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That is the site I found all of the above images. Sounds like you and I are on the same page on this one Delts.

I'm not sure on the space availability that it might require for a new large theater but what about the space across from Capital, those two 3 or 4 story red brick 80's buildings that are part of the American Towers plaza, that currently house the Red Door and Olive Garden. If the space is large enough that would make a great location for a new theater, the lobby entrance could face the corner of 200 S and W Temple. Or another location could be the parking lot north of the the Peery. Either of these locations would put Rose Wagner, New Theater, Captital, Utah and Off Broadway all within a three block area. Not bad in my opinion.

Heres another one of my crappy what if maps, showing a potential for a decent theater district. It includes my two possible locations for a new large theater, hey maybe even two (lol), Rose Wagner, Captial, Utah, and Off Broadway.
Hey Future Mayor, I'm glad you and Scaperdude started this little discussion up about The Utah Theatre. It's a very important topic and hopefully adequate resolutions will be forthcoming soon. As far as the needed 'larger theatre' site of the corner of 1st so. and West Temple, that would not be possible. While the American Plaza is not an architectural treasure they are adequately attractive, and have been recently upgraded. I think their conversion to Class A office is almost, if not already completed. I like that other site on West Temple though. Definately within a close enough proximity to Rose Wagner and the Capitol Theatres to be considered a 'Theatre District Heart.'
     
     
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Photos from Sunday. Driving to my wife's sisters home in Holladay and was able to zip through downtown. Only had my camera phone. Also, sorry to interject this amongst the theater conversation.

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Bridge for I-215 at 4500 S. Sorry about pictures but I was in a hurry. For those who haven't seen it. They are building the entire deck of the bridge on the side and will maneuver it into place over a weekend, I believe.
     
     
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It's a tough call on the Utah theater. If the majority of the original architecture really has been lost alread then how much is there left to save? If the current building is just essentially holding the place of the former theater then "restoring" it would really be more of a "new construction" project. However, I really don't know if this is the case, I'm just gleaning from what others are saying here.

I would say that if there is enough of the original left then it absolutely is worth restoring. However if there isn't, then I'd have to side with Scraperdude about it being prime space for a new tallest and build a new theater elsewhere.

I think the further south location for the new theater is good. I also think that the SW corner of W. Temple and 3rd S. would be great It's across the street from the Rose and next door to Squatter, currently a parking lot. My two cents.
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So it appears as though the Utah Restaurant thread is now gone so I'll just post what I have to say here. I remember someone saying that their friend was opening a new place called "Acme Burger Company". Well I ate there on friday before the gallery stroll, and I must say I was impressed. Best burger I've had in a long time (I don't eat beef often, but when I do I want it to be good, not cheap fast food bullshit). And it's an actual restaurant (ie nice place), not just a burger joint. I also had a bite of a salmon burger and it too was most excellent.
It's also in a good location, right across the street from Redrock and Settebello and around the corner from pierpont. I say, I do have a very positive attitude right now about downtown and what it's becoming. I feel like it's just on the cusp of being great right now. I honestly feel that in 10 years downtown SLC will really be something to be proud of.
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I've been wanting to go eat there, I checked out there website and it looks like a pretty nice place to have a good quality burger.

The only thing weird about where it is is how it sits off the back side of P.F. Changs. But I would rather have this retaurant there than the vacant space that it was.
     
     
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I think the plot just north of the Capitol Theater and the building on the corner of 200 S. and West Temple, where the Utah Power and Light building is, would be a great spot for a Broadway style theater. The theater would face West Temple and sit: right across the street from the Salt Palace Convention Center, on the same block as the Capitol and the Utah Theaters, and just down the street from Abravanel Hall. One of the theater's exits could spill out on to the pedestrian street where Blue Iguana and Benihana's are located--just like the Capitol Theater--helping those businesses, and filling in a large gap on West Temple. The space is definitely large enough. Had anybody though of that?
     
     
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Photos from Sunday. Driving to my wife's sisters home in Holladay and was able to zip through downtown. Only had my camera phone. Also, sorry to interject this amongst the theater conversation.


Bridge for I-215 at 4500 S. Sorry about pictures but I was in a hurry. For those who haven't seen it. They are building the entire deck of the bridge on the side and will maneuver it into place over a weekend, I believe.
T-Mac, I think we're all pretty glad that we have you zipping around taking these shots with your phone-camera. What's the deal with that I-215 bridge? It seems kind of elaborate in the pic, or is that just the framing? It looks like some kind of fancy, combination pedestrian/auto bridge.


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It's the first of its kind in the world. They build the entire bridge next to the old one, like this in the photo. They will then close the bridge on 4500 S and I-215 for the weekend and simply roll this think into place and boom you have a new bridge to drive on after one weekend instead of a few months. Pretty crazy idea. They will have people from all over the world coming in to check this out. What you see in the picture is the entire span of the bridge you will drive on.
     
     
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If you're by there again soon T-Mac, get some more pics of the bridge.

Here is an interesting little blurb from the Heritage Foundation regarding Main Street preservation.

Should Main Street Be Saved





Preservation Issues
For more than half a century, Salt Lake City's Main Street was the linkage that connected many disparate urban elements. It connected the LDS cultural and business community to the north with the gentile development that anchored the south. It was the major financial and retail center of an entire region. Not only was it the spine of our city, it was also its heart.

With the post WWII flight to the suburbs, and the development of large shopping malls centered in suburbia, Salt Lake City's central business district (CBD), and particularly Main Street, suffered enormously and showed many signs of decay. In an effort to revitalize the CBD, the Utah Chapter of the American Institute of Architects (AIA) initiated a process that ultimately resulted in the publication of the “Second Century Plan” in 1962 - the result of over 6,000 professional hours donated by architects, plus professional planners, consultants and citizens. This planning effort was enthusiastically supported and made possible by local business leaders who formed the Downtown Planning Association. In addition to recommending multiple planning strategies to revitalize our CBD, it emphasized the significance of Main Street as the primary focus of our downtown. Many improvements were subsequently made on Main Street, following the recommendations of "Target: Vitality", a 1967 publication of the Downtown Development Committee.

The significance of Main Street was again emphasized in the urban design element of the 1981 "Transportation Strategy for Downtown Salt Lake City". This study urged the city to reinforce the historical development patterns of downtown and to complete the Main Street improvements which "would provide a strong, imageable spine through the core that would distinguish the downtown and support downtown development".

In 1983, the "Preservation and Development Strategies for Salt Lake City" recommended establishment of a compatibility review overlay zone that would protect the historic resources and guide the future development of Main Street. This recommendation was endorsed in 1983 by the AIA and Salt Lake initiated R/UDAT, "Our Future by Design". This urban design study made a strong case for the preservation of historic buildings and went on to say "Main Street has an established character which merits conservation. It should not be allowed to continue to degenerate into yet another generic commercial center from Anyplace, USA."

The 1990 “Salt Lake City Urban Design Element” and the 1995 “Salt Lake City Downtown Master Plan” both continue to recognize Main Street as a unique resource by encouraging pedestrian activity at street level and banning skybridges that would negatively impact this important view corridor. These two Salt Lake City documents reinforce many of the planning concepts to protect and enhance Main Street that have been promulgated by previous urban design and planning efforts.

As evidenced by the planning and urban design documents cited above, an active, vibrant Main Street has continually been seen as critical to the success of our CBD. Today, however, there seems to be much less concern for the future of Main Street. Under the leadership of the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce, a business-led, regional visioning effort is underway with the goal of defining a common future for downtown Salt Lake City. Not once in the 17 page draft, published as "Downtown on the Rise: Detailed Vision," is Main Street mentioned as a significant element in our city. As more information becomes available, hopefully, Main Street and its historic buildings will be addressed.

Another cause for concern is the east/west orientation of the City Creek Center (including a skybridge over Main Street) that seems to ignore the historical development patterns in downtown Salt Lake City, with its strong north/south Main Street central spine. In its remarks to the Salt Lake Planning Commission, AIA Utah lamented the lack of consideration of Main Street by saying '. . . Main Street is treated like a problem child: a barrier to a smooth east-west flow of customers within the mall on the first level." Construction of a skybridge will not only degrade the Main Street view corridor, but will also negatively impact street level pedestrian activity and locally-owned, non-mall retailers.

Should the Main Street corridor be preserved as the primary commercial spine in our city? Are the historical development patterns in our downtown worthy of preservation? Should these patterns and historic buildings be respected and used as key building elements as our city continues to mature? If we really care about the special qualities that define our city as a unique place, then the answer to the above questions must be an emphatic "Yes!" The recent announcement by the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that it will save the Deseret National Bank/First Security Bank Building could well be the first step in this preservation effort.

James Christopher is an architect and founding principle of Brixen + Christopher. He has been heavily involved in urban design issues throughout the U.S. as past national Chair of R/UDAT. James Christopher is also a member of the UHF Board of Trustees.
     
     
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I'm thinking if anyone could tell us the status of the Utah Theatre, The Heritage Foundation could.
     
     
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Yet again the issue of the skybridge comes up. Why is it that the professionals that studies these things, Architects and Planners seem to be the only ones that realize the detriment that a skybridge will cause to Main Street. Why is it that others, including Taubman, The LDS Church and all but one council person (again an architect) just ignore the warnings, advice and recommendations of those that make issues like this their profession. I won't go on because this isn't the CCC thread.

It would be nice to find out what the Heritage Foundation knows regarding the condition of the Utah. I'm sure someone on here has to know someone that works for Howa, can't you make a phone call and get in to see that place, see what the condition is?

The rehab of the Utah would do wonders for the pedestrian traffic at night for this block of Main, maybe it could even slightly alleviate the negative impact of the issue in my first paragraph by drawing a couple of evening shoppers out of the mall and their vehicles close by underground and onto Main Street to see a show.
     
     
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I worked in the Tribune Building across the street from the Utah, for seven years. As much as I want to see something happen there, I don't know that the site is big enough for the "Broadway-Style Theater" that various politicians and Downtown Rising keep bringing up. The photos of the Plantages/Utah Theater certainly seem claustrophobic and inadequate for today's productions.
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A recent visit to the inside of the Utah Theatre/blog posted September 14, 2007

I was surprised to stumble across this on the CINEMA TREASURES blog. It answers many of our questions as to what is happening right now and what is the current condition of the UTAH.

http://cinematreasures.org/theater/1113/

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Sorry for not posting this sooner, but I was sworn to secrecy. But I think that enough time has passed that its okay.

About 4-6 weeks ago, my boss at my 'morning' job was contacted to construct a screen for the theater. Knowing how much I love the place, he got me in to look around.

It was so awesome to be in there, I can't find words to describe it, like I'd come home. Sounds kind of silly, but that's how it felt.

It was a mess, I won't sugarcoat it. The carpeting was gone, but the marble flooring in the entry was beautiful. There were some holes in the walls. In the lobby where the snack bar was, again no carpet, holes in walls--nothing major, etc. The snack bar, doors to the auditorium--gone. Seats, projection booth--gone. BUT the stage was still there, the wonderful carvings/scrollwork/woodwork is still there. The skylight in the Utah 2 (the upper theater) is still intact.

Now for why the hush-hush, rush-rush of the cleaning up. The Downtown Alliance along with Howa Construction brought in our legislators to try and get some money to restore my theater!!! Yes, you heard me right!!

They gave a mini screening of the movie "The World's Fastest Indian"--an Anthony Hopkins movie made in 2005, and partly filmed on the Salt Flats.

I don't know much about politics, so I don't know the outcome. But I heard from my boss that there is going to be a fundraiser in November for the theater.

While I was there just soaking it in, one of the ladies from the Downtown Alliance thought I was part of the 'crew' and was asking my opinion on things. I'd told her I'd worked there when Plitt owned it she was impressed and asked questions. When I came by again the next day, she showed me the original chandeliers that had hung in the lobby/entry. They had found them the previous night in storage and while they didn't have time to get them hung before the legislators came, they cleaned them up and left them for the presentation.

I want so much to be a part of all this, but I don't know who to ask or where to go. Any suggestions? You think the Downtown Alliance is a good place to start? I told my boss that if/when it's running again; I'd like to be a part of the management team. He said it's something he's looking at too.


So sorry this is so long, I'm just excited.
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Well I guess that answers the mystery of the condition of the theater and whether or not it is still in tact, for the most part. That is such GREAT NEWS, I like the fact that they brought the legislators in to see the theater, the fact that the chandelier was found is incredible.

I wish I had a job(student) and was in Utah, I would definitely be at the November fund raiser and would donate as much as I possibly could. I'm glad to see that Howa is looking at other possible ways to renovate it.

It's definitely not big enough for the large shows but there is definitely enough business for smaller shows and local shows to keep both Capital and Utah busy. This will give patrons more choices during the holidays when Nutcracker is running exclusively at Capital. It opens up so many options and what a great addition to the already existing fantastic Capital Theater. I wonder how many mid size cities the size of SLC have two historic and operating theaters?

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WOW, Incredible!!!! There is no way I would want to see this icon meet the wrecking ball!!!!!! Thanks for the post Viper This place is every bit as spectacular as some of the great old palaces in Hollywood. Downtown would be doing itself a BIG favor to have not only the Capitol, but also the Utah. SAVE THE UTAH PANTAGES THEATRE!!!!



     
     
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Thanks for the information Delts you must have been posting at the same time I posted my last comment.

While the exterior is not as architecturally significant as the Capital Theater (which Ironically was once also called the Orpheum), the interior definetly is. Here are some images of the Utah/Pantages, all images are from the Utah State Historcial Societies web site.

Exterior



Dome Detail


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Interior


Flooring


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Foyer



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That's enough I guess. I figured I'd post a bunch of pictures for a few reasons. One, to show how beautiful the theater once was and could be again. Two because there hasn't been a whole lot of new conversation on here the past few days, and three, I'm bored at work this morning. :-)

I am amazed at the number of theaters our fair city once had that no longer exist. I truly think it would be a shame to lose one of the remaining ones. SAVE THE UTAH
wow that original facade is beautiful. if they would bring back that facade, and properly restore it, then I need to eat my words. .. Build a tower behind it and make this beautiful!
     
     
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I COMPLETELY agree. It would be a mistake to let that theater go. Think of how amazing it would be if the new performing arts center was to be built on the same block as the Capitol and a restored Utah theater? That would fantastic.

Thanks for posting those picture Viper.

here is the rendering of the Performing Arts Center from the Downtown Rising wesbsite:

     
     
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the proposed plans call for the restoring of the facade. However you will notice in the historic pictures that the facade is 3 floors tall. The third floor was removed a long time ago, and is currently only two floors. So the new facade would obviously only have 2 floors.
     
     
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