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View Poll Results: Would you vote for a ETS Rapid Transit masterplan scheme?
Yes, I'd vote for more BRT/LRT 301 82.92%
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 1:56 AM
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Anyone ever try to park at Kingsway on a reasonably busy day? Imagine what would happen if they took away a couple hundred stalls, LRT or not
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Also, it's completely no use to the mall since the bus station is on the opposite end of the convenient/quick-sale stores (re: foodcourt on the westside of the mall) on the opposite side of the mall. Heck, those quick-sale stores are also opposing NAIT so it very little benefit is had from having to do anything with anything around it.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 2:48 PM
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Mayor wants three new LRT lines
Hopes project can be built within five years

Susan Ruttan, The Edmonton Journal
Published: 2:01 am

EDMONTON - Mayor Stephen Mandel wants to see light-rail transit expansion completed along three routes within the next three to five years.
"I see no reason why it can't be," Mandel said Thursday. "I'd also like to see construction started on a line to Mill Woods, with a plan in place to deliver LRT to the west end, once they decide on a route."

A NEW CITY REPORT OUTLINES PROPOSED ROUTES FOR THE THREE LINES. THEY ARE:

- The south LRT from the Century Park station, due to open in 2010, along 111th Street to Anthony Henday Drive, then west along Henday to 127th Street. There will be a station and 1,000-car park-and-ride near that intersection, then the LRT will continue south for two more stops.
Coun. Bryan Anderson, chairman of council's transportation and public works committee, said there are plans for a south MacEwan campus and a hospital along 127th Street, where the LRT will run.
- The northeast line from the Clareview station along the CN Rail right-of-way to a station and park-and-ride at 153rd Avenue.
- The NAIT line from Churchill station to 105th Avenue, then west to Mac-Ewan campus, north to the Royal Alexandra Hospital and up to NAIT.
Council will be asked to approve these routes at its meeting Jan. 30.
Though the routes have no funding yet from senior governments, Anderson thinks both the Alberta and federal governments may be ready to put new money into rapid transit.
"This expanded LRT plan must capture the attention of the province," he said. "There must be investment."
The British Columbia government this week pledged $10.3 billion to fund four new rapid transit lines in Vancouver.
Mandel won't guess what building the three extensions will cost. He said council plans to discuss taking on more debt, and the new LRT plans will be part of that discussion.
He said he's prepared to close some roads, if necessary, in order to allow LRT lines to be built.
A separate city report says that Kingsway Garden Mall objects to the city's plan to put its NAIT transit centre on the northern corner of the mall grounds. The site was to serve both as an LRT station and a bus centre.
One alternative, the report states, would be to put the LRT station on 106th Street north of Princess Elizabeth Avenue, rather than on mall property. If that happens, the current bus centre at the south end of the mall would stay where it is.
NAIT officials favour building an underground LRT station in the middle of its campus.
Anderson said questions remain about where the LRT line will go north of NAIT, or whether the City Centre Airport will remain an airport. Until those are answered, it may be hard to pick a permanent site for the NAIT station.
The first stage of the NAIT line will be to build an LRT tunnel under 101st Street at 105th Avenue, a tunnel that will pass under the site of a new Epcor building planned for 101st Street.
The city report says building the LRT tunnel at the same time as the Epcor building will be cheaper than waiting until afterward. Cost of the LRT tunnel is estimated at up to $80 million.
The NAIT line will eventually go to St. Albert, the northeast line eventually to Fort Saskatchewan, and the south line eventually to the airport.
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Anderson said questions remain about where the LRT line will go north of NAIT, or whether the City Centre Airport will remain an airport. Until those are answered, it may be hard to pick a permanent site for the NAIT station.

If the airport question needs to be answered before construction can begin then we'd better get an answer real quick.
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Though the routes have no funding yet from senior governments, Anderson thinks both the Alberta and federal governments may be ready to put new money into rapid transit.
"This expanded LRT plan must capture the attention of the province," he said. "There must be investment."
With the MSI there should be more than enough money to build these expansions, especially since the NE and S expansions are mostly through reserved corridor or underused land right now. And I don't expect the NLRT to come in at more than $500 million (which would be way high already)

The province has already stepped up, I don't get how Edmonton politicians don't understand that.
     
     
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I think construction directly to the airport should be done within the next 5 years since the airport will become a major employment centre.
(last time I was in Vancouver I took the B line to the airport, and I would say that the bus, which was packed - sitting and standing, was 95% full of airport employees)
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The province has already stepped up, I don't get how Edmonton politicians don't understand that.
Is it the politicians, or the reporters? Because there have been a few articles recently that say "There is no money for this expansion" even though, yeah - MSI sitting right there.
     
     
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I'm convinced that it's the reporters. At the open house a month ago the city reps were quite aware that kingsway could be a difficult partner, and we not particularly pleased with the locations. The rep I spoke to there also made it quite clear, to someone else who asked, that St. Albert was only one possible final destination for NLRT. A rough sketch of routes came out, and now the journal treats it as a done deal, and it looks the the casual observer like Castledowns is off the table.
     
     
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Ya, that was misleading. Castle Downs is by no means off the table.
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If the City wants to include St. Albert (which I would like - I live there) in LRT extension, another option is to go through Castledowns (or just west on 127 Street) and then head NW to St. Albert. Then at least you can catch some residents rather than follow the commercial/light industrial areas along St. Albert Trail.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2008, 9:54 PM
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I overheard today that there are rumblings of bringing back the Dept. of Highways. I wasnt old enough to really know about them when they existed, but why were they shut down in the first place? Any reason they might bring them back?
     
     
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i truly hope Edmonton continues this push for LRT...it is something so positive in perpetuity that would really contribute to a better overall city IMO.
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i truly hope Edmonton continues this push for LRT...it is something so positive in perpetuity that would really contribute to a better overall city IMO.
I second this post 100 times over. If the LRT went more places, I'd use it every day if I could. It would save a lot of hassle for parking and driving. Hopefully Edmonton gets that and will continue to expand the LRT system like they are planning to.
     
     
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Although I have a general idea of some of the routes, does anyone have a mapth the current and planned ext to help?
     
     
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Although I have a general idea of some of the routes, does anyone have a mapth the current and planned ext to help?
try this thread... might help. Newest and oldest posts have maps
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=128139
     
     
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24-hour transit service a must in city of this size
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Re: "24-hour service urged: Pub patrons, shift workers need safe, reliable transit, says business official," The Journal, Jan. 18.

On Jan. 22, two important reports on extending transit service hours (to 3:30 a.m. or to 24 hours per day) come before city council's transportation and public works committee. It's time for late-night routes to be worthy of their name.

With a population over more than one million, Edmonton should be vibrant around the clock, not turning in early.
An ETS bus sits idle in the bus barn.
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Transit systems in Toronto and Montreal run 24 hours. Vancouver, Ottawa, and Calgary stay going an hour or two longer. Even Quebec, Winnipeg, and Hamilton run buses later than Edmonton, which is stuck in the same class as London, Ont.

Minimum-wage workers deserve affordable transportation at all hours, not just 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Without late-night transit, transportation costs can eat up half the night's earnings, quickly reducing budgets for other necessities (including housing and education) or making new job opportunities uneconomical and impossible.

Safety is a concern, but not significantly more than it is during other hours of the day. In fact, fewer drunk drivers and more people watching the streets make it safer for everyone.

Eliminating nighttime fares would take it a step further, preventing bus drivers from having to double as fare police and benefiting those who need it most.

Ridership would increase throughout the day as transit dependence becomes more of an option. Fewer cars on the road would benefit Edmonton now and in the future.

It's time to tell ETS, city council, and all of Edmonton what late-night transit would mean to you and your city. Too busy waiting for the bus? TRUE can present on your behalf; e-mail us your stories at [email protected], or submit on our website at www.true.apirg.org

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LRT should stay within the city (save for the airport) let the surrounding areas worry about their own transportation. Most people i know who live in St. Albert (including my parents) don't even know what public transportation is (i dont think my parents have been on a bus since they first moved to Canada and were poor).

I think scott Mckeen made a good point that Lrt to these areas may encourage sprawl, but its more likely a waste that will only be utilized by a limited number of students. These folks arn't going to give up their jags and hummers to take the train.

However, if a network is expanded within the city limits, in-fill high density developments may follow with more support since the public transport network is efficient and available.

I have recently sold my car and do not plan to buy another. If there were a quick and efficient city wide LRT system, others may be encouraged to do the same.
     
     
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^on the other side of the coin, perhaps it will make people come into the city more because it would be more convenient and less costly (no parking/gas)
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I think Millwoods should be considered before any outlying areas like Sherwood Park, St Albert, etc. I agree with a few on here that ridership might not be too great with the higher incomes in these surrounding communities. And as I stated before.. Millwoods on the other hand, has a demographics that is ideal for LRT usage.
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I think Millwoods should be considered before any outlying areas like Sherwood Park, St Albert, etc. I agree with a few on here that ridership might not be too great with the higher incomes in these surrounding communities. And as I stated before.. Millwoods on the other hand, has a demographics that is ideal for LRT usage.
amen...not to mention potential intensification around a SE line.
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