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Old Posted Dec 5, 2007, 3:36 PM
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The SP is reporting that Phase III of Preston Crossing has been approved, with two new tenants to come in 2008. One is a major home reno centre (which the developer won't name at this time), the other is a Chili's. As exciting as more big box is to discuss, my guess on the reno store is Loews.

Also, the Stonegate big box tarmac has an Adidas Outlet, which is a first for the city.
     
     
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^ My guess would be Rona. I wish the new Adidas outlet would have been downtown.
     
     
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An easy case can be made for preserving the Barry: It's a spectacular heritage building (unlike that dump of a paint store they tore down for the MOB, which the Heritage Society railed against), and we can look to the Broadway Theatre as a shining example of what can be overcome. Didn't that place used to screen 🞵🞵🞵🞵? Now it's an art move house.

If Riversdale is to become the next hot, revitalized neighbourhood, the Barry can be a cornerstone - preserved / restored structure, local retail or offices inside, plus nice condos on top. With the creation of the farmers market and River Landing, I don't understand why developers haven't seized on this yet.

This is sounding like another letter to the editor.
     
     
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Source: http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoen...?id=754a5426-ada0-435c-bb77-68aefb148fc7
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City council OKs Preston mall's third phase
Jill Smith, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, December 05, 2007

Saskatoon will soon be home to another big-box home improvement store, as the city approved the third phase of Preston Crossing on Monday night.

Fred Kwan, owner of the Home Hardware on Central Avenue, is bracing himself for the opening. He said he's just gained back customers since Wal-Mart and Canadian Tire opened at Preston Crossing.

"I try not to let it bother me," said Kwan. "It'll eat you up alive, so you try to work with what you've got right now to improve your own store."

Coun. Darren Hill said other retailers shouldn't be worried about the new development.

"There's going to be no concerns whatsoever with it affecting retail on Central," he said.

But Kwan disagrees.

"It's only like a mile away," said Kwan. "Think about if somebody opened up right beside you -- obviously it's going to hurt you."

Kwan said his customers eventually did come back, mostly because of his personal service.

The last phase will be east of the Wal-Mart, and will have a home improvement anchor store and Chili's Restaurant, according to the report that went before council. The new store is slated to open late in 2008.

Harvard Developments Ltd., which is leasing the land from the University of Saskatchewan, would not confirm which company would be moving into the retail space.

A market impact report by MXD Development Strategists Ltd. estimates the new home improvement store will reduce sales for other similar stores in Saskatoon for about a year.

The new store is expected to capture about nine per cent of home retail sales, leaving about 91 per cent of the market open for other businesses, according to the report.

Coun. Charlie Clark, whose ward encompasses Preston Crossing, said Tuesday the impact report is banking on big growth in the future.

"We don't know how long this growth's going to last," he said. "Is it going to be the bigger guys or the little guys that are going to suffer if those projections are wrong?" he asked.

Clark opposed the third phase at the council meeting. He said there are already four big-box home improvement stores on Circle Drive within a 10-minute drive from each another.

"I'm not opposed to development," said Clark, adding he thought the city should be developing in a more compact way. He would like the city to move toward mixed-use designs, where people live, work and shop in the same community.

"It's the way of the future. I don't see why we're not doing it in the present," said Clark. He said he'd like the city and the university to work together on more projects in the future.

City council originally approved all phases of Preston Crossing, in principle, on Oct. 16, 2000. The third phase of Preston Crossing includes 113,000 square feet of shopping centre floor area and about 530 more parking spaces. Once the third phase is completed, the development will have about 575,000 square feet.

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An easy case can be made for preserving the Barry: It's a spectacular heritage building (unlike that dump of a paint store they tore down for the MOB, which the Heritage Society railed against), and we can look to the Broadway Theatre as a shining example of what can be overcome. Didn't that place used to screen 🞵🞵🞵🞵? Now it's an art move house.
I lived in Saskatoon in the 70's and 80's, and it's true that Broadway was definitely on its way to becoming a seedy strip. The Broadway theatre had turned into a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 theatre. They had to replace the seats and renovate the interior before turning it into an arts theatre. The rest of the street wasn't much better, with a series of biker bars and sketchy retail. 20 years later it's become somewhat urban and hip.

The corner of 3rd Ave and 25th street used to have brick rowhouses and a cornerstore similar to some old world cities. That was torn down to make way for a Mac's Milk Store. I think it's still there.

You can bet this is what will replace the Barry Hotel, should they decide to tear it down. The unfortunate thing is tearing down the Barry won't get rid of the drug problem.

It's too bad that there aren't some councillors who were around in the 70's and 80's, as they might be able to articulate how a bit of imagination could allow 20th Street to transform itself, similar to how Broadway transformed itself.

As much as I like Saskatoon, the majority of residents seem to need a swift kick, and one wonders if they ought to be tied up and forced to listen to Joni Mitchell's "Big Yellow Taxi ... Pave Paradise and Put Up a Parking Lot" over and over again until they get the message!
     
     
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As much as I like Saskatoon, the majority of residents seem to need a swift kick
I think we're all with you on that one!
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About those "old world" townhouses.. I never knew that's what that Mac's replaced . Across from that store on the west side of 3rd there's still a townhouse block remaining that, coincidentally, I always considered somewhat "old world." I hope that they, along with the Barry and many other precious buildings in our city may remain...
I dread the day they propose ripping down the Bez for a world-class, riverfront Wal-mart.
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At least one SP hack has come out in favour of preserving the Barry. As alluded to in this piece, no one in the private sector has stepped forward to take on the property and the challenge of cleaning it up. It has been on the market for quite sometime.

More symptoms than symbol
Randy Burton, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, December 06, 2007


City Coun. Pat Lorje is likely right about the Barry Hotel, but for all the wrong reasons.

She says the Barry must die because it's a symbol of everything that's wrong with Riversdale. Bulldoze the hotel and the area's spirit will rise like a phoenix from the ashes, she says. Leave it standing and it will continue to be a millstone around the neck of the neighbourhood.

Well no, actually. You don't have to tear down the Barry to get rid of the problems. All you have to do is close the bar.
Deprive the drunks of a place to fight and there would be no calls to police from the place. Without a watering hole, the ne'er-do-wells will have to go somewhere else.

It's not like the Barry is the first building in Saskatoon to have an unsavoury reputation. Those with long memories will remember when the Broadway Theatre was the kind of place where guys in raincoats went to watch soft-core 🞵🞵🞵🞵 movies.

Did anyone demand it be razed in order to cleanse the neighbourhood? No. Eventually it closed, later to be reborn as the Broadway we know today, a symbol of alternative cinema and community involvement.

Those with even longer memories will remember Nicholson Bros. motorcycle shop on Third Avenue, which closed after the Nicholsons decamped for Calgary. For awhile, the building was a Greek restaurant, and it became a peep show, right across from city hall. It was eventually zoned out of action and later became part of a business college.

The peep show was hardly a positive symbol for the downtown, but no one felt the need to call in the bulldozer there, either.

The question for the Barry is not what it represents, but whether it's realistic to renovate the building for something else. The answer lies right across the street at the former Albany Hotel.

In it's more notorious days, the Albany was every bit as unsavoury as the Barry, a dodgy place that featured regular fistfights and worse, including an incident in which the bar's bouncer was stabbed to death right outside the bar.

It too, was a symbol of neighbourhood decay, but no one claimed the answer was the wrecking ball. Instead the Albany was converted to a halfway house for federal prisoners designated as no threat to the community.

Today, it's called Meewasinota, a Cree word for "good place to camp." It now houses about 25 people trying to integrate back into the community and there have been no particular problems, in spite of the reservations expressed by the community at the time. You might even call it a symbol of hope and new beginnings.

However, the cost of renovations likely doesn't justify redeveloping the Barry, says the Meewasinota's owner, Dale Beavis, a longtime Saskatoon hotelier. He says it cost something like $600,000 to $700,000 to refurbish the old Albany, and that was seven years ago.

"I think you could factor that by three or more times now," Beavis said in an interview.

If the city was to think about redeveloping the building, it would not only have to deal with cleaning it up and ensuring it meets the proper building codes, but the whole design would likely have to be changed, too.

This is a problem the old Albany didn't have, since Corrections Canada was able to use the small rooms of the hotel.

"We didn't really move any walls at all, so that was relatively inexpensive, but as soon as you have to change things around, that really, really gets expensive," Beavis said.

It might be possible to construct low-income housing in the place, but it might be cheaper to simply build new.

As for the heritage value of the Barry, it was completely rebuilt in 1946 after a major fire, so it's no longer a relic of Saskatoon's boom years but merely a post-war survivor.

Still, Beavis looks at the pending closure of the Barry with mixed feelings. Even though the building could likely be saved, "there's a perception over on 20th that it's not a desirable area. In reality it's changing and it's probably changing faster than the perception.

"If that building was sitting on Second Avenue North, recycling it would probably be the way to go, but there, it's just so risky.

"If I were to say to you today, would you like to get up right now and go have your office in the Barry Hotel? Even if it was a nice new building?

"But you know, I had my office in the Albany back in 2000 when we were renovating and it's a very nice place to be around. There's nothing going on over there that isn't happening everywhere else, but now I'm talking about the daytime.

"But if the night-time drinking crowd went away, the night time wouldn't be that bad either."

It may not be economic to rebuild the Barry Hotel, but to say it could never live down its past is to ignore a lot of Saskatoon history.

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I found these minor snippets in the condensed agenda of City Council's Dec. 3 meeting:

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On November 1, 2007, The Rumley Distinctive Lofts Inc. advised the Administration that the nature of the project has changed slightly since the October 9, 2007 City Council meeting. Initially, the project was intended to include residential units on all five floors plus two additional penthouses for a total of 32 residential units. The project has since been revised to incorporate commercial space on the main floor, reducing the number of residential units by six for a total of 26 units.
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This winter, the City will begin developing the Request for Proposals for the “Feature Building” site which was an important element of the Master Plan developed for the River Landing Phase I Riverfront.
The building component was included “to provide the major site identity structure as well as commercial opportunity (proposed restaurant) with extended hours of operation to provide a focus for activities, and to provide income for riverfront development and management.” The report identified the feature building as a high development priority.
The site was designed to support a three-storey building including two stories of restaurant. The bottom floor (level with the riverwalk) is located within the 500-year flood zone; therefore, no permanent fixtures are allowed. However, the lower floor could accommodate space for programming, storage, or a “tourism” oriented operator which could include river tours and rentals.
It is proposed that the City issue a Request for Proposals from qualified developers for the long-term lease of the site and subsequent development.
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Norm Fisher of Royal LePage had this to say about the Rumley units:
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One condo, in the Rumley project, was reported as selling approximately $90,000 above the list price. This tweaked my interest and prompted a call to the listing agent. She tells me that the additional dollars reflect upgrades that the buyer chose to have added and that the selling price matches what would have been the asking price had these upgrades been included with the original listing. I was amazed to learn that 9 condos have already been sold in this project fetching prices from around $550K to almost one million dollars.
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His blog has a great selection of comments from others and he also posted links to economist reports on the state of Saskatoon real estate and the Saskatchewan economy in general

Oh and I'm glad they decided to keep the main floor commercial, that area will utilize it well in the very near future.
     
     
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I'll be curious to see how million dollar condos an Jack's Night Club co-exist. I can't see it being a congenial realtionship.
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CTV news at 1130 has a story on the condo proposal adjacent to St Johns Cathedral and mentioned that the Church is defending the condo development.

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so it is tonights news?
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so it is tonights news?
Yep at 1130 CTV local....or is it 11 PM on Sundays? hmmmm
     
     
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I don't think I can make it, someone post the details for me in the morning..
     
     
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Waiting for the good news that it will be a 30 story glass tower.......
     
     
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...I imagine that will be a long wait.

On a much smaller note, the refurbishing of the KG Parkade is just about finished. It's still just a parkade of course, but it's lost that dilapidated look. They've maintained 2 retail spots on ground level.

Here's hoping they Sasktel has signed on for enough parking spots to clear out the prime 2nd Ave. location their vans currently occupy.
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City Awaits Expressions of Interest On Lighthouse Project



Written by Jim Mattern - 600 Action News-Local First
Monday, 10 December 2007

Requests for expressions of interest have been sent out by the provincial government for the construction of a high-rise at the corner of 23rd street and Fourth Avenue that will house the Lighthouse Affordable housing project.

The Lighthouse is currently located in Capri Place on 20th street and the high rise would create new accommodations . Allan Wallace, the Manager of Neighborhood Planning for the city says the first seven floors would accommodate Lighthouse clients, and its hoped the eventual developer would consider market condominiums on the upper floors. Underground parking would also be provided which would be leased to the Police Service which is currently using the lot for parking. Wallace says the ground floor may include some retail or office space, bits unlikely that would mean a grocery store.

He says there are some discussions about a food store going into the King George Hotel development, and the city is meeting with a grocery store chain about the possibility of locating a food store in the downtown area as well. But Wallace says there are no firm plans at the moment.

The cost of the building is about 13 million dollars, with the province committing 11.5 million to the project
     
     
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doesnt make it sound to special mabey now a developer can take the capri building out of its misery and build something deserving there.

meanwhile the news yesterday said pretty much the same stuff.
church needs money
perfect place for a highrise
and the house isnt too special and should be removed off the heritage site

i feel sad for one family though, the family that is renting the house
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so i have a tasty rumour...im not sure if anyone else knew this, but i was at the heritage room in the main library, and i heard some men talking about the kg, i asked what they are finishing the facade with, they said that it is beleived to be glass. i personally like glass, but not on the kg, you couldnt tell that it was once a heritage building, and i dont think it would look that nice on 🞵🞵🞵🞵 a small building. most on this site dislike brick, but for this particular building, a nice brick would do the job i would say.
     
     
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i agree the kg doesnt seem like a building that should have glass. Brick would look better. Are you sure they said this and how long ago?

also on the heritage website the top buildings at risk right now are

St. Mary’s School in Pleasant Hill
The Weir
The Barry Hotel in Riversdale
Broadway Avenue
The deanery at St. John’s Anglican cathedral on Spadina Crescent
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