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Old Posted Jul 25, 2007, 3:44 PM
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I've never seen this before, looks like something out of Dubai.

Lets keep an eye out for this project for updates in the future.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2007, 4:10 PM
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This is a really interesting proposal. This is a great location for a tower like this.
This might be a great location from a skyline perspective, but it's one of the worst locations in the city from a pedestrian perspective, and would be a horrible, horrible location for a hotel. The south end of the property sits at the mouth of the 3rd Street tunnel, the west and north end of the property are not only a one-way ramp for Flower street, but have a grade change of about 85 ft. Both of these sides face horrible pedestrian experiences. The only side that is at all pedestrian friendly is the Hope Street side (the east), but that faces the back of the Wells Fargo center, which is horribly pedestrian unfriendly. The Hope Street side of the new building would most likely be marred by the car entrances for the hotel and the office uses, since those entrances could not go on the south, west or north sides due to accessibility constraints.

Might as well put the tower in the middle of a circular freeway onramp. Anyone who thinks this is real - meaning thinks a large office tenant would relocate there or a hotel would be willing to lease this space - hasn't walked around the site. This is most likely a study or a vision.

On a happy note, I saw lights on the third floor of the Pan American building last night. So either move-ins have started, or someone was throwing a rather small, unpermitted rave.
     
     
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This thing strikes me as some sort of student project or something. Just don't buy this at all. Fugly towers, too. The other tower makes no sense, rip out that newish tower at the Biltmore? Join the tops of the Arco twins? —?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2007, 11:42 PM
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I think the One Lucus and the corner that has the sold sign on it (The whole block was bought by someone). Said they would put a skyscraper on 1 lucus and the rest would be 5-8 stories of mixed use/retail... I'm just going off my memory.
     
     
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I think the One Lucus and the corner that has the sold sign on it (The whole block was bought by someone). Said they would put a skyscraper on 1 lucus and the rest would be 5-8 stories of mixed use/retail... I'm just going off my memory.
I hope so! You live in City West so you realize that block is priority #1 for development in our neighborhood. Remembering Lucas One in the Downtown News months ago, it was only a 7 story mixed-use condo project. I was under the impression the block would be developed in piecemeal. Either way, projects on this block will finally help fill some long empty retail spaces along this stretch of 7th.
     
     
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Mercifully, those crappy 10 dollar a night motels are going to be destroyed. And does anyone have a rendering of One Lucas?
     
     
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from the Hollywood Reporter...

Real estate: Developing downtown for residential use

By Rebecca Ascher-Walsh

July 13, 2007
The most-filmed location in Los Angeles this year wasn't the dramatic Pacific coastline or the bustling boardwalk in Venice -- or even the mansions of Beverly Hills. Instead, it was the burgeoning landscape of downtown, an area that, much to the joy of its developers, no longer resembles something out of 1980's "Mad Max."

In fact, it's quite the opposite. Billions of dollars and nearly a decade of improvements later, Los Angeles is finally getting a cityscape that will allow it to compete with the country's most elite, pedestrian-friendly urban centers. "We have the most-filmed corner in the world, which is Fourth and Main (Streets)," developer Tom Gilmore of Gilmore Associates says, "because after all this time, we can look like we're anywhere in the world. In (Sony's) 'Spider-Man 3,' we even pass for New York."

If Gilmore sounds like a proud parent, he's got reason to be: As one of the original developers who threw himself into downtown's adaptive reuse movement, he found himself the subject of scorn in 1999 when he converted the 1906 San Fernando Building into 230 residential units. But aided by an adaptive reuse bill meant to promote such projects and encouraged by the construction of the Staples Center in 1999 and the Walt Disney Music Hall in 2003, Gilmore continued to invest in the area. Today, he owns much of the neighborhood, including the Regent Theatre and Saint Vibiana's Cathedral, built in 1876 and currently being reimagined as a performance, residential and retail space.

Another original builder, Linear City partner Len Hill, also struggled when he began adapting the 1924 Toy Factory building into lofts that would become one of downtown's signature residences and an epicenter of the denim industry. "When I bought the Toy Factory, everyone thought I was crazy. We were told there was too much housing, and we would oversaturate the building market," he remembers. Hill persevered, borrowed $7 million from banks when private investors turned him down, and within 30 days of its completion in 2004, had sold every unit in the building.

As Gilmore says, describing the journey he and his colleagues have made over the last decade, "Now, I'm a visionary. But the difference between being an — and a visionary is a dollar sign. I'm as stupid as I was then, but now I have money."

The loft owners who bought downtown's first residences are feeling equally flush. Apartments in the Toy Factory, which boasts a rooftop pool and a lower-level garden, originally sold for about $300 a square foot, or $300,000 for a 1,000-square-foot loft. Now, the same apartment sells for $510,000. In another Linear City building, the new Biscuit Co. Lofts conversion, prices run closer to $530 a square foot, while one of the penthouses, which has several thousand feet of private outdoor space, is on the market for $4.8 million.

Far from being oversaturated, the market in downtown continues to grow, aided by its unique ability to offer dual work-live spaces and by an influx of new inhabitants to the city. Gilmore's properties alone have been at 100% occupancy for the last four years. As Hill says, "There were 40,000 new residents in L.A. city last year and only 10,000 housing units built. And that makes a continued demand for housing."

Developers are responding en masse: According to Carol Schatz, president and CEO of the Downtown Center Business Improvement District, "Since the beginning of 1999, when the boom started, we have built 8,200 new units, and we currently have anothzer 8,100 under construction. Additionally, there are another 1,700 with permits and still another 5,800 in the pipeline."

So, who's moving in? Pro Listing Realty Group's Reuben Pacheco, who specializes in the downtown market, cites a recent study that determined residents have a median income of a little less than $100,000, with 80%% possessing college degrees. According to John Given, senior vp development at the CIM Group, which is involved in the development of nine downtown residences including the Flower Street and Gas Company Lofts as well as a new building on Ninth and Hope, the age of the population runs the gamut. "It's younger households entering the market," he says, "but it's also empty nesters scaling down. It's heavily driven by baby boomers who are in their active-adult stage."

Schatz says that downtown also is beginning to draw nuclear families with small children, "Although we're wondering whether or not we can ultimately keep them," she admits. "But that's a question for another day."

What does downtown's population have in common? A desire to ditch their cars. "There's a growing appreciation for living in dense, mixed-use environments," Given says. "The movement is about people fundamentally enjoying urban housing and having places they can walk to. They're looking for places where a critical mass of people creates a way of living that includes convenience and amenities."

In the past, that meant that downtown's residents had to sacrifice a quality of outdoor living in favor of a cement sidewalk, but no longer: Developers are now focusing as intently on their plans for public spaces as they are on the schematics for the lofts themselves. While there's no direct financial benefit in the form of city funding, developers are embracing the idea that the more green they can offer people, the better for everyone. When it came to outdoor planning, Schatz says, "We simply asked developers to think about how a building related to the street, and we said to them, 'You have a hand in building your projects so they can either help downtown or hurt it.'"

Needless to say, developers, who have millions of dollars at stake, are choosing the former. "We really believe in what we call emerging neighborhoods," says Kate Bartolo, senior vp development at the Kor Group, whose myriad downtown projects include a $52 million conversion of Pegasus apartments on Flower Street; the vintage Eastern Columbia building, Los Angeles' finest example of the art deco era's zigzag modern style; and the Barker Block, a group of seven 100-year-old buildings that are being converted into a loft community. "But," she continues, "it's also a social responsibility. When you come into an area like downtown, you're not trying to recreate a neighborhood as much as you're trying to fit within it. You need to bring in service, retail and amenities. You want people to come out of their homes and into the street to mix because that's what makes a neighborhood: pedestrian activity."

The majority of downtown's residential buildings have outdoor pools with sweeping vistas; at the new 1100 Wilshire, the tallest residence in the area (and home to contestants on the NBC summer reality series "Age of Love"), the pool area also has private cabanas and a barbecue pit. At the Medallion, which will break ground later this year, the plans for the block-long building include multiple outdoor spaces intended to draw residents out of their apartments. "I'm really excited about the public gathering spaces, which in L.A. are generally parking lots," muses architect Andrew Cox, a partner with Milofsky Michali & Cox, the firm behind the project. The Medallion will include a two-level plaza and a grass roof about the size of Venice's Piazza San Marco. "We're definitely encouraging socializing," Cox says.

That's good news to Cedd Moses, a nightclub and restaurant developer and owner and president of the company 213 Ventures. "I'm the person doing the nightlife downtown," he says. "The people moving downtown are entrepreneurial, with a lot moving from New York and San Francisco, and they go out to socialize."

In the last six years, Moses has bought and renovated Golden Gopher, which first opened in 1905 and is the only Los Angeles bar licensed to sell liquor to go, as well as the Broadway Bar next to the Orpheum Theatre, Pete's Cafe & Bar and 7 Grand, which has the largest selection of whiskey on the West Coast. Moses also has plans for several more restaurants and bars, including Doheny, a private club that will open later this year. The club, which will offer a smoking patio, high-end cocktails and concierge service, will cost $3,000 a year for individuals and $10,000 a year for corporations; 10% of the dues will be funneled back into charities that support downtown.

The area's coffers are already well-lined thanks to property taxes that Schatz estimates provide downtown with $70 million every five years. Two-thirds of that, she says, is earmarked for funding a private patrol that works as "the eyes and ears" of the police and for paying cleanup crews. "You can't attract investors to a place that is perceived as unsafe or unclean," she explains. The remaining third of the budget is dedicated to encouraging economic development.

Not that all is perfect in downtown, which even the developers readily admit. "Right now, we've got probably eight or nine good clubs and 10 or 20 good restaurants," says Gilmore, who is partnering with Moses on several projects. "But we're the second-largest city in America, so we should have a lot more than that."

Adds Pacheco: "Shops aren't going in fast enough at all. There's going to be a branch of Ralph's opening at the end of the year, but that will be the only food market downtown where you can park and shop for your gourmet foods as well as groceries."

Those missing links might change dramatically as early as this fall, when ground is broken on the Grand Avenue project, a $2 billion development designed by Frank Gehry. According to Nelson Rising, chairman of the Grand Avenue Committee Inc., a nonprofit organization that is overseeing the project, the first phase is a 50-story building that will house a Mandarin Oriental hotel as well as 250 condo units and 250,000 square feet of retail space. The plans for the project also include a 16-acre park that will stretch from City Hall to the Music Center.

Far from making competing developers nervous, the prospect of the increased foot traffic and amenities that the Grand Avenue project will offer bolsters their confidence. As Hill, a former producer, says, "When I was in the movie business, when someone picked up a movie, my heart broke a bit because that meant there was one less for me. That's not true in development. You want a neighborhood of successful projects."

And unlike in many cities, developers say the success of downtown is beneficial to all its residents, past and future. "This isn't gentrification like in Chicago or New York," Hill says. "We're not moving out the poor people and putting in the rich. We're taking derelict warehouses and unused spaces and bringing them back to life. It's a net win for L.A."

Adds Schatz: "With the projects that are done or will be done by 2007, we have created 57,000 full-time jobs. We have created $28.5 million in city tax revenue, and that doesn't even include the shops."

With downtown finally coming into its own, developers acknowledge that not long from now, their work will be done. "We'll probably do another $200 million-$300 million of development over the next five years," Gilmore says of his company, "and then, well, then I'll get a street named after me and call it a day."

In the meantime, the growth continues, with resounding applause from the city. "It's the most fabulous thing that L.A. has ever seen," Schatz says. "Sure, we have some great things here, but you can't define a city by a beach, two theme parks and the Hollywood sign. Think about Manhattan, Paris and London," she says. "That's what we're creating.
     
     
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It looks like dog — with a spire. And what's that big thing next to Gas Company?
Its an addition to the Millennium Biltmore Hotel. This project is PROBABLY dead or outdated. The Biltmore hotel did add an office addition, but this was back in 1987, exactly when the The Gas Company Tower and US Bank Tower where on the boards, as they where one construction project, Library Square. That could have been the 3rd Tower. Another thing you'll notice is that theres no Disney Hall on the left.

This proposal could have been as old as 1985.

I looked up the site, and I found some more (I'm guessing )1980's proposals. Some of them real cool!

55 Floor Biltmore Millennium Tower (Today the Biltmore Office Addition), check out the Park5th site.


Heres another render, the Park5th site, wow! Those are some tall towers! I kinda like them!


Aparantly, the CityNational Bank Towers where supposed to be joined, wow.

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At 6:30 in the morning this woke me up.

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^ There goes the neighborhood.
     
     
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At the Medallion, which will break ground later this year

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I don't know why so many of these projs end up being a test of patience. First off, the devlpr did not breakground 2 sundays ago as stated in the DT News, but started work a few days later. And then that activity involved not much more than the removal of a small square of asphalt, with almost none of the parking lot closed off.

Now almost 2 wks later, the big billboard is being removed. But is that just the sign going away & not the whole structure itself?! IOW, will a new billboard for dandruff shampoo or denture cream be slotted up there soon? Unfortunately, maybe it will be if the Hollywood reporter article is correct about the Medallion not being underway until later this yr.

     
     
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Today, there was a large crane putting up something at the Concerto site.

You can see it in Camera 2 on the L A Live webcam.
     
     
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Today, there was a large crane putting up something at the Concerto site.

You can see it in Camera 2 on the L A Live webcam.
I believe that crane is being used to remove a crane from the L.A. Live site- one of the cranes for the building on the right in camera 1 is gone.
     
     
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I believe that crane is being used to remove a crane from the L.A. Live site- one of the cranes for the building on the right in camera 1 is gone.
From my view at Sky, there was a large crane working that was parked on flower / 9th that looked like it was extended over the Concerto site. I forgot to drive by on my way to work so I will have to see what it was doing tonight. I'm not talking about the new cranes on Figeuroa helping at LA Live though it was the same kind of crane. The one at Concerto seems to be busy so it's not in every capture at the webcam/camera 2. If you check again you should see it there right in front of Sky to the left of Hanover.
     
     
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What's that truck with the red boom on Camera 2?
     
     
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For those ppl, inc forumers, who want to know when new towers, other than the ones for condos or apts, will start going up in the hood, here's a part of the answer:


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Office vacancies in Los Angeles County continued to shrink during the second quarter as white-collar businesses expanded at a slow, steady rate, according to data released Wednesday. The county's overall vacancy rate was 9.2% in the second quarter, down from 11% a year earlier. Average asking rents rose 14% to $2.53 per square foot per month.

Historically, it has been common for developers to start putting up new buildings when vacancy falls below 10%, but construction costs have climbed a great deal in recent years. Although rents are rising, they are not high enough in most parts of Southern California to justify the cost of new buildings, Vargas said.

Westside landlords are so far holding to their new higher rent demands, Sullivan said, but they may be forced to blink if large tenants start to leave the area in favor of cheaper districts such as the South Bay, Wilshire Center and downtown Los Angeles.

Downtown L.A., the second-largest office market after the Westside, saw a modest improvement for landlords as vacancy fell from 16.3% a year earlier to 15.5% and rents climbed from $2.41 per square foot to $2.65.

Sampling of vacancy rates, rents in second quarter

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8.8 2.04

L.A.'s Westside
6.9 3.53

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6.7 2.06

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5.7 3.03

North L.A. County
5.3 2.39

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From my view at Sky, there was a large crane working that was parked on flower / 9th that looked like it was extended over the Concerto site. I forgot to drive by on my way to work so I will have to see what it was doing tonight. I'm not talking about the new cranes on Figeuroa helping at LA Live though it was the same kind of crane. The one at Concerto seems to be busy so it's not in every capture at the webcam/camera 2. If you check again you should see it there right in front of Sky to the left of Hanover.
My mistake, I see it now behind the hotel Fig.
     
     
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Now almost 2 wks later, the big billboard is being removed. But is that just the sign going away & not the whole structure itself?! IOW, will a new billboard for dandruff shampoo or denture cream be slotted up there soon?
I actually did some research on billboards a few months ago. According to City code, any billboard outside of a few outdoor advertising zones around Staples Center and Hollywood, is technically against code as it stands. Effectively this makes it so that no new billboards can be put up or altered within City limits. Since the structure of this billboard has been altered, it has to come down. This info comes from the LA Real Estate divisions of both Clear Channel and CBS Outdoor, the two biggies in the outdoor ad business.
     
     
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Zaya Younan wants to build the world's tallest building — in Los Angeles, Houston or Chicago.


Towering ambition



July 26, 2007
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BY DAVID ROEDER - [email protected]


Zaya Younan is not crazy. Since starting a real estate business in 2002, he has become one of the largest office landlords in Texas, and accumulated property worth about $1.5 billion, claiming strong and steady returns for investors.

Now he wants to build the world's tallest building. He wants it in Chicago, Los Angeles or Houston. He wants it for the glory of the United States of America, and to take advantage of long-term trends that he said will lead to more vertical living in major cities.


full article: http://www.suntimes.com/business/484603,CST-FIN-younan26.article
     
     
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I hope chicago or Houston gets it, in order for a building to be the tallest, it would have to be REALLY tall (more than twice as tall as library tower) and that would look like an atrocity within our skyline.
     
     
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