HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Edmonton


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1841  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 8:41 PM
eemy's Avatar
eemy eemy is offline
Closed account
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,425
Wow, it's nice to get some details.

With that information, I'm going to throw Icelandair into the mix. They seem to have been targetting underserved North American markets to Europe. Another (possibly the most likely) possibility would be either Mexicana or Aeromexico.

I'm somewhat doubtful of an Asian carrier. The major ones tend to offer more premium products, and I don't know if YEG has proven to be high yielding enough to attract a carrier like Cathay. China is out of consideration due to bilaterals. India could be served by an intermediate point east of India (wouldn't that be fantastic). I guess the most likely Asian destinations would be Seoul - Korean Airlines has a hub ideally suited to serve all of Asia, and is somewhat more aggressive than other air carriers in opening new markets.

Last edited by eemy; Feb 6, 2008 at 8:59 PM. Reason: more thoughts
     
     
  #1842  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 8:54 PM
lubicon's Avatar
lubicon lubicon is offline
Suburban dweller
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Calgary - our road planners are as bad as yours Edmonton
Posts: 5,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
Could be LOT or Lufthansa - European for sureThats my guess
Not necessarily, it could be North American (ie Houston) but I doubt they would make a huge deal out of that.

Still, my guess is wither Houston or Frankfurt (on LH). Possibly Munich as well, that would give LH (and Star Alliance) access to both LH's hubs out of Alberta.
__________________
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Albert Einstein
     
     
  #1843  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:05 PM
Jasper and one o nin's Avatar
Jasper and one o nin Jasper and one o nin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Лесные Высоты
Posts: 3,344
houston is transborder. International is not the US
__________________
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. Carl Spackler, 1980
     
     
  #1844  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:07 PM
Rocket252 Rocket252 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,861
its interesting they mentioned in the press release that they will have food related to the airline/occasion.

Also the use of "International" usually means Europe, Asia etc not North American.

I do not think Asia because I believe Calgary will be getting the first Asian non Stop from Alberta

Europe seems the most logical choice.
     
     
  #1845  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:08 PM
LO 044's Avatar
LO 044 LO 044 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 1,550
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuffyy View Post
One airline in particular who now wants YEG has limited to service to N.america as a whole.
Here's a really wild guess but how about LTU / Air Berlin to Dusseldorf? They would fit the above quote and they are expanding to compete with Lufthansa.

I don't believe LOT has the aircraft unless it lowers the frequency to ORD, JFK or YYZ but then again the US economy is not so good at the moment so who knows. LOT though, as most other airlines, are focusing on Asia.

Lufthansa maybe. Perhaps if both YYC-FRA flights are running full, Lufthansa may have reconsidered YEG to FRA or MUC.

Another wild guess is Air France but i believe they like KLM have limited entry into the Canadian market.

BA could make sense but another LHR flight? Let's hope for some variety. The One World Alliance competition would help though.

I don't know enough about Asian carriers to suggest one.
     
     
  #1846  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:10 PM
ExcaliburKid's Avatar
ExcaliburKid ExcaliburKid is offline
Derp
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,226
Wasnt this the announcement that YYC was going to be envious of? Pretty sure they would turn up their noses to Europe. My only guess is Asia, and Im sticking to it.
     
     
  #1847  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:11 PM
lubicon's Avatar
lubicon lubicon is offline
Suburban dweller
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Calgary - our road planners are as bad as yours Edmonton
Posts: 5,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasper and one o nin View Post
houston is transborder. International is not the US
Technically anything outside of Canada is international, but I know what you mean. The airports generally differentiate between transborder (U.S.) and international (everything else outside Canada). I was splitting hairs.

Asia - doubt it (for passengers anyway)
S. America - doubt it
N. America (outside the U.S) - doubt it
Africa & Middle East - doubt it

that pretty much leaves Europe by default.
__________________
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Albert Einstein
     
     
  #1848  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:14 PM
Bigtime's Avatar
Bigtime Bigtime is offline
Very tall. Such Scrape.
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 17,727
I'm pretty sure you guys have a better chance of landing an Asian flight if it is a cargo sched. No offense but if YYC hasn't had any luck yet I can't see how you could pull it off.

I would agree with the majority that we are going to see a European carrier and destination. Which is a big deal since you guys only started up LHR a while back, something to be very proud of.
     
     
  #1849  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:27 PM
Rocket252 Rocket252 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,861
I keep think LOT but also how about this:
BA comes in and takes the YEG - LHR route while AC moves over and does the YEG-FRA route
     
     
  #1850  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:29 PM
Jasper and one o nin's Avatar
Jasper and one o nin Jasper and one o nin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Лесные Высоты
Posts: 3,344
My guess is Asia.
tied with Cargo. Same reason Anchorage has service from China Air and others.
__________________
"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. Carl Spackler, 1980
     
     
  #1851  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:30 PM
Bigtime's Avatar
Bigtime Bigtime is offline
Very tall. Such Scrape.
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 17,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocket252 View Post
I keep think LOT but also how about this:
BA comes in and takes the YEG - LHR route while AC moves over and does the YEG-FRA route
So you'd get a new carrier on an existing destination and a regular carrier on a new route? Interesting take, I wonder if it is a tad complicated. I hope the news is a lot more simple. New airline and destination.
     
     
  #1852  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:33 PM
Rocket252 Rocket252 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,861
It is complicated. Your right. But by taking LHR off of AC hands they can finally provide the service to FRA we have been waiting for.
     
     
  #1853  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:38 PM
Rocket252 Rocket252 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,861
But more likely one new airline - one new route
     
     
  #1854  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:44 PM
S_B_Russell's Avatar
S_B_Russell S_B_Russell is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Genève
Posts: 631
It's a total guess, but I'll second LTU/Air Berlin.
__________________
I used to jog but the ice cubes kept falling out of my glass.
     
     
  #1855  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:44 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 69,026
as glasshead on c2e pointed out...tomorrow is Chinese New Year...coincidence?
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #1856  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:49 PM
Rocket252 Rocket252 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,861
I thought there were supposed to be two separate announcements tomorrow.

This is one of them
     
     
  #1857  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 9:49 PM
JAH JAH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 879
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldrsx View Post
as glasshead on c2e pointed out...tomorrow is Chinese New Year...coincidence?
Talk about a 'gong hoi fat choi' if so
__________________
CITY OF CHAMPIONS
     
     
  #1858  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 10:00 PM
JAH JAH is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 879
Someone should head over to the World Trade Centre and see if there are any 'chinese' decorations or other 'clues' up lol
__________________
CITY OF CHAMPIONS
     
     
  #1859  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 10:02 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 69,026
not sure if anyone has posted this...but...

Edmonton's Energetic Expansion
Alberta's booming energy business is good for Edmonton Airport.

By Aaron Karp
Air Transport World, December 2006, p.47

AN ANNUAL "AIRCRAFT crash" emergency drill is winding down on a bright autumn morning at Edmonton International Airport and firefighters who had been simulating a search for debris and victims are beginning to relax. They toss a blue rubber ball in the expansive grass field where the drill has taken placeadjacent to the airport's two 10,500-ft.-plus runwaysand watch as Badge the fire dog chases after it. The canine gallops at full speed, snares the ball and returns it to the firemen, who toss it again. Badge races after it, stretching his legs on the wide-open field.

It is not a scene one expects to observe when visiting major North American airports, many of which have little room to spare. But Edmonton International sits on 7,000 acres, including more than 3,000 acres of adjacent undeveloped land owned by operator Edmonton Airports. No major Canadian airport has more room to grow. And with passenger traffic rising 10%-12% and cargo traffic increasing 9%-10% annually, the grass fields may not stay undeveloped for long.

"We're way ahead of schedule in terms of growth and capacity," Edmonton Airports CEO Reg Milley says. Adds VP-Marketing Peter McCart: "We're getting tight."

Edmonton Airports started a modernization program in 1998 that had as its goal expanding annual capacity to 5.5 million passengers by 2015. More than 5 million passengers used the airport in the first 10 months of this year and officials say the 5.5 million mark almost certainly will be surpassed in 2007, eight years earlier than expected. When Air Canada launched Edmonton-London Heathrow service last month, it marked the 13th destination added by airlines in just over a year's time, including nine by AC. "It's kept us very busy," McCart says. "It's like drinking from a fire hose."


Oil Sands

Why Edmonton? It is North America's northernmost big city, the last major gateway to the vast, often freezing hinterlands of northern Alberta, home of coveted oil sands that just have begun to be exploited. According to the Province's Energy Dept., oil sands "are deposits of bitumen, a molasses-like viscous oil that will not flow unless heated or diluted with lighter hydrocarbons. They are contained in three major areas beneath 140,800 sq. km. of northeastern Albertaan area larger than the state of Florida . . . However, only about 2% of the initial established resource has been produced to date."

The international energy industry is estimated to have invested C$10 billion in Alberta's oil sands in 2005 alone. "Annual oil sands production is growing steadily as the industry matures," the Alberta Energy Dept. says. "Output of marketable oil sands production increased to 966,000 barrels per day in 2005. With anticipated growth, this level of production could reach 3 million barrels per day by 2020 and possibly even 5 million barrels per day by 2030."

"Edmonton is the staging area for all that activity," Milley says. "You can't just turn those projects off . . . [oil sands] are drawing people from all over the country to live and work in Edmonton. We're looking at above-average growth [in passenger and cargo traffic] for at least five to ten years."

Edmonton's growth as a city and the development of the airport, now Canada's fifth-busiest, go hand-in-hand. "Air transport is a huge driver of the economy," Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel, who has traveled to the Far East to meet with airline executives curious about Alberta's capital city, tells ATW. "Oil sands is a different animal and Edmonton is the supply and service center . . . Edmonton's growth has been pretty spectacular over the last few years. We've become a center of supply and distribution."

Air Canada President Montie Brewer visited Edmonton in early October. He was given a flyover tour of the oil sands projects and delivered a speech at the city's Chamber of Commerce. "Our ties with Air Canada are in our DNA," says McCart, who worked for AC for 17 years before joining Edmonton Airports late last year.

The airline has ramped up its Edmonton service quickly to take advantage of the city's explosive economy. AC and Air Canada Jazz offer up to 53 daily flights from Edmonton to 17 destinations. By year end AC will have launched service to nine new nonstop destinations from the airport during 2006: Montreal, Los Angeles, Yellowknife, Victoria, Kelowna, Las Vegas, Heathrow, Cancun (Dec. 20) and Punta Cana (Dec. 21).

AC has a 40% market share in Edmonton while WestJet, based in nearby Calgary, also operates 40% of the passenger flights. "We've got good, healthy competition between Air Canada and WestJet," McCart says. "There's plenty to go around."

WestJet President Sean Durfy says the city is a key market. "Edmonton is the gateway to the oil," he comments. "I see it as a growth market over the next decade." The LCC operates 174 weekly departures there. US carriers Northwest Airlines, US Airways, Horizon Air, Delta Air Lines and United Airlines all operate transborder flights to Edmonton. Overall, 16 scheduled airlines serve the airport as well as several charter operators. Milley says his next goal is to land direct service to Houston, which would link the primary US and Canadian oil centers.

Current landing fees are C$6.68 per 1,000 kg. for jets with 45,001 kg. or greater maximum permissible gross takeoff weight. Milley calls the fees "very, very competitive," adding: "We don't see increasing landing fees or passenger fees over the next five years." Passengers are charged a C$15 airport improvement fee per ticket.

The airport features two terminals, one constructed in 1960 and the other completed in 2000 at a cost of C$127 million. They are connected by a C$96 million Central Hall on which construction was finished in 2003. The older North Terminal, primarily used by WestJet, was given a C$17 million facelift in 2005.

The airport operates 24 hr. a day with no restrictions and officials boast that it has been closed for only 2 hr. in the past 10 years, a significant accomplishment considering Edmonton's harsh winter weather. Its runwaysone stretching 10,600 ft., the other 11,000 ft.are in a V configuration and can handle simultaneous operations. The runways and taxiways are capable of handling any aircraft size.


Global Links

The link to Heathrow is the airport's first flight to Europe since 2001. It also is eyeing Asian services, particularly cargo flights.

Representatives from Edmonton Airports visited Asia in November. "Cargo is probably what we're going to look at," Milley says. Mandel says he's had "very positive" meetings with airline executives in China and Japan. "China has big potential," he says. "There's trading potential that creates the possibility for direct [cargo] service. But it's not going to happen overnight." The rapid rise in passengers may seem like it has happened overnight for Edmonton Airports. When the Central Hall was finished in 2003, the terminals were meant to meet capacity demands for more than a decade. Instead, growth is eight years ahead of forecast. "It's caused a number of pinch points in the terminals," McCart says. "We're extremely short on gate availability, particularly during morning peak . . . We set the clocks to go off in 2015. But now we have already begun a review of our total facilities."

Milley insists the tight capacity is "a wonderful issue" for an airport operator to have. "We've had the best year in the history of the airport," he boasts, citing big capacity increases by both AC and WestJet. "We know we're going to have to add gates and apron space." Edmonton Airports earned a C$6 million profit in 2005, widened from C$4.5 million in 2004.

The operator has approved a new capital improvement plan in which C$50 million, raised through the Alberta Capital Finance Authority, will be invested annually over the next five years, much of it for adding automobile parking spaces and making terminal and taxiway improvements that aim to maximize use of existing facilities. Over the next 20 years, it plans to boost attached passenger gates from 18 to 33.

It is also a primary player in the development of Port Alberta, a multimodal cargo hub being built on 1,500 acres adjacent to the airport. It is being designed to link air cargo with rail and trucking as well as sea shipping via the Port of Prince Rupert and the Port of Vancouver.

The "inland port" seeks to take advantage of Edmonton's prominent position in the global energy industry as well as its location in North America. "Edmonton International has access to enough developable land to host the infrastructure and operating requirements needed to make Port Alberta a reality, and is strategically located at the crossroads of major air, surface and rail transportation routes," Edmonton Airports says in a primer on the project. Ultimately, officials believe it could serve as a link for moving air cargo among Europe, North America and Asia, drawing A380F and 747-8F operators.

"The overarching strategy is to move away from the concept of an airport and call ourselves a transportation hub where all modes of transportation can be accessed effectively to facilitate movement of goods globally," Edmonton Airports Director-Cargo and Business Innovation Glen Vanstone says.

Development on Port Alberta is just beginning. The facility will be in close proximity to the second-largest oil and gas manufacturing park in North America (the largest is in Houston), which is located alongside the airport. Port Alberta is expected to open in three years for initial operations. "There's a tremendous amount of unrealized opportunity here," Vanstone says. "We need to take advantage of the location and the economy."
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
  #1860  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2008, 10:02 PM
Coldrsx's Avatar
Coldrsx Coldrsx is offline
Community Guy
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 69,026
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAH View Post
Someone should head over to the World Trade Centre and see if there are any 'chinese' decorations or other 'clues' up lol
ill be there tomorrow morning.
__________________
"The destructive effects of automobiles are much less a cause than a symptom of our incompetence at city building" - Jane Jacobs 1961ish

Wake me up when I can see skyscrapers
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Edmonton
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:24 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.