Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta International Airport - Page 24

atlantaguy · #**461** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 8:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lexy

It is still the same "company" and they still owe the airport authority money for back rent. End of story and the end of game for them here. Ask anyone, ANYONE in their office and they will tell you that Nashville is a hole in their route system that they would like to plug back up. But until they pay up, they are on the outside looking in.

I am much more connected to the industry than you would think. Matter of fact, you would be pleasantly surprised to know what I do in regards to it and what I know (or WHO I know). But I digress. I'm not going to get into a cute little pissing match with someone who thinks they know it all. You have been, and continue to be, the only one on here that thinks everyone is clueless but yourself. I am through with the thread. You, Altantaguy, have lived up to the expectations that are set out for forumers from Atlanta. Thanks for backing up what has already been known on this forum about most of you.

Good day.

Ah, so I guess you're taking your toys and going home then?

So glad as to not let you down re: the dreaded, arrogant Atlantans. We aim to please.

Grow up.

Dragonheart8588 · #**462** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 8:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lexy

It is still the same "company" and they still owe the airport authority money for back rent. End of story and the end of game for them here. Ask anyone, ANYONE in their office and they will tell you that Nashville is a hole in their route system that they would like to plug back up. But until they pay up, they are on the outside looking in.

I am much more connected to the industry than you would think. Matter of fact, you would be pleasantly surprised to know what I do in regards to it and what I know (or WHO I know). But I digress. I'm not going to get into a cute little pissing match with someone who thinks they know it all. You have been, and continue to be, the only one on here that thinks everyone is clueless but yourself. I am through with the thread. You, Altantaguy, have lived up to the expectations that are set out for forumers from Atlanta. Thanks for backing up what has already been known on this forum about most of you.

Good day.

I warned you about some these people. However, not every Atlantan in this forum is like that. There are still some kind and considerate people here on this forum.

STrek777 · #**463** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 9:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lexy

It is still the same "company" and they still owe the airport authority money for back rent. End of story and the end of game for them here. Ask anyone, ANYONE in their office and they will tell you that Nashville is a hole in their route system that they would like to plug back up. But until they pay up, they are on the outside looking in.

I am much more connected to the industry than you would think. Matter of fact, you would be pleasantly surprised to know what I do in regards to it and what I know (or WHO I know). But I digress. I'm not going to get into a cute little pissing match with someone who thinks they know it all. You have been, and continue to be, the only one on here that thinks everyone is clueless but yourself. I am through with the thread. You, Altantaguy, have lived up to the expectations that are set out for forumers from Atlanta. Thanks for backing up what has already been known on this forum about most of you.

Good day.

WOW and I didn't even have to say one word. After my last rant on here I went back to re read my post and they were pretty bitc*y. I thought this time I would sit back and see if the conversation would run it's course. Yes I am very protective over Delta but Lexy just sounded like she had her lolly pop stolen and got her feelings hurt. So no book today just a big smile as I roll my eyes at Lexy's comments. I wish everyone a great day

Fiorenza · #**464** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 10:19 PM**

I'd like to wish everyone a great day.

Fiorenza · #**465** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 10:22 PM**

If Dekalb County really wanted to move to the front, they'd open up and expand PDK for short commercial flights, with connector buses every 5 minutes running to Chamblee Marta.

PremierAtlanta · #**466** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 11:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fiorenza

If Dekalb County really wanted to move to the front, they'd open up and expand PDK for short commercial flights, with connector buses every 5 minutes running to Chamblee Marta.

That would be a great idea. The surrounding area will probably be even more resistent to PDK expanding. With all of the condos, townhomes and brownstones in the area, I can not see this going by easy.

What about putting the second airport up in Hall County near the Outer Loop. Well I should say the proposed outer loop.

Fiorenza · #**467** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 11:31 PM**

We know the PDK area formerly was full of NIMBYs but most of the folks have moved on or passed away and the area is now almost totally occupied by minorities or commercial. A Mexican ain't going to show up at a hearing and bitch. Commercial owners would love the value add. The new infill owners in Chamblee would probably not like it, but I wonder if they are paying attention.

Stratosphere 2020 · #**468** Posted **Aug 1, 2007, 11:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fiorenza

We know the PDK area formerly was full of NIMBYs but most of the folks have moved on or passed away and the area is now almost totally occupied by minorities or commercial. A Mexican ain't going to show up at a hearing and bitch. Commercial owners would love the value add.

Hehe true.

daharris80 · #**469** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 12:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by bATLbecks

Just thought I'd tell you, I read on ajc.com today that Hartsfield has resorted to using buses to transport people from planes to the terminal and vice versa. We all had that experience, I bet, when after a long flight you still have to wait on the ground for an additional 30 minutes for an occupied gate to become free. So, good news is they're finally trying to remedy this. Bad news, these people are so slow-acting that they hardly realize that the demand for a 2nd ATL airport is imminent and necessary now -- not 10/20 years down the road. Jeez, when will they learn?!

I don't know if the buses to Terminal is a good solution. Last month I picked some people up who flew in from Tokyo. They had to wait OVER 30 minutes in their plane as they waited for the little bus trolleys to pull up to the plain, raise up and then allow just 30-40 people on at a time. Apparently there were only two of these working and it took a long time to unload the entire plane, then to wait on their bags, then to wait in a customs line, then to recheck their bags just to leave the airport, then to wait for their bags for a second time. From landing to leaving the airport it took them close to 2 hours, and I was the fool waiting for them in the atrium. If they don't have enough gates for international flights, they need to find room to make more or do something because international travelers have a lot of choices and if they want to avoid ATL they can.

Fiorenza · #**470** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 1:52 AM**

This is a big problem. I'm hearing from my international friends that 2 to 3 hour delays in getting through the gate and customs are not at all uncommon. This is going to hurt Atlanta, and may keep Delta from getting the coveted Chinese rights. To bad the local yokels were too busy trying to get payback on the design firm when they couldn't manage to carve more favors out of the international terminal contract. That little game ended up costing years of progress and hundreds of millions more in handouts from the taxpayers and travellers to get it built...if it ever is built.

ATLonthebrain · #**471** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 2:52 AM**

The waits for Intl gates and clearing customs doesn't sound like a good situation. And yes, the delay has cost the Airport. However, this could have been just the opposite of what it is today. When DL went into bankruptcy, there was no clear indication of exactly how ATL's international traffic/route network was going to fare afterwards. Talk is one thing and action is quite another, and thankfully DL talked the talk and walked the walk with building its international presence there. FWIW, I don't think this situation is going to have any bearing on the China route authority. DL is all but a lock for the next award for its proposed service to Shanghai.

Whatever deals and handouts there may or may not have been is beside the point. And who can prove it? The East Terminal will be built. The Consolidated Rent-A-Car Center will be built. And sometime next decade, the South Terminal will be built. It's typical for ATL's projects to come online late, but they happen.

ATL is too much of an economic engine to stop growing! If it does, it's going to begin rippling through potential growth of the metro area. It is one of the primary reasons so many businesses have located there. Virtually no other airport on the planet has service to as many nonstop destinations worldwide. So, speaking on the East Terminal, even if there are delays, that does not constitute cancellation. Working in the field of Airport Management for the last 12-years, including a spell @ ATL, I know that these sorts of situations are not uncommon around the country, and the world.

The terminal at Detroit Metro was delayed due to 9/11. As a result, along with soaring construction costs, it's not as large nor does it have as many gates as originally proposed. If ATL had moved forward with this building, and DL had de-emphasized International traffic there, people would be crying about how much money was wasted building a white elephant of a terminal that wasn't needed and pointing fingers at the same group of people. Basically, the airport can't f-ing win for losing with the crowd of armchair experts and critics down there.

Also, keep in mind that DL, with its position as having the majority of service @ ATL, in essence gets its say as to whether these projects go forward. Most airports have a process in place whereby before issuing debt to finance construction, they must first get MII (majority-in-interest) approval from the airlines. Without DL's support, the projects won't happen. And DL very well may have had a part to play in why it didn't go forward earlier in the decade. Who are we to think we know, without inside info? Regardless, it will be built, just not when most had hoped.

Hiccups are one thing for the airport to experience, and that's what is happening on occasion this summer. A complete meltdown, however, is quite another situation. That is NOT going to happen before action is taken and the situation is eased with expanded space. DL wants and needs the expansion to happen, so that it can continue to grow. And the same goes for AirTran.

Fiorenza · #**472** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 3:16 AM**

I just never heard a rational reason why the original design contract was cancelled. Knowing how Atlanta operates, it smelled like a "follow the money" thing. Speaking of money, settlement of damages on the cancellation are still pending. Anyway, the result is we're going to spend far more money for far less terminal.

daharris80 · #**473** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 4:05 AM**

Thanks ATLonthebrain for the response. I agree that it's not surprising that the Airport waited on Delta to get out of Bankruptcy and that the change to an International focus has made expansion of the International terminal overdue, to no one's fault. However, the idea of buses and the bus lifts seem like a really bad solution. I don't think it would take too much to design a temporary extension to the terminal where stairs are utilized and passengers walk down to a short covered walkway to get to the terminal. Perhaps there are liability issues with using stairs, or even problems getting people through customs. As far as the domestic gates something could be done similar to CVG where the regional jets unload in a small area and passengers walk to the main terminal, this seems to allow for many more planes in a smaller area and frees up gates for large planes. I saw something at one time in Terminal C where something like this was planned, but I haven't heard about it recently.

ThrashATL · #**474** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 2:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by bATLbecks

Just thought I'd tell you, I read on ajc.com today that Hartsfield has resorted to using buses to transport people from planes to the terminal and vice versa. We all had that experience, I bet, when after a long flight you still have to wait on the ground for an additional 30 minutes for an occupied gate to become free. So, good news is they're finally trying to remedy this. Bad news, these people are so slow-acting that they hardly realize that the demand for a 2nd ATL airport is imminent and necessary now -- not 10/20 years down the road. Jeez, when will they learn?!

There are times when all 170+ gates are used. There are also times at ATL when there are 100 gates empty. The airlines, mostly Delta, have to figure out better efficiency of their concourse/gate usage and start using more spacing for arrivals. A 2nd airport is not needed in Atlanta, just more efficiency of current facilities. There are plans for almost 50 or so gates at ATL through the International terminal expansion (12 gates) and the new southern commuter terminal (36 gates).

Lexy · #**475** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by STrek777

Lexy just sounded like she had her lolly pop stolen and got her feelings hurt. So no book today just a big smile as I roll my eyes at Lexy's comments. I wish everyone a great day

For what it's worth, I am a man. 28 years old and happily married. "Lexy" is short for my old hometown of Lexington, KY.

Open mouth and insert foot. I have been here for quite some time and most everyone, sans you newbies, knows who I am and what gender I am. Of course, a simple look at my profile would tell you that.

atlantaguy · #**476** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 6:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lexy

I haven't come in here with an attitude, so I expect the same from the Atlantians in here.

Nope, not a trace of attitude here.......

P.S. It's Atlantans

Andrea · #**477** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 6:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Fiorenza

We know the PDK area formerly was full of NIMBYs but most of the folks have moved on or passed away and the area is now almost totally occupied by minorities or commercial. A Mexican ain't going to show up at a hearing and bitch. Commercial owners would love the value add. The new infill owners in Chamblee would probably not like it, but I wonder if they are paying attention.

Some of us little people over here in Buckhead and Brookhaven might show up. We're within 2-3 miles of PDK and we already get a tremendous amount of aircraft noise. You should hear a Citation go scorching by at 1500' or so when you're having a backyard cocktail party.

Fiorenza · #**478** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 6:21 PM**

I guess that would give pause to the chitchat, but wouldn't the flight path be more over Buford Highway, Clairmont and South Buck? I'd imagine commercial jets out of PDK would have some altitude before they pass over the Buckhead Phipps area?

Andrea · #**479** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 6:50 PM**

They're pretty close, Fiorenza. Sometimes they get up there but a lot of times they'll rattle your teeth.

Dragonheart8588 · #**480** Posted **Aug 2, 2007, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by Andrea

They're pretty close, Fiorenza. Sometimes they get up there but a lot of times they'll rattle your teeth.

I used to live in Chamblee (5 years), walking distance to PDK airport. Is it weird of me to actually enjoy when the airplanes fly over my apartment? Guys, I'm serious. It's not that bad. Now, I live in East Cobb, I kinda miss it.