understood what the reasoing was to put lights there to begin with but atleast they realize this needs to be done.. add to this the 23 ave interchange as well as the interchanges at "port alberta" and its goona be interchange alley...
     
     
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I like that they are talking LRT from downtown to Millwoods. THis is great news as far as I am concerned. Makes stops at other locations to link up such as Bonnie Doon.
Working on a conceptual map (overlay of google maps) with proposed routes and potential. I'll post it soon.
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