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Old Posted Jun 20, 2007, 4:37 PM
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i doubt without the galaxy downtown would become a ghost town. i dont really care that they built it, i am a supporter of the broadway though and it makes me mad that the galaxy took aways its audiences. at least its better than a parking lot.
     
     
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You guys don't know how good you have it. I wish we had a theatre multiplex downtown. There are so many spinoffs.
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well i think the galaxy is good but i also see how it it bad twenty years from now the galaxy will probally look like a dump but untill then im happy its there. and truely its your oopinion on the looks that that should be all that matters to you, your opinion
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well i think the galaxy is good but i also see how it it bad twenty years from now the galaxy will probally look like a dump but untill then im happy its there. and truely its your oopinion on the looks that that should be all that matters to you, your opinion
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well i think the galaxy is good but i also see how it it bad twenty years from now the galaxy will probally look like a dump but untill then im happy its there. and truely its your oopinion on the looks that that should be all that matters to you, your opinion
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IMO, the Galaxy (although as has been mentioned here many times, an architecturally ugly building) has been a good addition to downtown. I do believe some of the pubs have benefitted on 2nd Avenue from Galaxy traffic. What is missing, is other supporting service type businesses in the proximity. Hopefully the site south of the Galaxy along 2nd ave will see development soon with more restaurants, coffee shops and pubs. I think that area of 2nd Ave has great potential.

Without getting into the whole social issue of displacing disadvantaged people, it sure would be nice to see something done with the Capri and adjacent buildings. Even if they kept if for its current use, it would be great to see it given a facelift/clean up of sorts. The adjacent buildings also have some historic appeal, so hopefully we will see them 're-invented' rather then torn down. This would support an article I read in the Star Phoneix today describing creating a cultural "Crescent" which would encompass this area.

And one final point on the Galaxy 'hurting other theatres'. I believe this to be absolutely true, but at least city coucil has taken the steps to remove the unfairly applied amusement tax to the other theatres. Hopefully, this will help them achieve a better bottom line. I read with some interest a letter to the editor that suggested maybe the Roxy become a 'classic movie theatre' that shows old classic movies (i.e. Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz and perhaps more "recent" classics like Star Wars). I thought this was a great idea for this theatre to fit a special niche in the market.
     
     
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Last night on Global News there was a report about the KG, which has already been mentioned here. They said it would be a mix of retail space on the main floor, offices on the second (and third?) floors, and condos in the remainder of the building.

As for the site of the now-defunct Meridian on Broadway, the same report said there is a new plan for a five storey mixed-use building. Like the KG, it will have retail spaces on the main floor and condos above. While it might not be the impressive landmark that some people here were hoping for, I think it will probably fit in better with the Broadway streetscape. The smaller building should also keep construction costs down, while allaying the concerns of area residents. I doubt it will have any problems attracting tenants.
Any indication of a timeline for the Broadway building?
     
     
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well i think the galaxy is good but i also see how it it bad twenty years from now the galaxy will probally look like a dump but untill then im happy its there. and truely its your oopinion on the looks that that should be all that matters to you, your opinion
uts true, in 10-20 years there most likely wont be a need for massive theaters because no one will go to movies that much, but i guess for the time being it is ok.
     
     
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Bets the Galaxy isn't designed to last much more than 20 yrs. Look at Pacific Cinemas. That's a temporary building type. I do agree that it brings more people downtown. I'm glad the City stuck to their guns & forced them to build there or build nowhere. Next time they should try instill some design controls.
     
     
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The Crescent
Plan calls for city's historic core to be marketed as cultural centre
David Hutton, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, June 20, 2007

A development plan for a cultural corridor, dubbed "The Crescent," calls for the transformation of Saskatoon's historic core by marketing it as a creative hub, redeveloping older buildings, bringing in more riverfront events and improving ties with the university.

"Culture is very real," said Terry Scaddan, executive director of the Partnership, a downtown business group. "The only real branding we've had in the past was, 'We've been here a long time,' but people want something real, they want to experience festivals, events, galleries and theatres."

A $200,000 development strategy, which is a working draft in its final stages, was carried out by three consultants with backgrounds in city planning, retail and economic development on behalf of the three business improvement districts: Broadway, Riversdale and downtown. Funding was provided by the federal government's cultural capitals program.

The document will be used as a guide.

The three districts are now marketing themselves collectively as the Crescent, with the hope they can work together to bring in more commerce, tourism and development, create more traffic among the areas and fight off competition from big-box development in the city.

Together, the main roads of the three areas loosely form a crescent-shaped "C" on the map, which led to the name, Scaddan said. While the areas are working together on this project they will still maintain their distinctiveness.

"We want to promote the area as a whole while still keeping the identity of each area at the forefront," said Tammi Campbell, project co-ordinator for the Crescent.

The development plan includes six key strategies and a collection of ideas to attract people to the areas. The consultants visited Saskatoon for three days in February to take an inventory of what was here and brainstorm suggestions for change.

One of the marketing ideas outlined in the plan has the districts purchasing unclaimed bicycles from the annual police sale, painting them the colour designated for their area and allowing people to ride them for free between the three districts.

"It's worked in many other places," said Dan Carmody, the lead consultant. "It's about reducing that perceptual distance because in real terms to go across the river isn't that far. That psychological chasm that is the river valley needs to be closed."

The theme of the document is that Saskatoon will thrive by providing more opportunities for arts, culture and creativity. While resource-based economic booms have a history of busting, the consultants argue a creative corridor such as the Crescent would act as a sustainable resource.

To succeed the districts need to further capitalize on their thriving arts and cultural centres, they say.

The consultants point out that many of the cutting-edge centres are currently housed downtown and in Riversdale, where artists can afford space to work. These artist-run centres and non-profit organizations need to be promoted, they say.

"The centre of the city is a rich under-utilized gem," Scaddan said. "We want to bring back the local tourist who maybe hasn't been to the areas in awhile."
The consultants argue the new Farmers' Market will form the heart of the crescent, bringing people from across the city to an area they wouldn't regularly visit and creating more opportunities for commerce. They also call for more Jazz Festival stages in the Broadway and Riversdale areas and a signature annual event to "put skin on the bones of the Crescent skeleton."

One of the keys to becoming a creative hub is further integrating the "isolated" University of Saskatchewan with the rest of the city, the consultants argue. They call for a proposed university arts centre to be located in River Landing to help bridge the "town/gown" gap.

The plan also calls for "imaginative redevelopment" of "white elephant structures" such as the Barry Hotel, as well as the Adilman building, and the expansion of the Saskatchewan Native Theatre Company in Riversdale. They suggest an architectural firm could work with artists to renovate the Barry Hotel.
The consultants argue the Broadway area needs to initiate a planning process that looks at stricter design standards and a parking plan. They also note higher rents and a changing demographic may push Broadway to evolve from a "raucous drinking destination" into a more mature area with higher-end businesses. Attracting trendy stores such as those found on Calgary's 17th Avenue or Edmonton's Whyte Avenue is also recommended.

"It's definitely a concept and there are a lot of good ideas there," Scaddan said. "With a little luck it will take on a life of its own and become real."

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Keys to Building "The Crescent"


- More events along the river, including an annual event put on by the business districts.

- A stronger marketing strategy that focuses on the arts and cultural centres in the areas.

- More building around the Farmers' Market, the project with the greatest ability to transform the crescent.

- Stronger relationship between the U of S and the downtown area.

- More cultural leadership in the form of a crescent council that includes government, university and business people.

- A community-based development entity that would come up with creative development ideas.

^It's certainly true that the river acts as a "psychological chasm" that separates Broadway from Downtown/Riversdale. It is my sincere hope that these three districts working together to form "The Crescent" will succeed in bridging these areas to create one large dynamic and vibrant city core.

Also, as these consultants have pointed out, I too have always felt that integrating the University with the downtown and bridging the gap between these two significant areas would have great effects for downtown. But how do you do that? The consultants have suggested an arts centre. On a MUCH larger scale, what about the establishment of a downtown campus?

I certainly hope that "The Crescent" will be more than just matching streetscaping with banners telling you you're on "The Crescent." Each of the 3 areas has to have something unique to offer and pedestrian friendly linkage between the areas is a must. A related article in the SP today speaks of finalized plans for 19th St. street-scaping and measures that will be taken to improve the pedestrian environment along that street. It is paramount that 19th Street be improved as it is next to River Landing.

The consultants also speak of the need to re-develop old buildings such as the Barry Hotel and Adilman bldg. on 20th. In my mind, I can see the Barry being transformed into a mix of condos, artist spaces and retail. I wonder if the Adilman bldg. could be made suitable to house the Sask. Native Theatre Company?

On another note of what may be to come for downtown, a "high ranking" person involved with baseball in S'toon believes that a new feature stadium for Saskatoon is just a few years down the road. He expressed that a downtown location would be ideal... hey, that's nothing definite, but at least the movers and shakers are on the same page as us with the belief that a new baseball stadium should be downtown.
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South Downtown right priority
Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, June 20, 2007

For years, people who watched developments in Saskatoon's downtown referred to its south riverbank as a cancer.

Although there was a lot of optimism about the promise of this land, the reality was that death -- in the form of closing or failed businesses -- was widespread in the area.

Still, the south downtown development now underway is a long way from the vision set out in a plethora of reports and studies.

The Farmers' Market has moved onto the site and is already attracting large crowds, but the place still has a bit of a feel of a frontier development. The parking lot isn't completed and the town square that will be built on its east side is gravel and concrete pilings. Wooden paths have been set up so people can avoid walking in the mud and the former electrical branch office, which will be converted into an idea incubator, has yet to open.

On Saturday, drivers were struggling to find parking space and signs at the Farmers' Market remind people it is open on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Yet almost everyone walking through the market wore a smile -- particularly Mayor Don Atchison.

No wonder he is smiling. The transformation that is taking place during the past couple of years in the downtown and Riversdale is remarkable. In the 1980s this area looked more like an industrial wasteland.

The city has taken a lot of grief for the twisted road it took to develop this property, but it is clear from the excitement one can see exuding from people who walk through this area now that things are finally falling into place.

For this, credit must go to the last council, which decided to re-orientate the development from the north-south proposal of the old south downtown plans, which would have extended development along Second Avenue to the river, to the east-west development now under construction on both sides of the freeway.

With enterprise zones and housing incentive programs, the city has made living and setting up a business in this part of town much more attractive. (Now all it has to do is treat dog owners more fairly by allowing them to safely walk their dogs and get exercise in the riverbank parks.)

As Coun. Pat Lorje recently pointed out, the riverside walkway that has been built in the Phase 1 of the development, between the Traffic (Victoria) and Senator Sid Buckwold bridges, is world class. Along with the construction of the parks, the Persephone Theatre is beginning to take shape, 19th Street is being raised and underground infrastructure is being put in for the future development on the west side of the Buckwold bridge.

It's hard to believe that this is the same stretch of land that still can't catch a break when it comes to the major landmark developments.

The city began this year with the news that Ellen Remai, CEO of Remai Ventures Inc., was pulling out of a plan to build a major hotel/spa on part of the land that used to be occupied by the Gathercole centre. Skyrocketing construction costs had put such a squeeze on the project she couldn't see how it could make money.

Although the city received a number of phone calls from developers across the country interested in the area, when the deadline closed on Friday for formal expressions of interest, only two materialized.

As Chris Dekker, the project manager for this portion of the project, observed recently, all it takes is one proposal if it is good enough. But the difficulty in attracting a wide range of interested parties for what should be one of the most sought-after pieces of property in a city that is in the heat of an economic boom isn't encouraging.

It's a safe bet that these two proposals at least meet the minimum requirement to include street-level retail spaces, one or more restaurants and a public attraction or gathering place.

Given the real estate market in the city, there is a good chance the two proposals for the River Landing property will include condos. But there must be more than that.

Dekker couldn't say this week what else is included in those proposals, but he stressed they were strong bids. His difficulty will be that expectations are even stronger.

Still, there is no need for the city to be in a hurry to accept any bid it isn't satisfied with. As Dekker pointed out, the excitement over the success of this area isn't just rooted in bricks and mortar.

Consider the experience of Curtis Olson, who recently purchased and renovated a two-storey home on Avenue C South, close to the Farmers' Market. He renovated the home, put it on the market and over a weekend was able to get his asking price of $164,000. Having a home on this street sell for that much money was a dream just two years ago.

Last year, homes in the neighbourhoods of King George and Riversdale were hard to sell at any cost -- with an average cost of $86,000. This year they are hot, and selling at an average of $121,000.

The Galaxy Theatre is so successful in bringing people into the area that other cinemas across town are in trouble, while the city has been forced to reconsider its previous decision to charge them an amusement tax that the Galaxy gets returned to it.

And real estate development companies are looking not only at finishing the block where the Galaxy was built -- particularly with retail but also likely to include office space -- but they are looking with interest at the under-utilized land across Second Avenue.

After decades of waiting for something to happen, the city is finally in a position where, unless the proposals are strong enough, waiting is not such a bad idea.

^If the two proposals made to City Hall are indeed lacklustre, do we relax the criteria and open the gates for proposals again? do we just go with the best one? or do we let Parcel Y sit until we can get it figured out?
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Townhouse project on Avenue D. Does anyone know anything further about this?
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Haven't heard about this one before. Specs look interesting. However, are they serious with the asking price of $435,000?? I know we have a booming market, but that still surprises me for a property located on Ave D. Will be very interesting to see the interest in this one given the fairly high price.
     
     
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So is this next door to the T. Eaton Lofts?
     
     
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It looks pretty neat, the price is high but you can't really judge it on 2 pictures. The square feet lay out, material quality, location, engineering cost, and the technology will all be a role in the cost. But no matter what ill be happy because its not another one of those discount condos that saskatoon is building all over the city.
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so with the KG being bought, will meridian take of the tile? or will he leave it
     
     
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^ The news report I saw mentioned something about Meridian restoring the KG to its original beauty. That would mean tile removal to me. Who knows what things look like under there.

On another note, I believe at mondays council meeting they will discuss the TWO proposals for River Landing. Stupid Sasktel Max, I don't get council meetings.
     
     
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what channel is it on if you don't have maxx?
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St. Mary School may be demolished
Willowgrove next in line for new school; Idea to tear down Catholic school part of major redevelopment plan
Lori Coolican, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, June 21, 2007

City council took its first look Wednesday at the concept plan for one of the largest redevelopment projects ever undertaken in an established neighbourhood of Saskatoon.

A three-block swath of Pleasant Hill -- including Saskatoon's oldest Catholic elementary school -- will likely be torn down and reborn during the course of the next few years, council's executive committee heard at a meeting with managers from the city's community services branch.

"The purpose here is to add value to the neighbourhood, and to make people stand up and take notice," senior planner Alan Wallace told the committee before councillors voted unanimously to endorse the plan.

Developed with input from a variety of local stakeholders last winter, it assumes the aging building that houses St. Mary Community School will be demolished and supplanted by a new, much larger facility about a block to the east of the school's present location.

The Catholic school division is due for a capital investment from the province to replace the school, but the money has not yet been confirmed. School division officials say their five-year capital plan calls for construction of a new St. Mary Community School, but no final decision has been made about demolishing the old structure.

A dropoff point for school buses and cars would be created in front of the new school's entrance on Avenue N to prevent traffic congestion. The building would also contain space for a community centre, to be designed through public consultation with the core neighbourhood.

The concept plan also envisions the closure of portions of 19th Street West and Avenue O South, which would be replaced by two culs-de-sac -- one directly south of 20th Street at Avenue O, and one at the present intersection of Avenue O and 19th Street -- to provide access to other new developments at the revamped site.

Avenue O ends at the railway tracks south of the site anyway, and the relevant portion of 19th Street has never been paved, Wallace noted.

The other proposed new developments include three low-density, multi-unit housing groups of 12 homes each, plus one site for a medium-density apartment building of up to 30 units, and one site for high-density mixed uses, potentially for a seniors' tower with service and retail uses on the main floor along 20th Street.

The plan includes three acres of park space linked to the school grounds -- a 73 per cent increase in the amount of green space currently found in the area, says a report from civic administrators -- bounded by sound attenuation along the south edge to separate it from the adjacent railway tracks and west industrial zone.

Coun. Pat Lorje, whose ward includes the redevelopment site, can't wait for the changes to start happening after more than three years of discussions, planning and negotiation with the provincial and federal governments, who are contributing funds through Urban Development Agreements.

The project is not risk-free, but it could make a huge difference to the overall health of Pleasant Hill, she said.


^So what are people's opinions on the likely demo of St. Mary's School? Is it a valuable historic treasure for Saskatoon, or a pile of bricks ready for the wrecking ball?

I for one would hope that they explore any possibilities for re-use of the building.. as a community centre perhaps. I cant really think of anything else at the moment. This Pleasant Hill revitalization is great and it will put a lot of modern, good quality housing and services in this core neighborhood. But I hope that they can incorporate this element of the city's (and the neighborhood's) history into this project.
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