Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[SLC Tortfeasor]

Originally Posted by SLCforme

did I read that right futur mayor, that the move of the oddfellows building should begin this month? that would be cool to watch it come down and be reassembled right across the street. it is going directly across the street isn't it?

I think it is going to be put on rollers and moved across the street. The disassembly required will be very minimal, I believe.

[delts145]

You're absolutely right Tortfeasor. That will still be quite the site to see,"up on rollers."

[Future Mayor]

From eveything I've heard they are simply adding additional space to the existing courthouse via the new building, while keeping the existing building. I couldn't see that the Feds would take down a very federal looking historic building such as the existing courthouse. I just wish they would have elected to go up rather than a big giant cube.

I love the new federal courthouse in Cleveland, OH. I would much rather see something like this on the block rather than the proposed cube.

Cleveland's new Federal Courthouse.
24 floors 430 feet


As for the Sorenson Development it's hard to say he's not doing a good thing. While it seems that the majority of us on the forum are all for urban growth we have to remember that not everyone has the same philosophies and likes. While we discourage sprawl there is that part of the population that wants to live in a nice new home in the mountains and have more than an acre of land around them.

Until legislation catches up with our thinking regarding urban infill and that legislation makes developing that land to expensive to make a profit, these types of developments. Then the balancing act is passing legislation that doesn't result to a taking of private property. Takings can be defined as limiting all potential economic viability of the property. It's truly a complicated balancing act.

[SLC Tortfeasor]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Why doesn't he invest in downtown? This is just more sprawl on agricultural land or open space. If any of you on this forum become billionaires, and want to invest it in a similar way, please invest it in our existing communities with infill and restoration projects, not on sprawled developments on the outskirts town. These just eat up the possibility of a green belt, which would help our air quality, therefore, improving our quality of life.

Oh come on, this will be great. There will be more people out there with nice big lawns to water, and a lot of them will commute in their SUVs into Park City or Salt Lake every day. We'll have to widen the roads, of course (see http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/647/Road_pricing:_What's_the_deal_.html), but Utah's current ranking as the number one per capita producer of greenhouse gases in the country will be solidified. (see http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7133901?source=rv) And it will mean more business for doctors treating respiratory diseases like asthma. (see a bunch of recent pertinent articles here http://utahmomsforcleanair.org/) And the oil companies will continue to profit, because it will prop up our dependence on oil. Of course, that will increase our dependence on the Middle East, but that will be good for defense contractors and private security firms like Blackwater.

Oh man, I could go on and on. I know some people are rolling their eyes at me right now, but I really think we need to start acknowledging all the direct and indirect costs of sprawl development. The costs are real, and they accumulate and compound.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

I plan on being a developer/planner I truly intend to focus on recreating some great neighborhoods and streets within the city. I would love to recreate the old Deseret News Building that has been posted previously on here, sand stone exterior and all. Yes we have lost many buildings but I think that responsible architects and developers can rebuild many of the buildings we have lost. Yes it will be obvious that they are new, but I think the architecture is what is important, plus in another 25 years + people won't remember when that great looking old building was built. I think this can be accomplish with infill project and re use project. I think a great example is the Brooks Arcade building, Alphagraphics on State and 300 S.


Save the Shubrick, Save the Utah/Pantages!

I definately agree with everything you've said Future Mayor. Looking at the buildings above, I would say it is possible to recreate them to an exacting form and not look like a new/faux creation. So much so that people would exclaim,"Oh, what a beautiful old building, isn't it great how well it has been maintained." I know I've seen many new homes in Draper,Sandy,and Alpine with much of the same window,eaves,and cornice detailing that we see on these buildings pictured above. Most important would be the finish and color on the brick and stone.

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[millhouse]

Originally Posted by SLC Tortfeasor

I think it is going to be put on rollers and moved across the street. The disassembly required will be very minimal, I believe.

That is correct. The building will be placed on rollers. Its looking like my company will be the earthwork contractor on it.

[Future Mayor]

I meant to get this posted right after my previous courthouse post but it took me some time to get back to it. This is the proposed Moss Courthouse expansion that is show on downtown rising.



How about something more vertical? I can't stand the design above.

The design of the new courhouse in Cleveland is hands down more ashtetically pleasing in my opinion. Yes the Cleveland one is much large, about twce the size (727,000 vs 367,188) but it is so by far more appealing to the eye.

Here is another view of it.


Maybe it's just me, but I definetly like this one better than the proposed one for SLC.

[SLCforme]

Originally Posted by millhouse

That is correct. The building will be placed on rollers. Its looking like my company will be the earthwork contractor on it.

That's pretty sweet! I will definitely try to catch that one. So what's the timeframe on the project if your company will be doing the earthwork? Will you start soon?

And Tortfeasor, your rant was great, many good points made. One that I feel strongly about is that new srawly developments like this should have to fit at least some of the bill for construction of new roads and widening of existing roads to handle the increased traffic.

And in reference to greenhouse gasses, everyone should rent the documentary "who killed the electric car?". There really are (or were) viable electric cars being made by GM and sold in California, but they were all destroyed for various reasons that the film goes into. Of course a necessity of widespread electric car use is to develop solar, geothermal and wind electricity production, as coal generated electricity simply gives the electric cars "a longer tailpipe" (even though coal generated electricity for electric cars is 4 times more energy efficient than gas for internal combustion engine cars).

[millhouse]

The project is starting this month. However the building wont be move across the street immediately.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLCforme

That's pretty sweet! I will definitely try to catch that one. So what's the timeframe on the project if your company will be doing the earthwork? Will you start soon?

And in reference to greenhouse gasses, everyone should rent the documentary "who killed the electric car?". There really are (or were) viable electric cars being made by GM and sold in California, but they were all destroyed for various reasons that the film goes into. Of course a necessity of widespread electric car use is to develop solar, geothermal and wind electricity production, as coal generated electricity simply gives the electric cars "a longer tailpipe" (even though coal generated electricity for electric cars is 4 times more energy efficient than gas for internal combustion engine cars).

Loved that movie SLCforme. Electric cars seem to be coming on line with more viable batteries in the near future. At least that's what I have been reading. A large Tesla auto plant was just constructed or is being built in Albuquerque also. Anyway, there have been some pretty significant advances in batteries recently. There were a few postings about it on the transportation thread.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by Viperlord

Found this last weekend...It contains a small section of the Makret Station development.
http://www.standardarchitects.com/pdf/0622MSP1.pdf

http://www.westmillennium.com/featured_projects/market_station/index.php

Those renderings in those links don't look the same as the one I saw.. It's much bigger than that. Those renderings didn't even show the high rise.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by wrendog

Those renderings in those links don't look the same as the one I saw.. It's much bigger than that. Those renderings didn't even show the high rise.

Are these renderings you saw on display somewhere? Every time you talk about the new plan highrise it makes me what to see it more. LOL

[SLC Projects]

What is this Oddfellows Hall building that they are moving?

[ski_steve]

Hi I'm new to this website. I'm studying Architecture at the U. I'm a freshman, so it will be a couple of years before I can be a certified Architect. I plan on staying in Salt Lake and hopefully changing somethings around town for the better.

Anyway I found this really cool website about Salt Lake's main street. It all about the history of the area and its buildings. Then it goes on to talk about the malls and CCC. I highly recommend it, I found some very interesting facts.

http://www.utahstories.com/transcript_second_Instalment_main%20street.htm

enjoy!

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Are these renderings you saw on display somewhere? Every time you talk about the new plan highrise it makes me what to see it more. LOL

I was talking with the law clerk at work yesterday and the Market Station concep plans were laying there. Maybe I can get a scan...

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

What is this Oddfellows Hall building that they are moving?

Odd Fellows hall was/is for the Odd Fellows Fraternity. They are alot like the Freemasons and share some of the same symbolism. It is a historic building, and should be saved to preserve the rich history of Salt Lake. It's the building that is just west of the Frank E. Moss Courthouse on Market Street.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

What is this Oddfellows Hall building that they are moving?

Odd Fellows Hall has long been one of my historical, personal favorites. The front is richly detailed and deserves a walk-by and study by all forumers.

Odd Fellows Hall, located on Market Street across from the renowned restarurant, "Market Street Grill." Photo dated, 22 June 1905


Independant Order of Odd Fellows Group, 25 February 1912

[Sight-Seer]

My 2-cents about the courthouse. The Cleveland one is a very nice design and shows some real architectural ingenuity. The Salt Lake cube, on the other hand, is the lamest architectural attempt I've seen in a long time. Why would we want to be stuck with this thing in Salt Lake? With all the exciting designs going on all over the world, especially in Dubai, building a simple cube is unforgiveable. This applies to office buildings. The Hamilton building, almost under construction, is an example of a box. There are some different angles, but it's basicly a box. I keep hoping for a last-minute change in design. They have a chance to build something big enough to help satisfy the office demand in Salt Lake and an exciting addition to Salt Lake's skyline too. I'm disappointed in this project. Hopefully the courthouse will undergo some changes before it's built.

[delts145]

Metro - Park City

Builders drill through record
Construction boom measured in hammers, nails, and pizza slices

http://www.parkrecord.com/todaysheadlines/ci_7161972

Sky Lodge


The Colony


For months, it seemed certain that builders would eclipse the previous $173.3 million standard, set in 2006, and the industry now has the final quarter of 2007 to push the record higher. Through the end of September, the industry is 21.9 percent ahead of the 2006 tally.

High-dollar projects -- the Sky Lodge in Old Town, Silver Star at Park City Mountain Resort, the Intermountain Healthcare hospital at Quinn's Junction and hotels on the slopes of Deer Valley Resort -- pumped up the numbers, but the construction boom has been widespread. Old Town is hot, and construction sites dot the city's other neighborhoods.


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[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by delts145

Odd Fellows Hall has long been one of my historical, personal favorites. The front is richly detailed and deserves a walk-by and study by all forumers.

Odd Fellows Hall, located on Market Street across from the renowned restarurant, "Market Street Grill." Photo dated, 22 June 1905


Independant Order of Odd Fellows Group, 25 February 1912

It was most recently home to a little locally owned restaurant called The Barking Frog. It has now been closed at least 8 years I think. Being on Market Street it would be a great location for another great restaurant, completing the already great selection on that street.