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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 4:44 PM
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Good thing I've never seen that sign board before. That's like a carrot hanging at the end of a stick, certainly when the proj isn't living up to it original time schedule. Having to wonder about groundbreaking on another special non profit type of proj, the proposed FIDM dorm bldg next to the Hanover, is more than enough of a patience buster right now.
The space the FIDM Dorm will go on is being used as a construction staging ground for Hanover Tower. It's hard to build there when the space is in use. When they finish with Hanover, they should be able to start. Patience, young Padowan...
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 4:59 PM
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Finding your space? Might be tough here
L.A. considers building apartments as small as 250 square feet. Critics say this isn't New York.

By Sharon Bernstein, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
10:07 PM PDT, July 23, 2007

Is Los Angeles ready for the 250-square-foot apartment?

That's what city planning officials have in mind with a series of sweeping new zoning proposals that would allow developers to build smaller condos and apartments than ever before.

The tiny units — studios that officials hope will be as small as 250 square feet — are part of a package of proposed zoning changes aimed at significantly increasing density in downtown L.A. The rules would apply to the roughly five miles around downtown but could eventually be extended elsewhere in the city.

The idea is to encourage developers to continue to build high-rises downtown even as the market appears poised to slow down — while also spurring them to build units that are more affordable. Supporters — who include the city's top planning officials, some developers and Councilwoman Jan Perry, whose district includes downtown — say the rules will encourage the construction of housing at a time when the city desperately needs it.

"This is a landmark event," said Dan Rosenfeld, a principal in the development firm Urban Partners, which is behind several downtown projects. "The people who care about downtown L.A. have been waiting for these ordinances for a long time."

But the proposal — slated to come before the City Council next week — is already drawing criticism from those who see it as another effort to boost development in a region that is already in a high-rise building boom stretching from downtown through Koreatown and into Century City, Westwood and Marina del Rey.

Some land-use experts question whether there is much of a market for tiny apartments in downtown L.A., which, despite its recent resurgence, still lacks the cachet of Manhattan, central London or Paris. Others fear overcrowding and slum conditions if the market goes sour and the units are too densely packed.

"I see it as creating a neighborhood where parking is horrendous and families are squeezing themselves into these units which are very small because they are affordable," said Noreen McClendon, a developer of affordable housing. "It's just a tenement."

The tiny apartment is a fairly new concept in Southern California, which has a long history of suburban sprawl and larger spaces.

But in New York, Boston, San Francisco and many European and Asian cities, residents have squeezed into tiny apartments for decades, usually because the lure of the downtown area is so great — and the prices for larger places so high.

Gretchen Broussard, who co-owns Tiny Living, a Manhattan store that sells furnishings for small spaces, lived in a 200-square-foot apartment in that New York borough until five years ago.

"I couldn't even turn around in the space," Broussard said. "I maxed out every inch of the wall space, mounted everything to get it off the floor.... Every New Yorker is continually purging stuff because they don't have room."

In San Francisco, Martin Eng rents a 300-square-foot studio in the swanky Nob Hill neighborhood, across from the Ritz-Carlton hotel. Though Eng has several other homes around the state, the apartment is his primary residence — and he said it's livable only because it has a good view and plenty of light.

With a rent-controlled cost of $400 a month — below the market rate — the studio is a convenient city crash pad for Eng, 53, who works in investment.

"Mine is a tiny place, not somewhere you would want to entertain or bring people," Eng said. "It's like a poor man penthouse — you can't really be proud of it."

Although the new L.A. ordinance does not directly address the size of the apartments that could be built, it would remove all restrictions on the number of units that developers could put in a single building, a move that planners hope will result in residences as small as 250 square feet — about the size of a hotel room or a modest living room.

The ordinance would also let developers willing to reserve some apartments for low- and moderate-income families to make their buildings 35% bigger than zoning rules normally allow and to opt out of providing half the open space typically required. Those who build units for those with very low incomes would not have to offer parking spaces for those residences.

Perry said the proposed rules would concentrate new housing downtown while preserving single-family homes elsewhere.

The smallest units, Perry said, might be attractive to young professionals who want to buy a condo but can't afford anything larger, or to service workers who couldn't otherwise afford to buy or rent near their downtown jobs.

Burbank architect Mark Gangi, who also teaches at USC, said the rules could help mold downtown into a lively metropolitan center.

The new apartments might be used by those who need an affordable place to live, he said, but they might also become pieds-à-terre for professionals and others who want a modest place where they can stay overnight if they are working or seeing a show or ballgame.

But others are more skeptical about how tiny units would fare in Los Angeles.

Raphael Bostic, associate director of the Lusk Center for Real Estate at USC, said developers might take advantage of the city's offer to let them build affordable units without parking spaces, because the cost of such parking can be prohibitive. "Only the most adventurous would do the very small units," he said.

Jeff Lee, a developer active in the downtown area, said he was doubtful there'd be a market for 250-square-foot apartments or condos. "That wouldn't be much more than a bathroom and 10-by-10 bedroom," said Lee, who built the Market Lofts downtown.

Jane Blumenfeld, L.A.'s principal city planner, said that in cities like New York and San Francisco, people live happily in tiny apartments and condominiums.

But Joel Kotkin, an urban affairs expert, questioned whether such units would help the city's goal of creating a feeling of community downtown.

"You're creating tiny spaces that people live in for short periods of time," Kotkin said.

L.A.'s downtown is still not desirable enough to entice well-heeled purchasers to buy or rent a studio when they can live in a larger place elsewhere, Kotkin said.

"They say that in New York and San Francisco people live [in small apartments] a long time. Well, downtown L.A., you're not New York and you're not San Francisco."

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Times staff writer Tiffany Hsu contributed to this report.
What's wrong with trying to develop housing like New York, San Francisco, etc...? I bet these critics don't live or frequent the downtown market. They're concern is always traffic related, which is a good talking point for anti-development. Whatever, the City Council has its head on straight and DOWNTOWNERS SUPPORT THIS, so it would work. Did I see no parking requirements for some of these units? F'yeah!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 6:08 PM
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Exactly, this isn't New York City, this is Los Angeles.
So if Miami and Las Vegas decide to make small rooms in THEIR buildings, why not say THEY arn't like New York City?
Many major citys have destinies to become crammed roomed High-Rise metropolises.
In other words, New York City shouldn't be the only city to build up and have smaller apartments within them
LA is already like SF, Boston, NYC, and other expensive cities in that many young people (and even older) share apartments because rents are high. I say let them build it. Let the market decide if the demand is there. My guess is that it will be very popular with younger people. Joel Kotkin is right that it will be transitional housing, but quality transitional housing for peole that don't make 6 figures is lacking in downtown and most of LA.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 6:12 PM
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Sorry, I've been bogged down with work for the past few days. I haven't even been able to update my blog! I'll definitely get to it either this evening or tomorrow though. I didn't take very many, so GatorBitch's photos are sufficient for the time being. hehe.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 6:18 PM
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I'd swear the mandel & the next door Brockman have been the slowest moving projs in the history of the hood, maybe the world. Still no web site for the Mandel that I'm aware of. It had one posted for about 2 yrs or so, but that was taken down some time ago.
I think the slowest award should be given to the Spring/Broadway Arcade project, that project (to me) has been the slowest!!!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 9:49 PM
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I think the slowest award should be given to the Spring/Broadway Arcade project, that project (to me) has been the slowest!!!
I don't know if they're working on that one consistently. To me that's almost like that one project in the building with Anthony Quinn. They say that they're doing something, but there's no evidence that they are.

The Brockman and Mandel projects have had at least a few workers in there the entire time. They are obviously understaffed which to me means that the cash flow for those projects is limited. The Brockman looks to be turning out well, it's just taking forever. IIRC that is the only project that was on the original downtown housing tour that isn't completed. People have been living in the other ones (sky lofts, elleven, pacific electric, etc.) for a while.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 10:14 PM
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The Flugelmann Tower

I've never heard of this, and not sure if it is a serious project... anyone have any additional information???



The Flugelmann Tower
Los Angles, California

Located on Bunker Hill at Third and Hope, this mixed use tower consists of a 250 suite hotel, 100 condominium residences and 1,000,000 sf of office space. At the base is an additional 75,000 sf of retail and user amenities.

The tower, at 82 stories, would be the tallest west of Chicago . Its geometry has been conceived to resist all lateral forces. Materials are limestone, metal, and glass. Atrium sky lobbies occur at the 27 th and 54 th floor, and on the 82 nd floor is Flugelmann's Gallery/Bar (you can see China on a clear day!).
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 10:39 PM
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Great find LAMetroGuy. Not a fan of that design though and it looks like something out of Dubai. But Zen, Park Fifth, Titan Towers and now this. Why do developers keep insisting on 50+ story towers when all odds bet that they won't pencil out, at least not in the next 3-5 years?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2007, 10:45 PM
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Honestly, I have no idea... but they must know something we don't??? My guess is that a project like this, which includes commercial, residential and hospitality might pencil out due to the risk of one of the aspects of the project being mitigated by the other???

Ohhh, and welcome to the boards!!!
     
     
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And it has a spire. That will be unique to the LA skyline.

Is that allowed?
     
     
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Considering the misspelled "Los Angles" and the remark about seeing China on a clear day, I'd say it's fake. Although it does look real.
     
     
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It looks like dog — with a spire. And what's that big thing next to Gas Company?
     
     
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Considering the misspelled "Los Angles" and the remark about seeing China on a clear day, I'd say it's fake. Although it does look real.
I agree, but the firm responsible for this appears to be reputable-
http://www.landaupartnership.com/
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2007, 12:39 AM
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Re: Flugelmann

I echo ThreeHundred: what's that next to The Gas Co?

I'll add: Why are the Arco Towers - sorry, Bank of America/Paul Hastings - connected at the top? And what's that peeking out at the bottom, just left of center, that looks sort of like the top of a Seattle Space Needle?

This model raises more questions than it answers.

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I agree, but the firm responsible for this appears to be reputable-

That company appears to be the architects or designers, whose role in a proposal is on the bottom of the barrel when it comes to determining how viable a proj is for getting funding & actual approval. While it makes for a good time seeing drawings & models for some of these projs, & guessing how tall they'll be, or whether their design will be one way or the other, it ultimately comes down to how well space for condos, apts, offices & stores is selling or leasing in the hood.

When even projs like the glass tower & the South Pk Group's 4th tower are in a holding pattern right now, & when Titan's towers may be caught in dreamland, the only thing I can handle right now are specific info of how well space for condos, apts, offfices & stores is selling or leasing.

that's why I wish fridayinla could have said he visited the sales office of the Market lofts proj a few days ago & was told almost 90% of their condos had been sold.
     
     
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what an odd design. It would be nice if it was more simplified...like a right-triangle (with some design element to break it up)
     
     
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from the LABJ, here are some snippets.

the property next to Good Samaritan had 12 bidders and the buyer was Holland Partners who bought it for 45 million or $252 a foot. The project is going to be a mixed use project which will include market rate, affordable and workforce housing, and at least 40,000 sq feet of commercial space. The parcel lacks entitlements.

Concerto in Full

Astani has secured new funding and his own success in Downtown LA has bolstered his decision to build the project as originally envisioned. He is also quoted " we were able to sign contracts with various vendors". Also says that Vero sold out in 90 days.
     
     
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This is a really interesting proposal. This is a great location for a tower like this. It would really help connect the financial core to the (BP Tower) to the Grand Avenue Project and Bunker Hill. It would also really build on Grand Avenue.

Also, I think the one next to the Gas Company Tower is the proposal to expand the Biltmore Tower. It is also listed on that architect's website.
     
     
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the property next to Good Samaritan had 12 bidders and the buyer was Holland Partners who bought it for 45 million or $252 a foot. The project is going to be a mixed use project which will include market rate, affordable and workforce housing, and at least 40,000 sq feet of commercial space. The parcel lacks entitlements.
I was just wondering last week what was happening with that land deal. Thanks for the scoop.

In other City West news, the ugly, old single story retail building on the NW of 7th & Bixel (across from Medici and Glo) has a new "SOLD" sign on it! The property has been mostly vacant. The surface lots on the north side of this block are where the 1110 Ingraham tower is proposed. I wonder if that was part of the purchase?

     
     
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Welcome, PistolPetey. And thanks for pointing out those other oddities.

     
     
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