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Old Posted May 18, 2007, 7:42 PM
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I been talking about the corner of 3rd ave and 22nd street for a while now. Hope something happens there. It's a perfect spot!


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I think a 30 storey condo development would fit in just perfect on the corner of 22nd st and 3rd ave. This would get more people downtown at night.

I wonder if anything is being planned for the old Extra Foods site. It has been a whole year now. I hope it doesn't stay a parking lot for years to come. A nice condo development would look great there too.

I keep thinking about my recent trip to Toronto. They have a lot of condo construction going on right downtown (right along Younge and College). I know it's not fair to compare Saskatoon to Toronto, but putting up condos right in the city cente would really add to our downtown. It seems that most of the condo development always accurs in the north part of our downtown, but having a few towers right in the centre would really be awsome. There are plenty on empty parking lots (corner of 3rd ave and 22nd st, the old Extra foods site, corner of 2nd ave and 24th st, corner of 4th ave and 20th st, empty lot on 2nd ave beside the BMO,,...........etc). Maybe if we keep talking about it, some developers out there will think about it.

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Old Posted May 18, 2007, 7:46 PM
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I also put my vote for 22nd and 3rd.

A second option would be directly behind the Galaxy Theatre (19th and 2nd Ave). If Cameco's real objective is to be at Riverlanding, this would still provide their corporate office a prime(close to) river location with excellent views of Riverlanding and Persephone, while still leaving the direct riverfront land for destination(?) development.

By the way, I am not sure that Cameco's needs would necessarily result in a skyrise/tower. They need to accomodate approximately 400 employees (with allowances for future growth). This to me, does not sound like a 20 story building. Probably more like 8 to 10. Also, Cameco made it clear they are not going to build an office tower, so it will be up to a developer to build something that meets the needs of Cameco.

I understand this, but it is a bit disappointing, as I would have thought as a World Headquarters, Cameco might have been interested in building a true showpiece of architecture....guess not
     
     
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Old Posted May 22, 2007, 11:34 PM
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The city has officially put out it's call for River landing if anyone is still alive.

http://www.riverlanding.ca/project_update/phase1/urban_centre/index.html
     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2007, 4:33 AM
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Anyone know what's happening by the co-op on 8th? They're building something by the Budget/Staples out there.

And the former BK on 22nd? It's a newish building and it looks like they're bringing it down already.
     
     
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Old Posted May 23, 2007, 10:41 PM
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In the newspaper today there was a article on the new bride here it is:

A contrast in vision
Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix
Published: Wednesday, May 23, 2007
Thirty-five years ago, the newly elected mayor of Curitiba, in southern Brazil, was faced with a crisis.

The studies had been done, the experts consulted and the drawing completed, and he knew what had to be done. He also knew what the political ramifications would be if he acted on those reports, but Jaime Lerner had confidence in the experts. He wasn't only the city's new mayor, he was an architect and an urban planner and he believed in transforming the city into something special.

The plan he was considering called for the transformation of a half-dozen blocks in the city's downtown to be pedestrian friendly, where no cars were allowed. The businesspeople in that area were up in arms, threatening political retaliation if the mayor acted on the plans.


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Font: ****According to a story in Tuesday's New York Times, Lerner recalls asking his secretary of public works how much time it would take to complete the job.

"He said he needed four months," Lerner said. "I said, 'Forty eight hours.' He said, 'You're crazy.' I said, 'Yes, I'm crazy, but do it in 48 hours.' "

It actually took almost 72 hours, but over one weekend Curitiba took the first steps from being an unknown Third-World city to one that is renowned for its innovation and has a reputation as an economic powerhouse.

The transformation didn't come without controversy, however. A group composed mostly of businesspeople decided to protest the restriction to automobiles. They organized a drive-in, where they would ignore the rules and drive into the six-block pedestrian area and park in their former spots.

The city rounded up schoolchildren, provided them with donated newsprint and organized a paint-in counter-demonstration. The businesspeople knew they had been beat -- the kids proved the value of the area before they could invade it with their cars.

Not long after, those same businesspeople lobbied city hall to expand the pedestrian-friendly area (it is now more than twice its original size) and the paint-in has become an annual festival -- supported by the same businesspeople who now realize the financial value of providing that quality space.

Twenty years after Lerner's brave adventure, Saskatoon's council was told the city needed another bridge. It has been 15 years and rather than a bridge, all Saskatoon has to show for its numerous reports and debates is a price tag that has grown from a few tens of millions for the entire project to a likely cost of $300 million.

That's a high price to pay for sitting on the fence.

To be sure, the decision to go ahead would not have been an easy one. As soon as someone raised the idea of building a bridge, the naysayers began to pipe up. There are those who believe a north bridge is more valuable than a south -- this in spite of various traffic studies indicating otherwise. There are those who believed the course was wrong, the cost was too high and the support from other levels of government was too weak.

The bottom line was that doing nothing was always the most politically expedient path to take.
On Tuesday, councillors were presented with a report that set out in detail the cost of that political expediency. There will no doubt still be those opposed to going ahead with a $300-million mega project when it is clear neither the federal nor provincial governments are ready to do their share. And there will be some who still want the north route instead of the south, or who believe the current proposal can be scaled back to shave off a few bucks.

But this is a project that cannot be stalled anymore. During the past year, Saskatoon has gone through a nearly unprecedented growth streak and its already overstretched infrastructure is showing the strains.

The last time the city built a bridge, it cut what corners it could. A year after the Circle Drive Bridge opened in 1982, the city already realized it had to twin the roads leading up to it. Although it was expected to only handle some 40,000 cars a day before improvements were needed, Murray Totland, the head of the city's infrastructure services, predicts it is now handling some 70,000 while under construction to add an extra lane in each direction.

The temptation may be there for councillors to pare back on the south bridge proposal by delaying some of the connecting overpasses, or slimming down the bridge until it has to handle more traffic.

When it was thought the bridge could be in place by the middle of this decade, engineers predicted it would handle 27,000 vehicles a day almost from the day it opened. That pent-up demand is now at 40,000 vehicles and if the city and economy keep expanding the way they are, there is no saying how many cars will be crossing it by its expected opening in 2011.

There is also no telling what the cost will be of doing the extra work next decade. Three years ago, the city estimated the cost of five big-ticket projects -- including completing this portion of Circle Drive, expanding the police station, finishing the Mendel Art Gallery project, building a new downtown library and, the only project that saw the light of day, building an interchange at Circle and College drives -- would set taxpayers back $143 million.

That this one project is twice that amount is an indication of the cost of procrastination.

The city was warned it should borrow the money and consider partnerships with the private sector -- even consider a toll road -- if that's what it took to complete the work sooner rather than later. By not showing the leadership and courage of a Lerner and doing what had to be done, the strain on the taxpayers will be much heavier.

Let's hope the lesson has sunk in


also here is a plan


http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/municipal_engineering/river_crossings/Options_Nov24_2005.pdf
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Old Posted May 24, 2007, 12:22 AM
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That looks to be an interesting stretch on the west side, nice curves

For 143 million we get the college drive overpass, and for ~300 million we get a south bridge and a completed Circle Drive? I'm with Gerry Klein, get this done sooner rather than later.
     
     
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Old Posted May 24, 2007, 1:49 AM
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^You took the words right outta my mouth SASK. The city needs to get this done right the FIRST time. So they'd better get doing.
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Business park will replace McNab Park, agent says
Neighbourhood's owner denies sale, but city already anticipates redevelopment

Lana Haight
The StarPhoenix

Thursday, May 24, 2007

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Suzie Godefrey (left) and Sandra Sanderson and her mother, Loretta, moved to McNab Park in February, but the rumoured sale of the neighbourhood has them disappointed.


A residential neighbourhood near Saskatoon's airport has been sold and the land will be developed into a high-end business park, a commercial real estate agent says.

"The pizzazz of this whole development is that you don't have another piece of land like this in the city," said Gilbert Dobroskay of Guardian Commercial Real Estate.

"We're the only jurisdiction in North America that has an international airport but, we don't have a first-class campus-style business park development." An owner of McNab Park -- the land in question -- says he hasn't sold the property, but Dobroskay says the buyers' offer has been accepted and the deal should be finalized this summer.

McNab Park, with more than 100 rental units, including single-family and row houses, has long been identified by the City of Saskatoon as needing a makeover. The neighbourhood is the first and last impression air travellers have of the city, city planning manager Lorne Sully says.

"McNab Park has been a useful part of our residential housing stock over 50, going on 60, years. But going forward, we see the best use of that property as being the gateway to the city," he said.

Dobroskay says he is working with a group of local and out-of-province investors who made an offer to purchase the 50 acres that includes the McNab Park neighbourhood. While he wouldn't say how much the land sold for, he said owners Larry and Val Braun have accepted the offer.

"As it is right now, there is a group that has the property under contract," said Dobroskay.

"They've put a lot of serious cash into the deal. They've done a lot of work in trying to get the concept plan ready to go." But Larry Braun, who has owned McNab Park since 1998 and says he has owned it "long enough," denies the land has been sold.

"I've had people propose things at numerous times, at various times, that were frivolous," he said. "I've never negotiated with anyone." Dobroskay says the McNab Park concept plan will be ready to submit to city administrators within the next few weeks.

It could take months before it is approved by city council.

Work on the new sub-division won't start for at least a year and it could take another three to five years for the site to be fully developed.

In the meantime, the ownership group doesn't want to displace those who are renting homes in the area, says Dobroskay.

"You have to look at how you're going to re-locate the existing residential units there.

"You have to be sensitive to the people who are living there and find alternative locations for them to go. You're not just going to go in there and give them notice and start building." The value of the land, once it's redeveloped, is projected at $16.8 million.

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Seems to me the lesson of Curitiba is that restricting, rather than expanding, the use of automobiles is the progressive, forward thinking, economically wise thing to do. Then perhaps we wouldn't need a $300 million dollar freeway.
     
     
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Great. Another place other than downtown for the office market to expand in. Might as well, it's too expensive to build high rises here anyway.
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Great. Another place other than downtown for the office market to expand in. Might as well, it's too expensive to build high rises here anyway.

Exactly what I thought of. maybe someone downtown will have the smarts to x-nay this project.
     
     
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Exactly what I thought of. maybe someone downtown will have the smarts to x-nay this project.

But..but everyone else is doing it.

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"We're the only jurisdiction in North America that has an international airport but, we don't have a first-class campus-style business park development."
On the plus side, if it does got through and get developed I may one day see a passenger on the airport bus route. [/sacrcasm]
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What type of business would locate there anyway?
     
     
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"We're the only jurisdiction in North America that has an international airport but, we don't have a first-class campus-style business park development."
What, exactly, is that? I'm not sure what he's talking about.
     
     
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There's already a lot of stuff up that way. Vecima networks (formerly Vcom) and Areva are two big ones that come to mind.
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What, exactly, is that? I'm not sure what he's talking about.

By "business park", they mean lots of low rise box office buildings surrounded by acres of parking. Xanadu.
     
     
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By "business park", they mean lots of low rise box office buildings surrounded by acres of parking. Xanadu.
And they have these near every international airport in North America, except Saskatoon? I find that a little hard to believe...especially since I am completely unaware of anything like that in Regina. Mind you I don't go out near the airport a whole lot, so maybe I'm just uninformed?
     
     
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Seems to me the lesson of Curitiba is that restricting, rather than expanding, the use of automobiles is the progressive, forward thinking, economically wise thing to do. Then perhaps we wouldn't need a $300 million dollar freeway.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, I think the irony of the article using an example of decreasing car traffic to bolster an argument for faccilitating traffic flow will be lost on most SP readers. Much of Saskatoon's planning is based on what Calgary and Edmonton were doing 20 years ago (Stonegate would fit nicely on the outskirts of Calgary), and unfortunatley public thinking on issues like transit is mired in the same place. I think progressive planning is a bit of a chicken and egg thing, either public opinion or leadership needs to become more progressive and the other will follow suit. We don't seem to have any leaders with the vision or guts to lead rather than follow.
     
     
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