YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[Jasper and one o nin]

^yeah, I saw that one too. Not bad. Its the one where the couple are looking at a monitor in the airport and all destinations are Edmonton...

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

Interesting that the Air France/KLM GROUP are "integrated" on many flights to North America. This is more than Code Share - it is total financial integration.

(http://www.airfranceklm-finance.com/flash/EN/Carte/Carte.htm)

Air France/KLM GROUP is now (apparently) the largest passenger "airline" in the World. Some are saying that it may be KLM or the Air France/KLM GROUP (SkyTeam) that are the rumoured new route for AMS-YEG-YYC and YYC-YEG-AMS (or a derivation thereof). That or AC will finally cough up YEG to FRA.

Air France owns KLM now so they are the same company. Who is stating that there is a possible AMS-YEG-YYC route? From Airliners? That would be amazing.

[Coldrsx]

so i was cleaning out my old room and found a few things including the 1998-2018 "YEG MASTER PLAN"...im sure some of this is outdated and incorrect, but fun to look at anyway. Enjoy!

[Coldrsx]

Hotel

[Coldrsx]

oh the numbers....:>

[Coldrsx]

misc. everything:

[Coldrsx]

more than a few rumours running around about YEG-FRA on LH now...

[tarapoto]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

when AC gets their 777 and 787, YEG will see FRA on a 767

No, they won't. The 767's are going to be retired and replaced with 787's

[Jasper and one o nin]

those plans are pretty neat. I wonder why they would not go with the centre finger as part of their expansion.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

more than a few rumours running around about YEG-FRA on LH now...

Rumors from where? What website? Or do you have some inside sources you can't divulge.

[tuffyy]

Yes,rumors are pointing at LH entering the Alberta market on a codeshare basis with AC.YEG and YYC both seem to be inline on this one.Offcourse we are only hearing the YYC bit.2008 will hopefully finally produce this long overdue route for YEG.

[adeep88]

Got back from a vacation to Orlando.

Flew from EDM to ORL via Denver
-flights from and to Edmonton both 90% full, perhaps a bit more.
- Denver's airport, although nice, felt a bit ordinary for a major US HUB. Personally, I like YVR much better
- The guys sitting infront of me on the way back from Denver to YEG, had a another flight ahead to YYC. Must be Denver to YYC was sold out?
- They threw out my shaving cream at YEG. Idiots.
- Ridiculous pictures of Edmonton's skylines coming in from the US arrivals at customs, and another one at arrivals. Can't update or find better pictures?
- No movie or TV from Edmonton to Denver. One beverage and pretzles, that's it. No newspaper either.
- For all the criticism Edmonton gets about having it's airport located 10-15 minutes out of town, Denver's is a good 30 minutes, in the middle of nowhere.
- Saw a sign. $44 CAB to city center, and "only" $56 for LIMO. They really need ETS going to the Airport

[Coldrsx]

^yup...the skyline pictures here are drab, grey, poor angles...etc.

[Riise]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

We need daily Non-Stop into AMS and FRA (and Berlin better than FRA - which with consolidation of the three Berlin airports will replace FRA, as the German HUB within 5 years and it would be great to secure gate space and build a route now).

With there being lots of talk about LH entering YEG and YYC and considering the fact that YYC-MUC might not be that great for connections, I'm starting to think the new flights might be YEG-FRA and YYC-SXF/BER on LH. Either that or YEG & YYC-FRA until the Berlin transformation is complete.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by Riise

With there being lots of talk about LH entering YEG and YYC and considering the fact that YYC-MUC might not be that great for connections, I'm starting to think the new flights might be YEG-FRA and YYC-SXF/BER on LH. Either that or YEG & YYC-FRA until the Berlin transformation is complete.

Another interesting addition to the large rumor mill. Let's hope this guy works for Lufthansa.
http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=40244

As well, KrisYYC over at the Skyscraper YYC thread says not to abandon the idea of another YYC-FRA route so perhaps it would be a YYC-YEG-FRA route or perhaps YEG and YYC splitting 7 flights a week in some way.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=90565&page=43

As for flights to Berlin. I highly doubt this will happen anytime soon. The only international flight on LH (or UA i think) is to Washington D.C. (if that's even still the case) so why would LH choose Calgary as its 2nd international flight out of TXL. Secondly, there is basically no connections at TXL or SXF so strike 2. Thirdly, LH wants to build up MUC as a 2nd hub to FRA and until that happens, Berlin will not play a major role as a gateway to anywhere anytime soon. This topic has been talked about a lot especially on airliners.net.

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by LO 044

As for flights to Berlin. I highly doubt this will happen anytime soon. The only international flight on LH (or UA i think) is to Washington D.C. (if that's even still the case) so why would LH choose Calgary as its 2nd international flight out of TXL. Secondly, there is basically no connections at TXL or SXF so strike 2. Thirdly, LH wants to build up MUC as a 2nd hub to FRA and until that happens, Berlin will not play a major role as a gateway to anywhere anytime soon. This topic has been talked about a lot especially on airliners.net.

Anyone wanting to see a video & website of the plans for consolidation and the massive expansion of SXF into Berlin Brandenburg International (Airport) or BBI should check this website out:

http://www.berlin-airport.de/EN/BBI/index.html

BBI will accomodate 22-25M passengers when it opens, current 2006 pax is: SXF, TXL, THF total 18.5 million - so they are busy planning an expansion already.

LO 044, FYI, Continental (SkyTeam) fly NYC /Newark daily to Berlin TXL and Delta (SkyTeam) from NYC/JFK to Berlin TXL daily. You neglected to mention that Lufthansa actually OWNS Frankfurt Airport. That is why you are likely correct, in that LH will not want to dilute its revenue stream to other airports it has no control of or investment in. That said, LH does fly into Berlin TXL from many places - and with consolidation of Berlin airports to BBI - LH may be scrambling to buy gates like every other airline. A reality of BBI is that it IS and will continue to be a major airport for LCC that will feed from Eastern Europe and the Middle east looking to get value fares that connect to North America. That is how BBI is positioning itself (as well) to reap this cash cow. With Berlin's rise as political capital of Europe and with remergence as the financial capital of Germany as well as social and cultural capital - it is flexing its rather significant muscles.

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

LO 044, FYI, Continental (SkyTeam) fly NYC /Newark daily to Berlin TXL and Delta (SkyTeam) from NYC/JFK to Berlin TXL daily. You neglected to mention that Lufthansa actually OWNS Frankfurt Airport. That is why you are likely correct, in that LH will not want to dilute its revenue stream to other airports it has no control of or investment in. That said, LH does fly into Berlin TXL from many places - and with consolidation of Berlin airports to BBI - LH may be scrambling to buy gates like every other airline. A reality of BBI is that it IS and will continue to be a major airport for LCC that will feed from Eastern Europe and the Middle east looking to get value fares that connect to North America. That is how BBI is positioning itself (as well) to reap this cash cow. With Berlin's rise as political capital of Europe and with remergence as the financial capital of Germany as well as social and cultural capital - it is flexing its rather significant muscles.

Yes i'm sure i missed a couple of international flights from TXL. As for Lufthansa owning FRA, i definitely didn't know that. Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see YEG-BBI flights in the future as my final destination is always Berlin when i fly to Europe. A few years ago Air Transat flew to TXL from YEG with one stop in Europe somewhere but the ticket sales were so bad for the TXL run that the eg was cancelled before the first flight took off. I think it will be a long time before BBI becomes a player but i hope i'm wrong.

As for the city of Berlin, i think it's great but it being the political capital of Europe or financial capital of Germany? I'm not sure i agree with that. Yes Berlin is influential but last time i checked the EU is not planning to move their headquarters from Brussels to Berlin and i'm not sure if Berlin will ever be allowed to be the political capital of Europe judging by its history. As little as i know about Germany's finances and economics, i do believe Frankfurt and Cologne/Bonn still hold the primary financial institutions in Germany.

Another issue is that FRA is scheduled to open their new northwest landing runway by 2011 and Terminal 3 by 2014. Berlin's BBI airport is scheduled to open by 2011. It will be interesting what kind of effects these expansions will have on eachother.

I think if BBI is to become a player, it will be because of Air Berlin. It has recently bought LTU (yes the LTU that was supposed to fly to YEG this year) and has placed an order for 25 Boeing 787's so they will definitely try to expand internationally and compete with LH. At this point, TXL has plenty of slots available yet it has very few international destinations relative to FRA and MUC and IT IS the capital of Germany. LH is also expanding its Dusseldorf operations and their will be DUS-YYZ flights next year so again this says to me that Berlin is not on LH's radar. Personally i think Berlin is treated badly in terms of choice for air travel internationally (not including low-cost carriers). It's almost like they are the YEG of Germany or even worse based on the number of people living in Berlin and it being the capital of Germany. But this sometimes means nothing. How many flights does YOW handle relative to YYZ and YUL?

[EdmTrekker]

Originally Posted by LO 044

Yes i'm sure i missed a couple of international flights from TXL. As for Lufthansa owning FRA, i definitely didn't know that. Don't get me wrong, i'd love to see YEG-BBI flights in the future as my final destination is always Berlin when i fly to Europe. A few years ago Air Transat flew to TXL from YEG with one stop in Europe somewhere but the ticket sales were so bad for the TXL run that the eg was cancelled before the first flight took off. I think it will be a long time before BBI becomes a player but i hope i'm wrong.

As for the city of Berlin, i think it's great but it being the political capital of Europe or financial capital of Germany? I'm not sure i agree with that. Yes Berlin is influential but last time i checked the EU is not planning to move their headquarters from Brussels to Berlin and i'm not sure if Berlin will ever be allowed to be the political capital of Europe judging by its history. As little as i know about Germany's finances and economics, i do believe Frankfurt and Cologne/Bonn still hold the primary financial institutions in Germany.

Another issue is that FRA is scheduled to open their new northwest landing runway by 2011 and Terminal 3 by 2014. Berlin's BBI airport is scheduled to open by 2011. It will be interesting what kind of effects these expansions will have on eachother.

I think if BBI is to become a player, it will be because of Air Berlin. It has recently bought LTU (yes the LTU that was supposed to fly to YEG this year) and has placed an order for 25 Boeing 787's so they will definitely try to expand internationally and compete with LH. At this point, TXL has plenty of slots available yet it has very few international destinations relative to FRA and MUC and IT IS the capital of Germany. LH is also expanding its Dusseldorf operations and their will be DUS-YYZ flights next year so again this says to me that Berlin is not on LH's radar. Personally i think Berlin is treated badly in terms of choice for air travel internationally (not including low-cost carriers). It's almost like they are the YEG of Germany or even worse based on the number of people living in Berlin and it being the capital of Germany. But this sometimes means nothing. How many flights does YOW handle relative to YYZ and YUL?

Interesting comments. Of course BBI is now "open" in that it is SXF - and being expanded. At 19M pax currently and 70% international pax - BBI is already "international". Growth at BBI is 3X that of FRA and climbing. My point in thinking about a BBI to YEG connection was to beat YYC, YVR etc. to secure a gate connection. Berlin region has 10 million people itself - no little number - plus it is the Low Cost Carrier gateway of Europe (presently). EAA/YEG should be courting Air Berlin - NOW!.

Speaking of LCC - indeed Air Berlin is flapping its wings - and its growth is much more substantial than Air Canada. The new toys it bought will ensure it has capacity for long range international flights including North America. But where is EasyJet and Ryanair in entering the North American market? It seems to me they might wlecome a home like YEG - where they could own the turf and feed off WJA and ACA connections. Maybe Air Berlin could beat them in here??

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

The plans for the airport look very interesting. I wonder how close the hotel will look compared to the plans...

The thing that is shows the lack of growth plans is the projections for growth. From 2001 on, they predict low/medium/high growth rates at the same!

Ouch.