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^I wonder what they are waiting for?
     
     
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oakland sighting

As I was going to see the new dino exhibit at the natural history
museum yesterday I noticed a legal notice for a second hearing posted
at the old Exxon station next to the bridge over Boundary Street.

I didn't have time to read it in detail, but it basically said that
the property owner is working on getting a zoning variance to build an
eleven story hotel on that site. So it looks like the owner is slowly
making progress on the legal issues relating to this:

Upscale hotel in works for busy Oakland university, museum corridor
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2006/09/18/story3.html

Seems like a good spot for a hotel (to capture CMU and museum business).
     
     
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As I was going to see the new dino exhibit at the natural history
museum yesterday I noticed a legal notice for a second hearing posted
at the old Exxon station next to the bridge over Boundary Street.

I didn't have time to read it in detail, but it basically said that
the property owner is working on getting a zoning variance to build an
eleven story hotel on that site. So it looks like the owner is slowly
making progress on the legal issues relating to this:

Upscale hotel in works for busy Oakland university, museum corridor
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2006/09/18/story3.html

Seems like a good spot for a hotel (to capture CMU and museum business).
This is great! I either totally forgot about it, or totally missed this project. I love seeing the fringes of Oakland filling up and going vertical.
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11 stories... up from the initial 6 stories in the article...

let's just hope the architectural design standards are a little bit higher than the usual Marriott or Hampton that gets plopped down around here... and let's hope that the Schenley Farms NIMBY coalition doesn't come down the hill to kill this project lol
     
     
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This is great! I either totally forgot about it, or totally missed this project. I love seeing the fringes of Oakland filling up and going vertical.
Amen brother!
     
     
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Charlie Batch gets $480k in state aid for redevelopment of Homestead Bakery. It will include residential and retail.

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11 stories... up from the initial 6 stories in the article...

let's just hope the architectural design standards are a little bit higher than the usual Marriott or Hampton that gets plopped down around here... and let's hope that the Schenley Farms NIMBY coalition doesn't come down the hill to kill this project lol
Very true, No reason to have the average marriot that sprout around the airport or Moronville added to Oakland. 11 stories sound excellent. I would love to see Oakland go more verticle and feel more urban than it is now.
     
     
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btw, JackStraw... I am very disappointed at the absence of exterior lighting on the Cathedral of Learning... most days it's totally dark... but if the football team wins (a rare occurance)... they'll light the top of the building in gold... it's still quite minimal... I would love to see this landmark get a good lighting treatment... what do you think?

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I am sorry, but this building just appears to me to be very unispired. The Fifth Avenue facade is particularly bland. I hope they do better
I kind of agree with you. I am more interested in the projects that will be going around uptown and the hill after the Arena gets going. This is a great project to get the ripple of redevelopment started in some of the worse areas. I hope this does the same to these areas that Coors field did to Lodo in Denver.

Also, word on the street is the project is probably going for LEED certification.
     
     
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btw, JackStraw... I am very disappointed at the absence of exterior lighting on the Cathedral of Learning... most days it's totally dark... but if the football team wins (a rare occurance)... they'll light the top of the building in gold... it's still quite minimal... I would love to see this landmark get a good lighting treatment... what do you think?

these are flickr photos (not mine)

football win lighting scheme
I think the lighting of the Cathedral is dull and unimaginative. There is so much gothic architectural elements that can be brought out, and arn't.
     
     
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I kind of agree with you. I am more interested in the projects that will be going around uptown and the hill after the Arena gets going. This is a great project to get the ripple of redevelopment started in some of the worse areas. I hope this does the same to these areas that Coors field did to Lodo in Denver.

Also, word on the street is the project is probably going for LEED certification.
I'm not holding my breath. The North Shore stadia were supposed to usher in a development boom... and what do we have after 6 years? Calico Jack's Cantina... one hotel... the death of Hi-Tops... a couple bland office buildings that relocated jobs from downtown...
     
     
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_538812.html

Change in plans could cost Steelers $10M

By Ron DaParma
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, November 20, 2007


The Steelers are working on alternative ideas for development on the North Shore now that they have scrapped plans for a proposed amphitheater and a companion entertainment complex adjacent to Heinz Field.
But they may have to seek other sources for state funding to replace the $10 million in infrastructure improvements originally sought for the project, Gov. Ed Rendell said Monday.

The team and Columbus-based developer Continental Real Estate Cos. had been working with Cordish Co. of Baltimore to develop the project that was to be known as North Shore Live!

As envisioned, the amphitheater -- topped by an open, glass roof -- would have been ringed by night clubs and other entertainment-themed outlets, and built on vacant land serving as the Gold parking lot near Heinz Field.

In October, the Steelers said they were withdrawing an application for the $10 million in funding under a state Infrastructure and Facilities Improvement Program, now that those plans have changed.
Mike Hart, the team's director of business, said that PSSI Stadium Corp., the company that operates Heinz Field, advised the Pittsburgh Stadium Authority and the state that discussions are under way with other developers for the site.

The Stadium Authority owns the land between Heinz Field and PNC Park, and Continental was selected by the Pirates and Steelers to be the master developer there.

"We have withdrawn the original request for funding under the IFIP program as we re-evaluate our plans for developing an entertainment venue on the North Shore adjacent to Heinz Field," said Barry Ford, president of development at Continental, in a statement Monday.

"We are currently working with HOK (the architect for Heinz Field) and PSSI Stadium Corp. to develop an outline for a year-round multipurpose entertainment facility.

"We are pleased with our progress to date and intend to present a new version of our plan by year's end," Ford said.

When asked about the project funds yesterday, Rendell said, "... The grantee has a certain amount of time to use it or lose it."

So far, neither the team nor Continental have asked to use the funds for an alternative project, Rendell said.

If they don't, he said, "It will be taken back and used for other projects."




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Steelers' Batch plans housing at old bakery in Homestead

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
By Mark Belko, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


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Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch and Gov. Ed Rendell pose for pictures after yesterday's announcement in Homestead.

Charlie Batch called it a dream come true. Only this time he wasn't talking about quarterbacking the hometown Steelers at Heinz Field.

Instead, Mr. Batch was fired up about converting a historic bakery in his hometown of Homestead into loft apartments and commercial and office space with the help of a $480,000 state grant.

Gov. Ed Rendell was in Homestead yesterday to award $4.8 million in state Housing Finance Agency Homeownership Choice Program grants for Mr. Batch's project and six others in Allegheny, Westmoreland and Butler counties.

At a news conference, Mr. Rendell said the state funding will leverage almost $30 million in private investment in the projects, five of which are in Allegheny County and one each in Westmoreland and Butler counties.

In Homestead, Mr. Batch is planning to convert the former Homestead Bakery into 16 loft apartments and six commercial spaces -- two for restaurants, three for retail and one for office.

Plans call for nine one-bedroom and seven two-bedroom apartments with rents ranging from $1,000 to $1,375 a month. Mr. Batch's company, Batch Development Co. Inc., already has secured a letter of interest from one company to lease 1,000 square feet of retail space.

Mr. Batch hopes to get started on the redevelopment soon. It will be his first commercial venture. Until this time, he has worked on rehabbing housing in other parts of Homestead.

He said he sees the project as a way of giving back to his hometown while building off the success of The Waterfront mixed-use development adjacent to the old bakery. One bakery building dates to the 1880s.

"This is first and foremost my hometown so this is exciting for me," he said. "But I think that The Waterfront has been so great to this area. This is a way for the next phase of it to tie the local community into The Waterfront. This is a great project to be able to make that happen."

While Mr. Batch is concentrating on the bakery project at this point, he's not ruling out more development ventures.

"Anything's a possibility," he said. "I'm excited to get this piece going and then we'll see what happens."

Other state housing grants announced yesterday were:

• $1 million for construction of more than 30 single-family houses over three phases on Wylie Avenue in the Hill District. The two-, three-, and four-bedroom houses will range in price from $135,000 to $180,000. The total development cost is $7.7 million.

• $1.3 million for construction of 18 houses in Homestead and seven in Munhall. The two-, three- and four-bedroom homes will cost from $55,000 to $130,000. Total development cost is $6 million.

• $1 million for construction of 22 three-bedroom houses and three four-bedroom houses on South Sixth Street in Jeannette. The houses will be built over three phases with all completed by December 2010. Total development cost is $8.2 million.

• $250,000 to help convert the Beneficial Building on Carson Street on the South Side into six studio apartments and commercial and office space. Total project cost is estimated at $3.3 million.

• $260,500 to rehabilitate two residential and commercial buildings on Ardmore Boulevard in Forest Hills. Total renovation costs are estimated at $875,060.

• $335,000 to build six homes in Butler as part of a larger project that also involves renovation of 46 apartments. Total costs are expected to reach $900,000. The new homes should be finished by next summer.

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Roosevelt details why Schenley may close

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Saying he wants others "to wrestle with the same facts I'm wrestling with," Pittsburgh Public Schools Superintendent Mark Roosevelt yesterday released hundreds of pages of documents to support his recommendation to close the Pittsburgh Schenley High School building.

Joining Mr. Roosevelt at a morning news conference were architects, engineers and environmental specialists whose firms had produced some of the reports detailing problems at the Oakland school. Mr. Roosevelt invited them to the microphone to answer questions.

Mr. Roosevelt and the consultants said the building is filled with asbestos, the mechanical systems obsolete and the problems intertwined; the systems can't be repaired without addressing the asbestos, used as a binding agent, insulator and fire retardant. In an Oct. 19 letter to Mr. Roosevelt, the Downtown architectural firm Astorino urged the district to make a speedy decision about what to do with the school, students and 91-year-old historic building.

"These particular issues that we have addressed are causing safety hazards for the students and because of that, we do not recommend that you go beyond this current school year without doing extensive renovations to the building," wrote Dennis L. Astorino, the firm's chief executive officer and one of the consultants who attended the news conference.

A week after Mr. Astorino wrote that letter, Mr. Roosevelt told school board members in closed-door meetings that he wanted to close the building at the end of the school year and send the 1,100 students to three other locations, including two new, themed schools configured for grades six through 12.

He publicly announced the plans Oct. 31, saying the district couldn't afford $64 million -- mid-range of six estimates the district received since 2003 -- to overhaul the school. The news touched off a firestorm.

Critics have questioned Mr. Roosevelt's renovation estimates and the speed with which he's moving, expressed doubt about the district's efforts to find money to repair the building and called the asbestos issue a smokescreen for plans to sell the building to the University of Pittsburgh or UPMC, something the district denies.

By the end of last week, Mr. Roosevelt had proposed moving Schenley's current students to a single location in Shadyside in fall 2008 and letting them stay together until graduation. That would allow him to close Schenley's building at the end of this school year, phase out the school over three more school years and gradually build the new themed schools.

If Mr. Roosevelt hoped to calm the waters by releasing documents to show he's acting on the advice of outside experts and been left with few options, the critics weren't immediately ceding any ground.

Nick Lardas, a Schenley graduate whose Oakland contracting company works on historic buildings, said the building's fate is just one issue. He said Schenley supporters are upset that Mr. Roosevelt has proposed dismantling one of the city's best-performing high schools for an "experiment" in 6-12 schools.

Mr. Roosevelt said the documents would be provided to leaders of the "Save Schenley" movement. Some documents were posted on the district's Web site at www.pps.k12.pa.us.

One diagram of Schenley's third floor showed dozens of red marks where asbestos was found during a 2002 survey by AGX Inc., an environmental consulting firm in McCandless.

"It's in every wall, in every ceiling, on every floor," and more prevalent in Schenley than other district schools, the district's chief operations officer, Richard Fellers, said yesterday.

As far back as November 2005, Mr. Fellers said in a report that "ceiling and wall plaster (particularly on the upper floors) is falling away from surfaces on a recurring basis" and warned that the problem could worsen.

As officials tell it, that's what happened. After a ceiling collapse in a stairwell last summer, the district spent $750,000 to repair 10,000 worn areas of plaster building-wide.

The district yesterday said the installation of new windows in 2005 has reduced ventilation, contributed to humidity and weakened the plaster. Mr. Fellers said the city's Historic Review Commission insisted on that type of window to preserve Schenley's appearance, a point the commission wasn't able to address yesterday.

Mr. Roosevelt yesterday released six renovation cost estimates, the highest an $86.9 million proposal from L. Robert Kimball & Associates in 2005. That proposal included $500,000 for refurbishing an organ. Ryan M. Pierce, the Downtown firm's vice president and market sector leader, said the proposal was not only a renovation but a "restoration" of the building.

Astorino last year proposed $64.4 million for various work, including new mechanical systems and removal of asbestos. But the firm said it could do a more limited project, encapsulating asbestos rather than removing it, for $42.4 million or $37.8 million, depending on whether air-conditioning was included.

Documents showed the $42.4 million option was endorsed by the Schenley task force Mr. Roosevelt established in 2005. The group said the district could push the bottom line lower by selling the former Reizenstein Middle school building in Shadyside and leveraging $1.5 million in historic tax credits.

In another document, however, the district says it didn't want to sell Reizenstein and found the historic tax credits unfeasible. The document said the district also considered and rejected the idea of letting a developer build offices or residential units atop the school.

Mr. Roosevelt said he fears that a partial renovation merely would mean doing more work down the road. Two Kimball executives said they doubted a partial project would be feasible now anyway because the falling plaster would prevent the asbestos from being encapsulated.

The district is spending $10,000 a month to inspect the building and check the air for asbestos.

So far, Mr. Roosevelt said, the air quality is fine and the building safe for students.

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Tunnel digger assembly begins today


Workers prepare a tunnel-boring machine that will carve the first of two tunnels connecting Downtown with the North Shore.
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By Jim Ritchie
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, November 20, 2007


A 1.2 million pound machine that will bore a tunnel beneath the Allegheny River is expected to be lowered today 55 feet below the surface of the North Shore near PNC Park.
The three sections of the tunnel-boring machine will be linked and then tested before it begins carving out the first of two tunnels connecting Downtown with the North Shore, as part of Port Authority's $435 million T subway extension.

"They'll do some test-boring and try to advance the machine about 60 feet," said Winston Simmonds, the authority's rail operations-engineering manager. "They'll stop through the holidays, and in the new year they'll advance the machine another 150 feet, install the rest of the trailing gear and in mid-January, that's when mining in earnest will start."

When completed, sometime in 2011, the 2,400-foot twin tunnels will extend the transit agency's T light rail system from Gateway Station Downtown to the developing North Shore, adding two stations near PNC Park and Heinz Field.

The tunneling project, publicly derided amid concerns about cost and safety, will not start with the fanfare of a major regional improvement project.
"Hopefully, the concern would be turned into responsible response and management by the entity building it," said Peter Tarkoy, a tunneling expert who owns GeoConSol, a Sherborn, Mass., consulting firm.

"Underground projects are at the mercy of the natural conditions, and you can't define them 100 percent. You can only do some borings in the ground and test those ... and if there's a lot of loopholes in the contract, then of course the contractor is going to take advantage of it."

Port Authority has cut the project's size because of rising costs. To address safety issues, the authority has inspectors to monitor the work.

Pushed by previous generations of politicians, those in office now acknowledge they'd rather extend the T to Oakland or Pittsburgh International Airport. They chose not to halt the work for fear of losing federal money, which accounts for 80 percent of the $435 million projected cost.

"If Dan (Onorato) had been county executive at the time, he might have selected a different project," said Kevin Evanto, spokesman for the Allegheny County chief executive. "Yet this project can be something very positive and successful for the region."

Port Authority awarded a $156.5 million first-phase contract to build the tunnels to North Shore Constructors, a joint venture of West Mifflin-based Trumbull Corp. and Obayashi Corp. of San Francisco.

This leg of the T is projected to serve more than 14,000 passengers a day, or more than 4 million a year. The agency serves about 240,000 riders on an average day.

The tunnel-boring machine is expected to cut through about 20 to 30 feet of dirt and rock daily.

The starting pit is at the intersection of Reedsdale Street and Mazeroski Way. The tunneling will end beneath Stanwix Street, not far from Fort Duquesne Boulevard. The machine will make a U-turn and dig a second tunnel back to the North Shore.



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I'm not holding my breath. The North Shore stadia were supposed to usher in a development boom... and what do we have after 6 years? Calico Jack's Cantina... one hotel... the death of Hi-Tops... a couple bland office buildings that relocated jobs from downtown...
I hate our north shore planning. I for one think that Heinz field could have been put in a different location. I compare a lot to Denver since I lived there for a while. They had Invesco about 2 miles from downtown. Why take up valuable space with acres full of parking next to the city center. It could have been built on a brownfield somewhere and had the exact same benefits. You bring 60,000 people down to an area 8 times a year, maybe a couple more times with big concerts. This space could be used for other redevelpoment projects to help bring in more office space, apartments, lofts, and retail on the north shore. I like baseball parks near the city center and PNC was perfect. However it didn't help at all in revitalizing the north shore. If you look at Coors field in Denver, Lodo (lower downtown) was a old run down area. Once Coors field came in everybody wanted to be in Lower Downtown, and now it is trendy and nice.

I still think the Pen's arena will help out more. One since the pens are planning to contribute to redevelopment around the new arena in a hotel, residential buildings, and retail. It seems as if Pittsburgh is trying to capitalize of this project. The one problem with the north shore is they just pretty much took a existing stadium and put in two newer ones not thinking about anything further from that. It seems (as of now) that the redevelopment of uptown will be largely considered in this project.
     
     
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It would be great if they could save Shenley highschool, but asbestos can cause a major problem with doing renovation projects. The cost alone of demolishing the asbestos laced areas is real high.

The cheapest way would be to conceal the asbestos. Just leave it where it is and figure out innovative ways to update the mechanical/electrical systems without touching the asbestos laced areas.
     
     
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Change in plans could cost Steelers $10M

By Ron DaParma
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, November 20, 2007


The Steelers are working on alternative ideas for development on the North Shore now that they have scrapped plans for a proposed amphitheater and a companion entertainment complex adjacent to Heinz Field.
But they may have to seek other sources for state funding to replace the $10 million in infrastructure improvements originally sought for the project, Gov. Ed Rendell said Monday.

The team and Columbus-based developer Continental Real Estate Cos. had been working with Cordish Co. of Baltimore to develop the project that was to be known as North Shore Live!

As envisioned, the amphitheater -- topped by an open, glass roof -- would have been ringed by night clubs and other entertainment-themed outlets, and built on vacant land serving as the Gold parking lot near Heinz Field.

In October, the Steelers said they were withdrawing an application for the $10 million in funding under a state Infrastructure and Facilities Improvement Program, now that those plans have changed.
Mike Hart, the team's director of business, said that PSSI Stadium Corp., the company that operates Heinz Field, advised the Pittsburgh Stadium Authority and the state that discussions are under way with other developers for the site.

The Stadium Authority owns the land between Heinz Field and PNC Park, and Continental was selected by the Pirates and Steelers to be the master developer there.

"We have withdrawn the original request for funding under the IFIP program as we re-evaluate our plans for developing an entertainment venue on the North Shore adjacent to Heinz Field," said Barry Ford, president of development at Continental, in a statement Monday.

"We are currently working with HOK (the architect for Heinz Field) and PSSI Stadium Corp. to develop an outline for a year-round multipurpose entertainment facility.

"We are pleased with our progress to date and intend to present a new version of our plan by year's end," Ford said.

When asked about the project funds yesterday, Rendell said, "... The grantee has a certain amount of time to use it or lose it."

So far, neither the team nor Continental have asked to use the funds for an alternative project, Rendell said.

If they don't, he said, "It will be taken back and used for other projects."




Ron DaParma can be reached at [email protected] or 412-320-7907.
I was actually going to post a question if anybody has ever heard about what was happening with North Shore Live. Thanks for the article. I am really hoping for a entertainment center like this. We need something that can host good bands in venues that need to be 5 thousand or so. I read an article when I moved back about how bands like the Decembrants, Modest Mouse, the Shins, and so many more skip Pittsburgh because we don't offer venues for these kind of shows.We can get Def Leopard to Star Lake though!


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/living/music/pop/s_502573.html

There is the article I was talking about. It is kind of old, but atleast I am not mentioning articles with no back up.

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I hate our north shore planning. I for one think that Heinz field could have been put in a different location. I compare a lot to Denver since I lived there for a while. They had Invesco about 2 miles from downtown. Why take up valuable space with acres full of parking next to the city center. It could have been built on a brownfield somewhere and had the exact same benefits. You bring 60,000 people down to an area 8 times a year, maybe a couple more times with big concerts. This space could be used for other redevelpoment projects to help bring in more office space, apartments, lofts, and retail on the north shore. I like baseball parks near the city center and PNC was perfect. However it didn't help at all in revitalizing the north shore. If you look at Coors field in Denver, Lodo (lower downtown) was a old run down area. Once Coors field came in everybody wanted to be in Lower Downtown, and now it is trendy and nice.

I still think the Pen's arena will help out more. One since the pens are planning to contribute to redevelopment around the new arena in a hotel, residential buildings, and retail. It seems as if Pittsburgh is trying to capitalize of this project. The one problem with the north shore is they just pretty much took a existing stadium and put in two newer ones not thinking about anything further from that. It seems (as of now) that the redevelopment of uptown will be largely considered in this project.
That's exactly the way I feel. A baseball stadium is great for an urban environment; a football stadium is not. Baseball stadiums have sporting events 81 days a year (and almost half the days from April through September). The architecture of PNC Park fits better into the urban context as well.

Heinz Field actually is used about 17 days a year if you count Steelers preseason and the small crowds that turn out for the pitiful Pittsburgh Panthers. Add in a couple Kenny Chesney concerts and it's still a gigantic empty monolith 99% of the time. It's basically a huge dead zone in the urban core. Go over to the area around there most days.. not a soul in sight... just vast desolate parking lots (that the Steelers' are failing to develop).

Also, I think PNC Park is not living up to its potential as a "development-generator" due to the eternal ineptitude of the Pirates organization. Some might say that's crazy... but think about this.... The Pirates bring out like 18,000 masochistic idiots every game to watch their inferior product... if you gave Pittsburgh hope of competitiveness... even just a .500 team for the first time in generations... you could probably increase the average attendance by at least 50%. If you had a perennial contender... you could possibly run a sell-out streak like the Indians did in Cleveland back in the 90s (especially since PNC Park is so small). Considering how starved Pirates fans are for anything resembling quality baseball... I think fans would turn out in droves. So you put a decent product in PNC Park... and that increases the number of people who visit the North Shore dramatically. This helps support existing and future businesses in that area. Hi-Tops even came out and blamed the Pirates' poor performance for their closure (though they did have an exorbitant lease).

Considering Pennsylvania's taxpayers shelled out hundreds of millions of dollars for PNC Park, I think it's really repulsive that the Nuttings have not reciprocated this generous corporate welfare with an attempt at competitiveness.

To be honest about the North Shore though... despite the missed opportunity with Heinz Field and parking lots... that key area was already severely limited by the web of elevated expressways that crisscross the North Shore and divide it from the rest of the North Side. The area between the riverfront and the east-west expressways is very very tiny. And then you have 279 slicing between the stadiums. I fear that the presence of these superhighways may be a deterrent to high-quality development there... especially the proposed residential elements.
     
     
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I was actually going to post a question if anybody has ever heard about what was happening with North Shore Live. Thanks for the article. I am really hoping for a entertainment center like this. We need something that can host good bands in venues that need to be 5 thousand or so. I read an article when I moved back about how bands like the Decembrants, Modest Mouse, the Shins, and so many more skip Pittsburgh because we don't offer venues for these kind of shows.We can get Def Leopard to Star Lake though!


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/living/music/pop/s_502573.html

There is the article I was talking about. It is kind of old, but atleast I am not mentioning articles with no back up.
Re: Cordish Entertainment Center. Although details were vague, I was not terribly excited by the Steelers' initial plans. I thought it seemed to be too much like a Station Square... which we have across the river... basically a bland corporate chain entertainment complex (Cordish is famous for these in Baltimore, Louisville, etc). It was also supposed to include a Nascar-themed restaurant. However, i was excited about the possibility of a desperately-needed 5,000 seat music venue.. until I read it was going to be 95% FREE programming... meaning Modest Mouse wouldn't be playing there.

Basically the decline of Pittsburgh's ability to attract national touring acts stems from the lack of quality mid-sized venues, lack of LiveNation-owned venues (they prefer to promote at their own places so they can make more money, i.e. Cleveland's House of Blues), lack of a LiveNation office (we've been consolidated into the Cleveland office, which is headed by a guy who is openly hostile to Pittsburgh), etc. Despite the common whining about population decline and old people... there still are a lot of young people here (100,000 or more college students in the metro)... and I'm quite sure there's more young people here than in concert-mecca Austin... which is half our size... so I believe the market exists. Cleveland is lucky to have relatively large cities like Akron and Canton nearby to draw from for its concert market power. Pittsburgh is instead encircled by very small cities like Wheeling and Johnstown.



BTW, the Decemberists were supposed to play Pittsburgh but cancelled their entire tour due to an illness.
     
     
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