YEG - Edmonton Int Airport - Page 45

oilfan · #**881** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 9:58 PM**

WINTER 2008 ANNOUNCEMENTS:

YYC gets daily LH to Frankfurt.

YEG gets one daily additional flight to SFO, a cut from 2 to 1 daily flights to SLC, a cut from 3 to 2 daily flights to SEA.

What's next? My guess is that with YYC going 2x daily to FRA, that AC cuts back on YEG to LHR (3-4 times weekly).

This is getting ridiculous.

IKAN104 · #**882** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 10:17 PM**

Know what we need? We need an airline to make Edmonton its hub. Cause with another hub right in our back yard we'll just continue to take 1 step forward, 1 step back.

Coldrsx · #**883** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 10:20 PM**

^ridiculous indeed...yes we have a shortage of gates, but thats the only excuse. YEG is one of if not the fastest growing airport in north america in 2007 and has obvious demand for new flights, new planes.

...stupid opportunity cost excel sheets.

rapid_business · #**884** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 10:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

...stupid opportunity cost excel sheets.

please expand?

Rocket252 · #**885** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 11:49 PM**

Well Reg

So much for getting FRA to YEG in 2008.

We are rapidly becoming a feeder airport to Calgary for international flights.

What have you got to say now?

murman · #**886** Posted **Oct 23, 2007, 11:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rocket252

Well Reg

So much for getting FRA to YEG in 2008.

We are rapidly becoming a feeder airport to Calgary for international flights.

What have you got to say now?

Becoming?

BlueFusion · #**887** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 1:08 AM**

Well if it turns out to be true that LH is coming to YYC next year, then looks like YVR could also be feeding the new flight. Seems kind of hard to beleive that there is more demand from YYC over YVR to warrant a second daily, unless there is more to this rumour that we don't know about, and AC is planning on moving some of their YYC flights to be split with YEG.

EdmTrekker · #**888** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 1:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by BlueFusion

Well if it turns out to be true that LH is coming to YYC next year, then looks like YVR could also be feeding the new flight. Seems kind of hard to beleive that there is more demand from YYC over YVR to warrant a second daily, unless there is more to this rumour that we don't know about, and AC is planning on moving some of their YYC flights to be split with YEG.

I agree with your logic.

AC does not fly from YVR to FRA - only LH does. In addition there are charters. YVR manages just fine with the one daily scheduled flight.

As for YYC getting a LH flight (not yet announced) - why would LH fly FRA to YYC when AC already fly this route? Not likely to happen without a reduction in AC flights. More likely is that AC will fly from YEG even if 3 days a week - leaving YYC to LH and maybe keeping a couple days.

Edmonchuck · #**889** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 3:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by murman

Becoming?

My thoughts exactly.

tuffyy · #**890** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 2:44 PM**

I really hate to say this...But at this rate we are going to be tagged.

Edmonton Int'l airport
-Canada's fastest growing feeder to YYC airport.
Again I hate that.

Bigtime · #**891** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 3:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

As for YYC getting a LH flight (not yet announced) - why would LH fly FRA to YYC when AC already fly this route? Not likely to happen without a reduction in AC flights. More likely is that AC will fly from YEG even if 3 days a week - leaving YYC to LH and maybe keeping a couple days.

No reduction on the AC side guys, sorry. However there may be an equipment change for what AC uses on the FRA route, now does this free up some other metal for YEG? That I don't know. So there is still hope for you guys up there.

Jasper and one o nin · #**892** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 3:15 PM**

The YEG expansion will also see construction of a new office/control tower

Rocket252 · #**893** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 3:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bigtime

No reduction on the AC side guys, sorry. However there may be an equipment change for what AC uses on the FRA route, now does this free up some other metal for YEG? That I don't know. So there is still hope for you guys up there.

Sometimes I have to wonder about this lack of metal excuse. Never seems to be a problem when YYC needs/get a new route but always comes up at YEG.

A nice cop out by the airlines.

Bigtime · #**894** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 3:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rocket252

Sometimes I have to wonder about this lack of metal excuse. Never seems to be a problem when YYC needs/get a new route but always comes up at YEG.

A nice cop out by the airlines.

Well it's not just North American carriers using it, a lot of the crowd over at airliners.net excused the Lufthansa to Calgary route as a rumour because LH apparently didn't "have enough metal" to do it.

However in AC's case I could see some truth to it, but as the 777's keep coming in that will definitely free up some 330's and 767's for other routes.

tuffyy · #**895** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 4:23 PM**

^We must all remember if we had AC hubbing in YEG things would be diffirent,we dont so the ''hub'' comes first...

Edmonchuck · #**896** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 4:34 PM**

tuffyy has it right, the mistakes of the 1960's STILL haunt us today...way to piss off the Feds...f&*(ing muni debate.....

oilfan · #**897** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 4:40 PM**

My guess though is that YEG will suffer if LH moves into YYC, because they will cut YEG-LHR capacity in order to feed more through YYC to Europe.

#**898** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 4:42 PM**

The LHR route shouldn't be affected to much. It has a strong O&D market. Try booking to the continent of Europe and you get routed through YYC or YYZ anyways.

craneSpotter · #**899** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 6:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by brento79

The LHR route shouldn't be affected to much. It has a strong O&D market. Try booking to the continent of Europe and you get routed through YYC or YYZ anyways.

Really? I would think you are more likely to get connected through YYZ or YUL, at least through AC (Star). Remember YUL has daily, scheduled direct connections to 7 continental European airports, including x2 FRA (with LH's only FC from Canada-FRA) and x6 CDG.

YYC just has the one daily scheduled flight to FRA right now, and I found that AC (Star) doesn't really route through YYC from YEG (even when flying YEG-FRA) to European destinations as a first choice, it'll send you through YYZ or YUL first. Maybe the charter (Zoom,Air Transat etc) world is different, but charter flights are pretty useless unless you have VERY flexible timeframes. They are more for packaged holidays.

I think you guys should be thankful for the increased direct connections for trans-boarder (US) and national that YEG has managed to gain over the past 10 years. Especially considering YYC is the established regional AC/WJ hub for the prairies, a fact you'll just have to deal with.

If a direct scheduled connection from the prairies to Europe is considered, YYC will be considered first as it is an established canadian regional hub. YEG would be next. YYC is far from being a canadian international hub, YVR YYZ and YUL are too firmly established - unless WJ goes international that is.

However, if you don't want to connect through YYC, don't - you are the customer. If I was flying to continental Europe from YEG, I would connect through YYZ or YUL before YYC. The upside of doing this wold be an increase in capacity/flights from YEG to YYZ and YUL. Then when you guys get to 9m+ PAX a year you'll get a direct to FRA or AMS.

That being said, YEG has to be the busiest, non-hub, airport in Canada. Oh, and I agree, the YEG-LHR route shouldn't be affected much by YYC possibly getting a x2 daily to FRA. AC already uses a smaller plane on the YYC-FRA, than say LH does on the FRA from YVR, YYZ and YUL. I would expect LH to do the same if they decide to do a daily direct from YYC-FRA.

Coldrsx · #**900** Posted **Oct 24, 2007, 6:48 PM**

^that it is...by a long shot.

Hamilton/WINN/OTT are all in the 3-3.5 mill areas.....6mil this year from YEG is pretty impressive