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Two Moncton casino proposals already in works
Anonymous American backer proposes Metro-area casino 'anywhere but downtown'; Verdiroc to pursue downtown complex

by Rod Allen
Times & Transcript staff
Published Saturday November 10th, 2007
Appeared on page A1

Less than 24 hours after the New Brunswick government released a gaming policy that says there can be only one destination gaming facility in New Brunswick, at least two proponents are already in the running for a casino in Moncton and they have completely different visions for going forward.

Toronto-based Verdiroc has long proposed a casino centred on the former Beaver Lumber Property in downtown Moncton, an eight-acre property on which it holds an option and which could possibly be wedded with other downtown properties along city's new Boulevard Assomption.

But a second group called 'Chateau Royale,' representing an unidentified American backer said to have huge financial resources, is looking at three or four locations "somewhere in the Greater Moncton area."

Downtown Moncton is not one of those locations, said David Hawkins, vice-president of Color/Coleur (formerly CCL) which represents Chateau Royale.

Hawkins said it is too soon to identify the New England-based investor behind Chateau Royale, but the local group has been working on its proposal with Moncton City Council for the past 18 months.

Moncton Mayor Lorne Mitton would neither confirm nor deny that yesterday, saying his interpretation of the new gaming policy is that it is now strictly 'hands off' as far as municipal government involvement goes with any group proposing to build a casino in the province.

However, Mitton did not close the door on a non-downtown location, either.

"All we have said as a council in the past is that if there is going to be a casino built in New Brunswick, we'd like it to be built here, somewhere within the City of Moncton," said the mayor.

According to Hawkins, the American backer has no interest in a downtown location based on research it has done building casinos all over the United States.

"The gaming policy calls for a destination resort facility which is the concept that we have proposed," said Hawkins, "and it would not be possible for the downtown core to host such a facility. It would take a lot more geography than is available in the downtown."

Past discussions about downtown redevelopment in Moncton -- mostly centred on a convention centre that might include a casino among other options -- has suggested that Beaver Lumber could be developed in conjunction with other downtown land.

But Hawkins said research done all over North America, some of it on behalf of his client, states that "downtown-located gaming facilities attract significantly more social problems and we know that that does not meet the requirements of the new gaming policy.

"A destination resort in the downtown means you can't meet the policy's tourism objective or the policy's (responsible gaming) social objective or, in other words, the policy's 'positive economic impact' objective," said Hawkins.

Completely untrue, said Kevin Green of Verdiroc, who reached the Times & Transcript from Toronto yesterday but who was in Moncton meeting with city officials the day the policy was released.

A casino located in Moncton anywhere but the downtown "would destroy the city," said Green yesterday.

"We propose a convention centre, a parking garage, hotels, restaurants and a casino," said Green; "putting a casino on the edge of town simply ruins all of that."

Green said Verdiroc is "100 per cent committed" to a downtown development project that includes all those elements but could not release any more details for the time being as Verdiroc's officers "are still digesting the contents of the policy."

Hawkins would not identify Chateau Royale's preferred sites other than to say there are three or four locations "within the Greater Moncton area."

"There would be significant hotel associates with this, restaurants, shops, swimming pools, a spa and a variety of other amenities all of which require a great many acres," a lot more than are available downtown."

Hawkins said Chateau Royale "has spoken to the municipal government in Moncton "on many occasions and we have their full support and co-operation to advance our plans."

However, "I don't think we have their full support exclusively," he added. "There may be other proponents they want to talk to, that's their choice."

Indeed many more players might emerge between now and the March 11, 2008 deadline for proposals to the New Brunswick Lotteries Commission, which is supposed to identify the successful proponent and the location of a 'destination gaming facility' somewhere in the province by the end of May.

Indeed the new policy requires dealings strictly between proponents and the province and municipalities are among the groups that are not allowed to submit proposals, but negotiations between proponents and whatever municipalities are located in the area they want to build will presumably be vital to a successful pitch.

Other proponents, in fact, are already rumoured to be in the running. One is reportedly looking at Fox Creek golf course in Dieppe and another beside Seaside Chev-Olds in Shediac, right beside ramp off Highway 15 (Veteran's) to Highway 11 connecting to Miramichi and the North Shore.

There are even downtown Moncton locations other than along Assomption that might be suitable.

Prominent local developer Richard Carpenter, who says he is not interested in being a proponent, nonetheless doesn't mind doing some idle speculation.

"Rather than trying to squeeze it into the (traditional) downtown, I'd look at putting it in Highfield Square," said Carpenter of the aging west downtown mall controlled by the Sobeys corporation.

"It's basically hollowed out with Sobeys moving out of there (the company is building a new supermarket next door along recently completed Vaughan Harvey Extension), there's plenty of room for a big hotel and it's right beside the Via station.

"How about a train of 'casino cars' coming down from Montreal, then pulling into the Moncton casino for a couple of nights on the weekend?"

Many such questions might be asked here between now and March 11.
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Feds won't fund river fix

N.B. premier told restoration 'ineligible' under $33-Billion infrastructure program

By Kate Wright
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Saturday November 10th, 2007
Appeared on page A1

OTTAWA - The removal of the Petitcodiac River causeway has been given formal approval by the federal government, but that news is tempered by Ottawa's decision that restoring the river does not qualify under the federal government's cash-packed Building Canada infrastructure fund.

In a letter to Premier Shawn Graham made public yesterday, Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon quashed hopes of the Petitcodiac River restoration project receiving federal funds by saying the project is "ineligible" and doesn't meet the requirements of the multi-billion dollar program.

The letter gives no reason why the request is being denied.

"As such, funding for the project rightly rests with your government," Cannon's letter states.

That news was met with anger and disappointment yesterday by Supply and Services Minister Roly MacIntyre.

He said the restoration is one of his government's highest priorities and he believes the federal government has a role to play in the cleanup.

"We're not going to just walk away and say, 'Well, thanks for your letter,'" he said. "We will continue to pursue this at every opportunity."

Cannon's message means the provincial government may have to foot the entire $68-million bill to build the span if the project is to proceed.

The $68-million does not include the likelihood of additional costs for other work along river that would be needed in preparation for the river to flow.

MacIntyre said his government did not apply specifically under the Building Canada fund and was hoping to be considered under any program that could have funded the deal.

The fact that the bridge is ineligible under the Building Canada fund is confusing, as earlier this week, British Columbia received $2.2-billion under the same fund to invest in infrastructure projects like bridges.

Calls made to Cannon's office were not returned.

MacIntyre said he had been encouraged a deal would have been reached after political powerhouses such as Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn personally visited the river and commented that a fix was needed.

The federal government posted a swelling surplus of $14-billion this year -- one of the largest in Canadian history.

MacIntyre said the province has already committed to moving forward with the project even though it will likely mean shifting money around to afford it.

"We're only talking about $34-million contribution from a $33-billion fund -- it doesn't make a lot of sense," he said. "Any time that you have to fund something totally, it's a budget consideration."

Earlier this year, the province made their preferred option for restoration public, which will include removing the causeway and building a 280-metre bridge.

That option will achieve 82 per cent restoration of the river within 10 to 20 years. It will also increase the channel's width and depth, bringing it as close as possible to the pre-causeway environment.

The river's channel, originally 1.6 kilometres (1 mile) wide, has since shrunk to 80 metres (263 feet).

The federal government contributed to a multi-year, multi-million dollar Environmental Impact Assessment that in 2005, which found that the status quo couldn't remain and the river needed to be restored.

The federal government's response to the province's restoration plan is puzzling, said MacIntyre.

"When you look at it, the federal government has been at the table all along," said MacIntyre. "They were there for the EIA, they were there way back when the project was constructed."

Interview requests for regional minister Greg Thompson were denied yesterday.

Petitcodiac Riverkeeper Michel Desjardins said the federal government has removed any legal hurdles the province may have run into during the restoration by approving the causeway's removal under the Fisheries and Navigable Waters Protection Acts.

However, he said it is mind-boggling that after decades of pressuring the provincial government to decide on an option to restore rushing waters to the river, they would so quickly turn their backs on it.

The federal government originally approved the construction of the causeway, which blocks fish passage to about half of the river system, causing significant damage to the ecosystem, including the loss of several fish species.

The river has been named as one of the most endangered rivers in the world by a number of organizations including National Geographic and Earthwild International.

"The federal government has, at the very least, a moral obligation to contribute to funding," said Desjardins. "But we can't force them legally and at the end of the day, if they don't want to participate financially, it's the province's problem."

Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe MP Brian Murphy said he is angered by the government's decision to ignore one of the province's largest restoration projects in its history.

"It shows complete lack of regard by the federal government for a major environmental situation and shows discrimination between the situation of the Petitcodiac in Moncton and some lakes in Ontario and other projects they deem worthy," he said.

MacIntyre said he considers Cannon's letter to be a "pause" in the project -- not an end.

He said the province isn't going to give up and it will continue to be one of his government's biggest priorities in the upcoming legislative session.

"I can tell the people who live in the immediate area of the river that we are moving forward, period," he said.
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Deli Italien opens in Dieppe
Paul Street shop brings authentic Italian tastes to Metro Moncton

By Brent Mazerolle
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Friday November 9th, 2007
Appeared on page C2

Though his new Italian deli on Paul Street has only been open a few weeks, Fabio Scichilone has been in the food business for 17 years. Not bad for a guy who's only 34 years old.

First off, Fabio's been serving some of the food featured at the deli for the past year at the Dieppe Farmers Market. But his history with food goes back much further than that. "I've been working with my dad since I was 17," he said yesterday between customers at his already bustling new business.

And that has been a good pedigree indeed, as Fabio's father Tony Scichilone is something of a culinary legend in New Brunswick. Since he came to Canada in 1968, Tony has brought the taste of Italy to Tracadie, first in the dining room of his Riviera Motel and then at his restaurant Campagnola.

Now the Scichilones have followed the North Shore migration to Metro Moncton and it's time for the son to make his mark -- with a bit of starting out help from his dad.

It's a good start. The Deli Italien is quite likely the most authentic one you'll find in the Maritimes, even when you count a couple pretty good spots in Halifax.

Fabio's food service offers everything made in house. There are fresh pastas, vegetarian and meat lasagnas, pizza by the slice, stuffed peppers, paninis and meatballs big enough to play tennis with. He makes his own pesto and tiramisu, eggplant parmesan and veal cutlets.

"I go to the gym a lot and eat very healthy myself," Fabio said, "so I want to give my customers fresh, healthy foods without preservatives." A specialty is the aronchini, balls of saffron rice filled with meat and tomatoes, then rolled in Italian bread crumbs and fried in olive oil.

"That's right from Sicily," Fabio said. "My Aunt Maria came over three weeks ago and taught me how to make it and left me all her recipes."

Fabio also grinds 13 types of Italian sausage, the signature product of the business, including one made from New Brunswick buffalo meat and two made of salmon. The pesto salmon has been a particular hit at the farmers market and since many of his customers there have followed him to Paul Street, it's been selling well at the new shop as well.

"At the market people were always asking me where they could buy during the week, so now I've given them a place," Fabio said.

While the counter service offers more than enough to draw hungry people, the deli selection and dried goods are sure to be attractions too. There's an olive bar and dozens of different Italian products. Whether you want a 2.5 kg can of roasted yellow peppers or fine Italian espresso or white tuna packed in olive oil, Schichilone's can accommodate you.

In the cooler are dozens of imported cheeses and meats, many of which can't be otherwise found in the area. The prosciutto comes from San Daniele and the fiore di latte cheese has a freshness and texture that just might make you weep with joy.

Schichilone's has about a dozen bistro tables for those who want to eat in and Fabio is pursuing a liquor license so he can serve wine and beer. For now, there is coffee and soda, including a couple Italian brands, or San Pellegrino to wash it all down.

Hours for the time being are Tuesday to Saturday 11-7, with plans to extend them as Fabio hires and trains his new staff. There are also plans to hold cooking classes down the road as the business grows. The deli is located in the plaza next to the Paul Street Sobey's store between M&M Meat Shop and Danza Activewear.

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Some good and bad news today...


Good news: two proposals for a casino in moncton

Bad news: the only developer who wants to build downtown so far is P.O.S. Veridoc

They better get thier act together real soon because I want this to be an urban casino not some cruddy highway rest stop casino. Hopefully more proposals will come in.
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They better get thier act together real soon because I want this to be an urban casino not some cruddy highway rest stop casino. Hopefully more proposals will come in.
Agree with you, I don`t want to see a Casino with "power center" style on the edge of town

When Verdiroc pointed out :
"A casino located in Moncton anywhere but the downtown "would destroy the city," said Green yesterday.We propose a convention centre, a parking garage, hotels, restaurants and a casino," said Green; "putting a casino on the edge of town simply ruins all of that."

I 100 % agree with this statement...
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Agree with you, I don`t want to see a Casino with "power center" style on the edge of town

When Verdiroc pointed out :
"A casino located in Moncton anywhere but the downtown "would destroy the city," said Green yesterday.We propose a convention centre, a parking garage, hotels, restaurants and a casino," said Green; "putting a casino on the edge of town simply ruins all of that."

I 100 % agree with this statement...
Me too...its the first time in a long time I can say I agree with Veridoc...maybe they are comin' around
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Casino to limit VLTs in Metro

Lottery officials say restaurants, bars will have at least a year of status quo before new rules take effect

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Published Monday November 12th, 2007
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Setting up a destination casino in Moncton could further reduce the number of video lottery terminal licences available for the surrounding region, according to the provincial government's policy report on responsible gambling released last week.

Under the guidelines set out in the report, the province would issue a request for proposals to set up one destination casino. The request for proposals would limit the distribution of video lottery terminals in the casino's market area.

"A maximum of 20 per cent of the VLTs in the video lottery program will be permitted within the casino market area," the report states. It is anticipated that the range will be between 80 and 100 kilometres of the community in which the casino complex is located."

If Moncton is chosen, that 80 to 100 kilometre circle would take in a large portion of southern New Brunswick. If Moncton is chosen for the casino, that could mean a widespread redistribution of VLT licences.

But restaurants, bars and other establishments who operate video lottery terminals will have at least a year of the status quo before a new provincial government policy kicks in, says a spokesman for the Atlantic Lottery Corporation.

Mike Randall, Atlantic Lottery's vice-president of social responsibility and communications, says letters have been sent to all VLT licensees telling them to prepare for the change.

"It's status quo for now. We're going to work with the licensees on site standards and what they need to be approved. They will receive lots of notice as to what will happen to them and we will work with them to see what level of revenue they may lose and how they can augment it."

Randall said VLTs represent a significant portion of revenue for some clubs, bars and restaurants, in some cases $35,000 to $40,000 or more per year.

While the destination casino could block out much of the VLTs in a 80 to 100-kilometre radius around it, Randall said there are still provisions for multi-licence sites which could be allowed to have up to 75 machines, but those types of operations would be limited.

Randall said the province's new gaming policy should create a new gaming experience for customers.

"It's very transformational and a good business decision. The licensees will have to meet new site standards which will create a new customer experience. It will be a very different experience than what we're used to."

He said restaurants, bars and other facilities that have VLTs may have to invest in renovations or improvements to their properties to meet the new site standards, but said that won't be necessary until the new standards are set.

Across the province, the number of VLTs will be cut by about 25 per cent, from around 2,650 to a maximum of 2,000. The number of sites to be licensed will be copped from 625 to 300. The reductions, which are to be reached by April of 2010, will be partially achieved by implementing one of the other tenets of the policy, which permits VLTs only in age-controlled environments. That means that approximately 90 restaurants across the province that now have VLTs will have to get rid of them. Restaurants are currently allowed a maximum of two terminals.

The first will have to go by Oct. 1, 2008, the second by April 1, 2009. The rest of the reductions will come as the new business standards are put into place. Royal Canadian Legions that already have VLTs will be allowed to continue to operate them.

The new policy which promises to cut down the number of VLTs in the province was applauded by the Moncton company which designs and manufactures them.

Robin Drummond, a spokesman for Spielo Gaming, said the company expects no negative fallout from the announcement. While Spielo is located in Moncton, the majority of the products it manufactures go to clients in the United States and other parts of the world. Founded in 1990, Spielo is now a wholly owned subsidiary of GTECH Corporation. It employs about 400 people in Moncton, including technicians and engineers who design and manufacture the video lottery terminals for export.


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Its really funny, when you think about it. These companies with casino proposals are completely contradicting each other. I can't wait for the name calling to start...

I am inclined to side with Verdiroc (shudder) on this whole thing. Moncton is already suburban enough without a giant resort at its fringes. God only knows the malls they'd build around it...oh, the humanity!
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If Dieppe continues to grow at the same rate (~25%/five years), it'll likely be about half the size of Moncton-proper by the next census. Some of the development plans on the Dieppe city website are pretty cool. Especially around Dieppe Blvd.
Well, first of all, that would mean that Moncton would have to stop growing too which is not going to happen. The current municipal government in Dieppe is going to Bankrupt the 'city' in their need to 'compete' with Moncton....what do I mean by that? We've got a newer city hall, they need a new city hall, we've got a city market, they need a city market, we've got an aquatic center, they need an aqautic center...it's ridiculous. I personally know several people that want to 'leave' Dieppe because their property taxes (same rate as Moncton but properties are assessed differently) are ridiculously high...problem is they can't sell their house because of the same fact. Dieppe is growing yes...which I don't have a problem with...they are just doing it by putting their populace in the poor house.


As far as the casino...I hope it's downtown...but, if it's somewhere outside the city...how about up off gorge road in between the golf course and the concert site? Then you have a golf course, water park, zoo, tourist trap, concert site and hotels all in one spot....how about something like this:

http://www.foxwoods.com/

That would be a nice feature on the edge of town...

As to the whole Moncton/SJ thing...well, it would be smart if these two cities worked together as they both have their positives...now will they?...Not likely.
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The current municipal government in Dieppe is going to Bankrupt the 'city' in their need to 'compete' with Moncton....what do I mean by that? We've got a newer city hall, they need a new city hall, we've got a city market, they need a city market, we've got an aquatic center, they need an aqautic center...it's ridiculous.
This part reminded me of Quispamsis versus Rothesay. Rothesay had the Common [Park] with winter skating rink and temporary performance stage, so Quispam built its Arts & Culture Park with a permanent performance stage and a temperature controlled ice surface, so now Rothesay is planning a permanent stage area for the Common, etc.. Same with the whole arena/sports complex thing: Rothesay wanted to built a sports complex, so Quispam wanted to build a sports complex, then Rothesay offered to build a shared complex, but Quispam rejected that idea to build its own bigger complex, and now Rothesay wants to do the same. Not to mention their endless competition over water infrastructure and arguments over the name of the Rothesay Regional Police and Fire Department of the same name.

You're right, this sort of thing is ridiculous. Why town and city councils see the need to endlessly waste taxpayers money to compete with neighbouring towns when they could easily share resources for the betterment of everyone, I'll never understand.

Dieppe seems to have some ambitious plans for itself, and every time I see them announce some new project, I wonder how they plan to pay for all of it. I wish them the best though, they certainly don't show any signs of slowing down.
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What's driving traffic jams?
Metro commuters feel like they're stuck, but statistics show there hasn't been much increase in actual traffic numbers in several years



BY ALAN COCHRANE
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Published Tuesday November 13th, 2007
Appeared on page A1

With all this new construction and new jobs coming to Metro Moncton, is it any wonder there's also more traffic and longer waits at the Tim Horton drive-thru window during the morning rush hours?

Given that Metro Moncton is geographically quite small, commuters and motorists have long had the luxury of leaving home about 10 minutes before they needed to be somewhere. And the definition of a traffic jam is a time when you have to wait through more than one red light at an intersection.

Over the last couple of years, Metro Moncton drivers have been grumbling about longer waits at traffic lights and the perception that it takes longer to get from home to work or the mall or the rink for their kid's hockey practice.

But is it just perception?

Stephane Thibodeau, a spokesman for the City of Moncton's Engineering Department, thinks so.

"It all comes down to driving habits," says Thibodeau. "The traffic is busier at peak times where people are all trying to get to their destination at the same time. But if you look at the numbers, you see that traffic hasn't really increased that much."

For example, traffic counts done by the city on Mountain Road at Evergreen Drive in 2000 showed a 24-hour average of 18,200 vehicles. At the same spot in 2007, the count was 18,600. Thibodeau says an average of 400 more cars over a 24-hour period is barely significant considering the amount of commercial and residential development that has taken place in that area of the city over seven years.

Traffic numbers can rise and fall with the tide and balance themselves out. In the summer, there may be more cars coming into the city during the tourist season. But there are also more locals on vacation and out of town. That means more traffic during the day but not as much during the 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. rush hours.

"It seems to be busier now, but we're also into the Christmas shopping season, so we adjust the lights to allow more green time at intersections about two months before Christmas."

During the pre-holiday season, there tends to be an influx of traffic as more consumers come into town from outlying areas to shop at Moncton's many retail centres, which usually increases traffic on the weekends. People who try to avoid the weekend rushes venture out on weekdays and evenings, creating more of a steady flow to and from the malls.

"Yes it's busy but they are all going to one location, so it gets congested."

In the mainly residential community of Riverview, it seems traffic has also seen major increases over the last couple of years. Riverview residents who work across the river in Moncton are often faced with long lineups to the new Gunningsville Bridge. But those lineups last for only a short period between 8 and 8:30 a.m. and seem to flow quickly thanks to long green lights at the bridge.

The pattern reverses itself during the 5 p.m. rush, as traffic collects along the new Assumption Boulevard to the Gunningsville Bridge. This traffic flow is now augmented by cars coming through the new Vaughan Harvey Extension, which opened this summer. Traffic numbers in the area aren't yet available, but seem to be significant as commuters find their new routes.

Figures from the Department of Transportation show traffic on the new Gunningsville bridge to be 18,500 vehicles per day. In 2004, the number was 14,800 on the old bridge.

Traffic on the causeway was measured at 29,680 in 2003 and 29,210 in 2006.

Thibodeau said traffic on Moncton's Main Street has been measured at about 30,000 to 35,000 vehicles per day.

Brenda Orchard, economic development officer for the Town of Riverview, agrees traffic has seen an increase. On some recent days, the length of Coverdale Road from the bridge to the causeway seems to be covered with cars during the 5 p.m. rush hour.

"It seems to be a lot busier since the bridge was connected to Vaughan Harvey."

Orchard said it appears some commuters who work in downtown Moncton and live in the west end are crossing the bridge to Riverview, travelling up Coverdale Road, then using the Causeway to get onto West Main Street, thus avoiding a rush in one area and creating a jam in another.

But Coverdale Road also leads up to the Riverview Mall, where more than 2,000 people are now employed at call centres. Orchard also noted that there are several new apartment buildings in the area, along with more residential growth and new subdivisions. She believes people are also commuting to the Salisbury area via Coverdale Road.

In any event, Coverdale Road is actually busier than parts of Mountain Road. While the Mountain Road numbers were around 18,000 for a 24-hour period, traffic on Coverdale Road near Buckingham Avenue (in front of the Shopper's Drug Mart) was 25,368 in September, 2004.

A survey taken in front of the old fire station at the same time showed 21,498. And a traffic count taken in front of the Riverview Superstore earlier this year, before Vaughan Harvey was connected to the bridge, was 21,350.

Milt Cawley, deputy fire chief in Riverview, said his staff have noticed the increase and often use side streets to avoid traffic while responding to emergency calls. A traffic jam in both directions on a two-lane road is a difficult thing to squeeze through, even with lights and siren blazing. He, along with other Riverview residents, can't wait until the new Gunningsville Boulevard opens next month, creating a new flow of traffic in a loop from the bridge through Findlay Boulevard to the causeway.

Thibodeau said the opening of these new arteries -- Assumption Boulevard, Vaughan Harvey Extension and Gunningsville Boulevard -- are the final steps in a transportation plan that was laid out back in 1972.

"It will take time before people change their habits, so we probably won't see the full effect of this until next summer," Thibodeau said. "These streets have had a significant impact on our traffic flow, but anybody who lives in the Moncton area and works downtown knows that no matter what direction you are going it still only takes 10 or 15 minutes in true travel time to get from one end to the other. It may seem like a long time when you're stuck, but it's really not that much. We're really lucky in this community to be able to get around so quickly."

With the new roads in place, Thibodeau said planners are now looking at the future of transportation and commuting in Metro Moncton with a review of the master plan likely coming in 2009.

"When they did the master plan in 1972, it was all about cars and traffic. The next time, it will be more about public transit and car pooling and other ways of getting around."
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We've got a newer city hall, they need a new city hall, we've got a city market, they need a city market, we've got an aquatic center, they need an aqautic center...it's ridiculous.
Well, you`re right on that. Though, I really think Moncton is as much as ridiculous when they give authorization to built plenty suburban projects such as Mapleton Village or no vision things like that. Those lands could provide more money for the city and in some extent to the taxpayers than it done right now. Moreover, the fact the city did not built something more than 6 stories since last 20 years is quite annoying as well. In fact, at the end of the day, Dieppe think too big and Moncton think too small.

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Well, you`re right on that. Though, I really think Moncton is as much as ridiculous when they give authorization to built plenty suburban projects such as Mapleton Village or no vision things like that. Those lands could provide more money for the city and in some extent to the taxpayers than it done right now. Moreover, the fact the city did not built something more than 6 stories since last 20 years is quite annoying as well. In fact, at the end of the day, Dieppe think too big and Moncton think too small.
But the one thing that Moncton does right when it gives those "authorizations"...that's where it ends...they don't "pay" for the project themselves. Dieppe is trying to do it all on the back of the taxpayer...if they aren't careful they won't have any tax payers.

"Dieppe think too big and Moncton think too small." Great point...but I'd also add..."and Riverview is happy to stay the way they are".
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Dieppe is trying to do it all on the back of the taxpayer...if they aren't careful they won't have any tax payers.

"Dieppe think too big and Moncton think too small." Great point...but I'd also add..."and Riverview is happy to stay the way they are".
I`m fully with you on that, and no question, I`m fully disagree the way they are built up the aquatic center. At least, the city hall and the office space building along Champlain provide incomes for the city.

"Riverview is happy to stay the way they are" ....great !
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Found some old pictures I took in Moncton back around 1998 or 99 laying around the house...hope you enjoy. Even back then, I never had good luck with the weather when taking pics...














And anyone else remember when the TCH was tolled for what seemed like 5 minutes?

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Nice pics.

You can hardly recognize the place...(cough).

In a way, I wish they hadn't taken the toll off that road. I drive it about once a week, and a couple dollars a run is nothing compared to the millions it cost the province to remove them and take out the infrastructure...
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They built a toll booth west of Fredericton with all the frills, only they never used it and they tore it down a couple of months later. Part of me wishes they turned it into a Tim Hortons or something. If they can have them on the 401, why not here?

At least the one in Salisbury actually collected tolls for a little while. And yes, I would have rather paid the toll than take tax money from something else to pay MRDC...
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They built a toll booth west of Fredericton with all the frills, only they never used it and they tore it down a couple of months later. Part of me wishes they turned it into a Tim Hortons or something. If they can have them on the 401, why not here?

At least the one in Salisbury actually collected tolls for a little while. And yes, I would have rather paid the toll than take tax money from something else to pay MRDC...
That'd be so convenient... I always manage to get myself lost in Oromocto trying to get to that Tims.
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Heh...just what we need...'more' freakin' Tim's...
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Paul Street to finally get its fix in 2008?
Dieppe mayor says redoing thoroughfare is a priority

By Aloma Jardine
Times & Transcript Staff
Published Wednesday November 14th, 2007
Appeared on page A11

Users of Paul Street (and that's just about everyone not only in Metro Moncton, but New Brunswick, P.E.I., and Nova Scotia, who regularly make the pilgrimage to shop in Metro) keep your fingers crossed - 2008 may just be the year that poor old Paul gets the overhaul it's needed for eons.

"There is certainly going to be something in the budget," says Dieppe mayor Achille Maillet. "We have revised our priorities to prioritize Paul Street. It is very important for the city of Dieppe where you have the major entrance to the city of Dieppe on a street that is in such a state."

Council hired the engineering firm ADI Ltd. to do a study on how best to redesign the street back in April. Maillet says they expect that study to be completed in the not-too-distant future and provide a template for the work that needs to be done.

It will likely include realigning the street in addition to repaving, something Maillet says is important for businesses along Paul.

"We have over 11 million visitors at Champlain Place alone every year. By next year it will be an average of one million a month and we need to have good infrastructure, we have to have a good street," he says.

Maillet says revamping Paul Street will be a huge project, likely in the order of $10 million to $12 million, and he expects it will be done in phases.

He says it is possible that work could start as soon as next year, but says that will depend on how much cash the city can commit for 2008.

"We are going to go into the budget process (soon) and certainly Paul Street is on our minds and we will determine to what extent and how many dollars we are going to put (into it)," he says.

Maillet says the city is also exploring the possibility of funding from other levels of government, but Paul Street is not a provincially designated roadway, so does not qualify for cash on that count.
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Thats good news...that street is like a war zone its so bumpy haha
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Thats good news...that street is like a war zone its so bumpy haha
Oh que oui !. Its the one of the most or the most busiest shopping district in NB, it deserves more than that...

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