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View Poll Results: Would you vote for a ETS Rapid Transit masterplan scheme?
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2007, 3:37 PM
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I am concerned about the impact the new LRT work will have on the wonderful city of Edmonton. The completed project will be an eyesore and the social impact will be catastrophic.

I have just moved to Alberta from Vancouver, and have paid close attention to the planning, construction and social impacts of that city's Skytrain.

Before moving to Alberta, I had a contracting company in Vancouver and, in the course of my business, I became familiar with all aspects of how the city functioned.
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I have a soft spot for Edmonton because my mother was born there and my sweetheart currently resides there.

The LRT is economically inefficient and will destroy the lives of many people.

The vast majority of Vancouverites do not care about Skytrain and the latest expansion had a difficult time before city council eventually passed it.

The cost of the latest phase was estimated at $3 billion, but shortly before construction started it was announced there may be some significant cost overruns due to budgeting errors. The public has never been told the actual cost.

Less than a month after construction started, all properties in greater Vancouver were reassessed and their assessment value increased by an average of 40 per cent. Vancouverites, being educated socialists, did not complain. They had confidence in the government. Social justice would be achieved when the project was completed and we would all be that much closer to the happy planet. Sometimes the benefits outweigh the costs.

My brother-in-law is a 17-year veteran of the Vancouver police department and he says the main purpose of Skytrain is to transport drug dealers. The Province newspaper reported that many crimes happen within a block of Skytrain stations. Housing near Skytrain routes becomes an eyesore.

Edmonton should do the right thing and pull the plug on its LRT project. Two years from now, few will remember that the partially completed structure was even there.

Buster Irwin,

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Old Posted Dec 27, 2007, 3:39 PM
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LRT planning needs bold vision

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Thursday, December 27, 2007

LRT planning must take a long-term view in order to reach not only Edmonton collector points, but also the entire region.
CREDIT: Bruce Edwards, The Journal, File
LRT planning must take a long-term view in order to reach not only Edmonton collector points, but also the entire region.

Re: "City Hall axes bus rapid transit: Concept in works since 2004 abandoned in favour of more LRT," The Journal, Dec. 13.

Thirty years after our community was the first in North America to build light rail transit, the city should be commended for scrapping the bus rapid transit plans to focus on LRT expansion.

Unfortunately, with an aging demographic, growth pressures, increasing concerns about our climate and looming fuel price shocks, even the current LRT "fast-tracking" looks grossly inadequate.

With BRT gone, and an update to the nine-year-old Transportation Master Plan in the works, as well as a 30-year growth strategy for the city headed our way, the high-speed transit plan needs to be drastically updated into a comprehensive, robust and aggressive LRT plan which addresses the challenges.

Little is known about the so-called Long-Term Comprehensive Public Transportation Strategy that the city is developing, but several things are clear.

First, the current method of studying potential LRT routes is insufficient. Each of the studies is separate and disconnected. With no plan for how the end system will look or operate, it's not good enough to place the potential impacts on area residents and vehicular traffic above the long-term interests of the city as a whole.

Second, the new LRT plan must integrate the Transportation Master Plan with our new Municipal Development Plan, which proposes three distinct scenarios. Two of them advocate a status quo of unlimited suburban sprawl for the next 30 years. The only MDP strategy that is economically, socially, and environmentally sustainable is the Compact Growth Scenario 2040. Not only is it the best option for the city over the long haul, but also it optimizes "smart growth" with transit-oriented developments such as Century Park.

Third, the new LRT plan must be a catalyst for regional co-operation and integration. While it may not make sense to extend LRT to St. Albert, Fort Saskatchewan, Sherwood Park, Leduc, Devon, or Stony Plain immediately, planning corridors to get there eventually does. In the meantime, we can integrate our LRT and transit-oriented developments with regional air and rail nodes, further strengthening the region into Port Alberta.

Finally, if we want to design and build a system which encourages a modal shift, we need to re-analyze the costs and benefits of all potential route alignments for the system as a whole. Ideally, this means shifting at least one new line off the existing track, where timing and scheduling logistics could easily congest the tunnel downtown.

Currently, the north LRT alignment stops short of the Edmonton City Centre Airport. Why not close the ECCA and build a massive urban village supported by a northwest LRT extension to St. Albert?

A separate line could split and follow 97th Street north, after stopping at NAIT. South of Kingsway, the two lines could merge and follow an empty corridor to 109th Street and St. Joseph's before hitting Grant MacEwan and Grandin.

From there the new line naturally goes southeast via the High Level, Garneau, Whyte Avenue, and through Strathcona Junction, where the high-speed rail would terminate.

From there, existing rail corridors lead to Argyll and 91st Street south, before turning east to Lakewood and Mill Woods transit centre via 28th Avenue.

We would need to extend the south LRT to the International Airport in time to close the City Centre Airport, but this could be a great first step before building lines east, west, and southwest.

The next leg of the LRT system may not look like this exactly, but we've got to be far bolder in how we plan for it now.

To maximize efficiency, each leg must run as a distinct line from one end of the city to the other, while using existing rail or natural corridors wherever possible to reduce cost, and we need a new plan in 2008 to guide it all. Where there's a will -- and enough cash -- there's a way.

As the capital city of the richest province in the wealthiest of nations, what are we waiting for?

Jordan Schroder, member, Transit Riders Union of Edmonton
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"My brother-in-law is a 17-year veteran of the Vancouver police department and he says the main purpose of Skytrain is to transport drug dealers. The Province newspaper reported that many crimes happen within a block of Skytrain stations. Housing near Skytrain routes becomes an eyesore."

perhaps your brother should work in tandem with the transit police more and crack down on these crack heads?

"housing near skytrain routes becomes an eyesore???"

well mr. guy, you just stated your ignorance.
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How the hell does the LRT destroy peoples lives?
"Oh no, here comes that darn LRT. Ever since it came by our place, life hasn't been the same with easier transit to places like football and hockey games and work downtown. Curses LRT for ruining my life"...

Pfffttt. I guess living in the rain to long in Vancity damages brain cells.
     
     
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Never mind the schizophrenic-like writing, I find it interesting how the person who wants the LRT killed is from Innisfail...
     
     
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^more widerer roads for dually F-350 super extended cummings dura-maxes are needed so i can haul my 200gallon extra fuely tank through the city to get me my denny's.
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I'm picturing the guy to be about 75, lives on a farm and still believes the Ruskies are coming after us all...

Unfortunately people like him are the ones who put and are still keeping unenlightened MLA's and gov'ts in the ledge...
     
     
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I'm picturing the guy to be about 75, lives on a farm and still believes the Ruskies are coming after us all...

Unfortunately people like him are the ones who put and are still keeping unenlightened MLA's and gov'ts in the ledge...
That government did just grant a yearly amount to all cities that would make Toronto blush if it had comparable money.
     
     
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Transportation manager eyes LRT expansion west

Plans for new LRT lines to be presented to city council later this month

Last Updated: Thursday, January 3, 2008 | 2:15 AM MT
CBC News

Edmonton's new manager of transportation wants to push ahead with extending the city's LRT into the west end, as well as southeast to Mill Woods and northeast to Fort Saskatchewan.

The plan would cost billions of dollars but Bob Boutilier, who was hired from Toronto in late 2007, said a large part of the tab would be picked up by the federal government which is pushing for more light rail transit.

In December, the city's transportation department shelved a proposed bus rapid transit system, which would have seen high-capacity buses speed along a dedicated roadway.

"We're just not going to tear people's houses down to get a couple more minutes on a bus route. That doesn't make any sense," said Boutilier, who argued the proposal would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for property purchases, demolition, construction and new buses.

"I don't want to waste staff, time and energy on anything less than the LRT," Boutilier told CBC News.

He will present his plan for LRT expansion to city council later this month.

Edmonton's LRT currently runs to the northeast and to the south from downtown. Boutilier wants to see the line extended into west Edmonton, north to the NAIT campus, northeast to Fort Saskatchewan, and southeast to Mill Woods.

Adolfo Ruiz, who lives in the west end, agrees with the expansion plans.

"I'm all for the LRT expansion actually," said Ruiz. "I would much rather see an LRT infrastructure developed rather than continue to try to solve the problem, but not completely, through bus options."
     
     
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Transportation manager eyes LRT expansion west

Plans for new LRT lines to be presented to city council later this month

Last Updated: Thursday, January 3, 2008 | 2:15 AM MT
CBC News

Edmonton's new manager of transportation wants to push ahead with extending the city's LRT into the west end, as well as southeast to Mill Woods and northeast to Fort Saskatchewan.

The plan would cost billions of dollars but Bob Boutilier, who was hired from Toronto in late 2007, said a large part of the tab would be picked up by the federal government which is pushing for more light rail transit.

In December, the city's transportation department shelved a proposed bus rapid transit system, which would have seen high-capacity buses speed along a dedicated roadway.

"We're just not going to tear people's houses down to get a couple more minutes on a bus route. That doesn't make any sense," said Boutilier, who argued the proposal would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for property purchases, demolition, construction and new buses.

"I don't want to waste staff, time and energy on anything less than the LRT," Boutilier told CBC News.

He will present his plan for LRT expansion to city council later this month.

Edmonton's LRT currently runs to the northeast and to the south from downtown. Boutilier wants to see the line extended into west Edmonton, north to the NAIT campus, northeast to Fort Saskatchewan, and southeast to Mill Woods.

Adolfo Ruiz, who lives in the west end, agrees with the expansion plans.

"I'm all for the LRT expansion actually," said Ruiz. "I would much rather see an LRT infrastructure developed rather than continue to try to solve the problem, but not completely, through bus options."
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Transportation manager eyes LRT expansion west

Plans for new LRT lines to be presented to city council later this month

Last Updated: Thursday, January 3, 2008 | 2:15 AM MT
CBC News

Edmonton's new manager of transportation wants to push ahead with extending the city's LRT into the west end, as well as southeast to Mill Woods and northeast to Fort Saskatchewan.

The plan would cost billions of dollars but Bob Boutilier, who was hired from Toronto in late 2007, said a large part of the tab would be picked up by the federal government which is pushing for more light rail transit.

In December, the city's transportation department shelved a proposed bus rapid transit system, which would have seen high-capacity buses speed along a dedicated roadway.

"We're just not going to tear people's houses down to get a couple more minutes on a bus route. That doesn't make any sense," said Boutilier, who argued the proposal would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for property purchases, demolition, construction and new buses.

"I don't want to waste staff, time and energy on anything less than the LRT," Boutilier told CBC News.

He will present his plan for LRT expansion to city council later this month.

Edmonton's LRT currently runs to the northeast and to the south from downtown. Boutilier wants to see the line extended into west Edmonton, north to the NAIT campus, northeast to Fort Saskatchewan, and southeast to Mill Woods.

Adolfo Ruiz, who lives in the west end, agrees with the expansion plans.

"I'm all for the LRT expansion actually," said Ruiz. "I would much rather see an LRT infrastructure developed rather than continue to try to solve the problem, but not completely, through bus options."

That's awesome. The guy makes sense.

But who's Adolfo Ruiz?
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With such a huge population and a demographics that is ideal for LRT usage, I'm happy to see that Millwoods was not left out by the Transportation manager. If an LRT line goes SE to Millwoods, I wonder if it would continue even further to Sherwood Park in the future.
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YEG needs bus service, preferably LRT, ASAP. For a city with an airport as far out as ours, there is no question.
I think any City with an airport as far out from the CBD or further has either a commuter train or LRT. Certainly in Europe anyway.
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