The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

like the city's desire not to build a building higher than 6 stories...

If its the case, this is quite disappointing. I really deeply disagree with the Planning District Commission.

We talk about mid-lowrise...

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by PersonPlaceorThing

Biggest CMA.

I just want to say this, once. I really wish people would stop bickering over who's bigger than who. And, for the record, city vs CMA is a poor argument at best.

If you look at the city sizes of Vancouver and Winnipeg, Winnipeg is around sixty thousand people larger. (578,041 vs 633,451). However, when you look at CMAs (in all honesty, the number that actually counts), Vancouver is three times larger than Winnipeg. Vancouver is indesputibly the third largest city in Canada, because it's CMA is ranked third. By definition, Moncton is the largest city in NB because it has the largest CMA, albeit not by a lot.

I'll also add, before amalgamation, Toronto only had about a half million people. now its well over Five million. Toronto has been considered Canada's largest city for decades though.

I really don't care who's bigger, Moncton or Saint John. It just bugs the hell out of me when that CMA argument is brought up.


End of rant.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

I just want to say this, once. I really wish people would stop bickering over who's bigger than who. And, for the record, city vs CMA is a poor argument at best.

If you look at the city sizes of Vancouver and Winnipeg, Winnipeg is around sixty thousand people larger. (578,041 vs 633,451). However, when you look at CMAs (in all honesty, the number that actually counts), Vancouver is three times larger than Winnipeg. Vancouver is indesputibly the third largest city in Canada, because it's CMA is ranked third. By definition, Moncton is the largest city in NB because it has the largest CMA, albeit not by a lot.

I'll also add, before amalgamation, Toronto only had about a half million people. now its well over Five million. Toronto has been considered Canada's largest city for decades though.

I really don't care who's bigger, Moncton or Saint John. It just bugs the hell out of me when that CMA argument is brought up.


End of rant.

Agree...and on top of all that Moncton "CMA" is much more of a "city" than in SJ "CMA", our aux. cities (dieppe, riverview) are in very close proximity to moncton. For example if you removed the "welcome to Dieppe" sign from the entrance to the city a visitor would never know it was another city. Whereas in SJ you need to drive 10 minutes on the highway to reach the closest aux. town. Thats why I think people from SJ have a difficulty with the CMA/city thing.

Another issue I take with that arguement is that there are over 6,000 people living directly outside the city limits of Moncton/Dieppe this area is known as "Moncton Parish". The size difference between Moncton and SJ is why i mention this fact. If Moncton "city" took up the same area as SJ "city" Moncton would most definitely be the more populous as it would encompass this extra 6,000.

The census figure I most relate with is the "Urban Area" population which encompasses an area of continuous settlement where Moncton really shows its true size as a "city". In this measurement Moncton has 97,000 people compared to SJs 90,000.

End of rant

[Alberta Bound]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

End of rant

We need a new brunswick subforum so these Moncton vs SJ pissing match posts can be filed somewhere besides development threads.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Agree...and on top of all that Moncton "CMA" is much more of a "city" than in SJ "CMA", our aux. cities (dieppe, riverview) are in very close proximity to moncton. For example if you removed the "welcome to Dieppe" sign from the entrance to the city a visitor would never know it was another city. Whereas in SJ you need to drive 10 minutes on the highway to reach the closest aux. town. Thats why I think people from SJ have a difficulty with the CMA/city thing.

Another issue I take with that arguement is that there are over 6,000 people living directly outside the city limits of Moncton/Dieppe this area is known as "Moncton Parish". The size difference between Moncton and SJ is why i mention this fact. If Moncton "city" took up the same area as SJ "city" Moncton would most definitely be the more populous as it would encompass this extra 6,000.

The census figure I most relate with is the "Urban Area" population which encompasses an area of continuous settlement where Moncton really shows its true size as a "city". In this measurement Moncton has 97,000 people compared to SJs 90,000.

End of rant

Im not going to sit here and argue with you guys about something so stupid.
We fellow Saint Johner's just dont like moncton. I mean if we did. we'd live there. but we dont. We clearly prefer it here.
You guys probably dont like our city either, and thats fine.
The feeling is mutual. Even though it is clear that as i mentioned before, Saint John is now IN, and Moncton is now out. The next census will clearly show that, so im really not too concered what anybody from Moncton has to say on the issue. Its quickly becoming common knowledge that Saint John is quickly becomming the new power house in the maritimes in more ways than one. Its understable that people of your caliber wouldnt grasp the fact of simple logic, however that is understanable. I mean we are talking about Moncton and all. Anyways, im off to have a few beers, cuz thats how we roll here in SJ

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Im not going to sit here and argue with you guys about something so stupid.
We fellow Saint Johner's just dont like moncton. I mean if we did. we'd live there. but we dont. We clearly prefer it here.
You guys probably dont like our city either, and thats fine.
The feeling is mutual. Even though it is clear that as i mentioned before, Saint John is now IN, and Moncton is now out. The next census will clearly show that, so im really not too concered what anybody from Moncton has to say on the issue. Its quickly becoming common knowledge that Saint John is quickly becomming the new power house in the maritimes in more ways than one. Its understable that people of your caliber wouldnt grasp the fact of simple logic, however that is understanable. I mean we are talking about Moncton and all. Anyways, im off to have a few beers, cuz thats how we roll here in SJ

I find your attitude really disappointing. A question like 'which city is better?!' is about as subjective as they come. So really, why bother asking it. For the record, I don't dislike Saint John, and I've lived in Moncton my whole life. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as everyone else, but you really aren't adding to the discussion by shooting down an entire city and its people. There are great things about any city, and every city...yes, even Saint John, has its downsides. I could talk your ear off about the things I don't like about Moncton. But an argument like that is both unproductive and completely pointless.

On the matter of whether or not a city is 'in'...

First, you really have no justification for saying that. Saint John is coming around, and Moncton is doing very well too. There have been hundreds of millions of projects announced in the past few months in Dieppe alone.

Second, its attitudes like that that are keeping this region in the backwaters. A new refinery in Saint John is great for that city. I'm sure it'll create tons of jobs, which is in turn great for the rest of the province, including Moncton. Economic development isn't a zero-sum game. We gave up mercantilism ages ago. A new factory in Moncton is also good for Saint John.

We're stuck in this little boat together, like it or not. Why should we constantly hold each other back, when we can work together to reach our destination faster.

[ErickMontreal]

Very well said MylesMalley.

Saint John, the powerhouse of the Maritime ? You should be a bit serious. Anyway, i`m curious, just give to me your arguments. Its quite surreal to me.

All that stuff remind me Québec vs Montréal rivalty.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

I find your attitude really disappointing. A question like 'which city is better?!' is about as subjective as they come. So really, why bother asking it. For the record, I don't dislike Saint John, and I've lived in Moncton my whole life. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as everyone else, but you really aren't adding to the discussion by shooting down an entire city and its people. There are great things about any city, and every city...yes, even Saint John, has its downsides. I could talk your ear off about the things I don't like about Moncton. But an argument like that is both unproductive and completely pointless.

On the matter of whether or not a city is 'in'...

First, you really have no justification for saying that. Saint John is coming around, and Moncton is doing very well too. There have been hundreds of millions of projects announced in the past few months in Dieppe alone.

Second, its attitudes like that that are keeping this region in the backwaters. A new refinery in Saint John is great for that city. I'm sure it'll create tons of jobs, which is in turn great for the rest of the province, including Moncton. Economic development isn't a zero-sum game. We gave up mercantilism ages ago. A new factory in Moncton is also good for Saint John.

We're stuck in this little boat together, like it or not. Why should we constantly hold each other back, when we can work together to reach our destination faster.

SJ.

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

SJ.

Thanks Mike. you're a real team player

[ErickMontreal]

I was in Dieppe tonigh, I made few purchases to the new Dieppe Co-op. Its beautifull grocerie store, there is a gas station in extra. I think the new projects around will kick off soon . Moreover, a little further on that boulevard, I have saw a nice 5-story apartments building project being under construction. Dieppe is really booming.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by HalifaxMtl666

I was in Dieppe tonigh, I made few purchases to the new Dieppe Co-op. Its beautifull grocerie store, there is a gas station in extra. I think the new project around will kick off soon . Moreover, a little further on that boulevard, I have saw a nice 5-story apartments building project being under construction.

Thats great! Every time I take a trip over to dieppe it seems like its twice as big as before. I cant wait for work to begin on that "uptown" project over there, should be really nice.

[jenike]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Its quickly becoming common knowledge that Saint John is quickly becomming the new power house in the maritimes in more ways than one.

Anyways, im off to have a few beers, cuz thats how we roll here in SJ

These are two of the funniest things I've ever read on this board. Nice ending statement like that is sure to build your credibility.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Thats great! Every time I take a trip over to dieppe it seems like its twice as big as before. I cant wait for work to begin on that "uptown" project over there, should be really nice.

Obviously, Dieppe is really booming right now with project such as Bmw, Mazda, Uptown, Aquatic center, office/industrial space building and few other housing projects as well.

[kwajo]

I can't speak for Michael, but I know for me, I only take jabs at Moncton for fun, and it isn't any more than that. For example, if any New Brunswicker is around, for sure I'll make fun of Moncton, beause it's entertaining to argue the supremacy of either city. But if I'm talking to anyone from outside the province, I'll defend any part of New Brunswick as if it were my home - because it is.

Moncton = nice place to live
&
Saint John = nice place to live

And you know why? Because both are in New Brunswick, that's why.

If there is one thing I have learned since coming here to Newfoundland, it's that people here know how to be proud of their province and their region. I'd like to see the same in New Brunswick. Instead of being a proud Saint Johner, or a proud Monctonian, why not be a proud New Brunswicker? We need to develop a sense of provincial pride, not this mutually-exclusive municipal pride.

Will I ever stop making jokes about Moncton? Probably not. But will I sing the praises of my home province and of the Bay of Fundy, to anyone who'll lend an ear? You bet I will, and I encourage everyone else here to do the same.

[mylesmalley]

If Dieppe continues to grow at the same rate (~25%/five years), it'll likely be about half the size of Moncton-proper by the next census. Some of the development plans on the Dieppe city website are pretty cool. Especially around Dieppe Blvd.

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by kwajo

I can't speak for Michael, but I know for me, I only take jabs at Moncton for fun, and it isn't any more than that. For example, if any New Brunswicker is around, for sure I'll make fun of Moncton, beause it's entertaining to argue the supremacy of the either city. But if I'm talking to anyone from outside the province, I'll defend any part of New Brunswick as if it were my home - because it is.

Moncton = nice place to live
&
Saint John = nice place to live

And you know why? Because both are in New Brunswick, that's why.

If there is one thing I have learned since coming here to Newfoundland, it's that people here know how to be proud of their province and their region. I'd like to see the same in New Brunswick. Instead of being a proud Saint Johner, or a proud Monctonian, why not be a proud New Brunswicker? We need to develop a sense of provincial pride, not this mutually-exclusive municipal pride.

Will I ever stop making jokes about Moncton? Probably not. But will I sing the praises of my home province and of the Bay of Fundy, to anyone who'll lend an ear? You bet I will, and I encourage everyone else here to do the same.

Well said.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by kwajo

Moncton = nice place to live
&
Saint John = nice place to live

And you know why? Because both are in New Brunswick, that's why.

If there is one thing I have learned since coming here to Newfoundland, it's that people here know how to be proud of their province and their region. I'd like to see the same in New Brunswick. Instead of being a proud Saint Johner, or a proud Monctonian, why not be a proud New Brunswicker? We need to develop a sense of provincial pride, not this mutually-exclusive municipal pride.

Will I ever stop making jokes about Moncton? Probably not. But will I sing the praises of my home province and of the Bay of Fundy, to anyone who'll lend an ear? You bet I will, and I encourage everyone else here to do the same.

I mean, this is a nice place to stay and I must to say the people are really warm and quite friendly even though they know I`m from Quebec. .In some extent, I feel like home here.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

If Dieppe continues to grow at the same rate (~25%/five years), it'll likely be about half the size of Moncton-proper by the next census. Some of the development plans on the Dieppe city website are pretty cool. Especially around Dieppe Blvd.

Thanks you, indeed, there are some great projects.

[mylesmalley]

Federal government won't fund causeway restoration
Last Updated: Friday, November 9, 2007 | 4:28 PM AT
CBC News
Ottawa has sent a terse letter to the New Brunswick government saying there's no money to restore the Petitcodiac causeway.

The province wanted help from the federal government to replace part of the causeway with a bridge to allow fish to travel up the river.

In the letter, federal Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon said the project does not qualify for federal funding and it is up to the province to find the money.

Experts have estimated a bridge would cost about $68 million.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Federal government won't fund causeway restoration
Last Updated: Friday, November 9, 2007 | 4:28 PM AT
CBC News
Ottawa has sent a terse letter to the New Brunswick government saying there's no money to restore the Petitcodiac causeway.

The province wanted help from the federal government to replace part of the causeway with a bridge to allow fish to travel up the river.

In the letter, federal Transport Minister Lawrence Cannon said the project does not qualify for federal funding and it is up to the province to find the money.

Experts have estimated a bridge would cost about $68 million.

Bad new, disappointment, a setback.