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Old Posted May 20, 2007, 4:20 PM
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Old Posted May 20, 2007, 6:03 PM
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^ Great, another concrete POS.

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It would take some crazy Post-Modern shit before I would prefer the parking garage to a new 36-story building.
You guys are totally missing my point.

I said quite clearly in my first post (#1127) that I do not care if the parking garage is demoed. I simply said that it's interesting and I wonder if it really was a Jahn design.

And spyguy, yes, I was absolutely involved in the Hotel LaSalle Garage issue. But let's not go there...
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2007, 6:08 PM
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Nothing really architecturally groundbreaking, just one of the ubiquitous 4-5 story jewelers' loft buildings (21 North Wabash). Solid, historic building (built in 1888 according to the city), but not landmark by any means.
Actually, off the top of my head, that building is a landmark in the Jewelers' Row District.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2007, 8:38 PM
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Irish see green in Chicago real estate

By Mary Umberger
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 20, 2007


The Irish are coming.

Actually, the Irish are here -- Irish investors who apparently have U.S. real estate on their minds and plenty of money to spend on it. Now some in the real estate community are banking on more of them taking a shine to Chicago.

"The wealth coming out of Ireland is mind-boggling," said Chicago real estate broker Sean Conlon, who was born in County Kildare. "And the Irish love to own real estate. It's pretty much the national sport."

Having established beachheads on the East Coast, Irish investors have turned their attention here, as evidenced most dramatically by Dublin developer Garrett Kelleher's plan to erect the Chicago Spire, a 150-story lakefront condominium tower.

Kelleher is hardly the first to eye trophy real estate here, however. Anglo Irish Bank Corp. this year financed the $93 million purchase of 625 N. Michigan Ave. by a syndicate of Irish investors. An Irish builder is putting up a 35-story condo building in the South Loop. Irish realty brokerages are partnering with U.S. developers to market high-rise condos while they're still on the drawing boards.

So far, most buyers are of the institutional stripe, typically buying blocks of condos or prominent commercial sites. But individuals, empowered by the thriving Irish economy, are starting to get noticed in the marketplace, some brokers say.

"They're certainly out there," said Catherine Steigmann, a broker for @Properties in Chicago who visited Dublin and Limerick last year to promote Lexington Park, a condo development that the Limerick-based Chieftain Group is putting up on the site of Al Capone's old hangout, the Lexington Hotel.

Steigmann said Irish investors have bought about 70 of the building's 333 units, with varying intentions.

"Some are going to use it as a second home; some are planning to send children to school here; some see it just as an investment opportunity for a few years. They'll rent it out and see how it goes," she said.

Castleroc Estates, a brokerage in Dublin, recently brought in buyers from Ireland who bought more than 20 units at Lincoln Park 2520, where the $850- to $1,300-a-square-foot prices put it in the top tier of new construction in Chicago.

John Murphy, principal of Ricker-Murphy Development, which is developing the building, initially presumed that the Castleroc clients were strictly investors.

"We did get some investors buying from the group, but we also had people buying much larger units for their own personal use -- second and third homes," Murphy said.

Dublin resident Gerry Danaher bought one of them, plus a unit at Century Tower in the Loop. Danaher, who once lived in Chicago, said he's toying with the idea of using one of the condos as a second home.

Apart from his affection for Chicago, he said he's buying here because Ireland's residential real estate market is slowing after a phenomenal run.

"There's not a lot left to go, in terms of capital appreciation," Danaher said. "Irish people are looking abroad. [Interest in Chicago] is a continued evolution for the investor looking overseas."

Real estate in general took off in Ireland about a decade ago after generous tax policies enticed major international corporations to set up shop there. Employment soared. Home sales boiled over.

"The Irish bought property with a vengeance," Conlon said. "Since the early 1990s, [residential] appreciation of 10 to 20 percent a year was pretty common, and more.

"Anyone who owned land 10 years ago got rich. People who bought [farmland] for $50,000 were selling it for $5 million."

Though the residential boom seems to be tapering off -- house prices in Ireland were flat in February for the first time in four years -- interest in commercial investment is thriving.

The nation of 4.3 million residents has $13.5 billion of commercial investment money looking for a home, according to a report by Clare Eriksson, a researcher for Jones Lang LaSalle in Dublin, who says investors have run out of places to buy locally.

Though they invested about $133 million in their own commercial market in just the first quarter of this year, the big money went abroad: Between January and March, Irish investors spent about $2.4 billion overseas, with the majority going to Britain and Germany, Jones Lang LaSalle said. Only 2.5 percent of the foreign property investment went into U.S. projects, by company estimates.

Conlon, who founded Chicago's Sussex & Reilly real estate brokerage, figures the timing is right for the Irish to begin directing more money here.

The softening U.S. home market represents an automatic exchange-rate incentive, with the euro recently hitting a two-year high against the dollar, he said.

He has launched a new joint venture with a Dublin-based property development company that will provide private-equity funding for real estate investment in America, particularly in Chicago, Conlon said. He is working on deals to sell 100 condos in two Chicago projects to Irish investors.

Conlon said it's Chicago's turn.

"[Irish property investment] happened in Florida first because historically the Irish vacationed there," he said. "Then it spread to places where there are big Irish populations, like Boston. New York is a particularly sexy investment, along with Barbados, because there's a big Irish population that winters down there.

"Chicago is kind of a Johnny-come-lately, but the Irish are realizing it's an international city," said Conlon, who maintains a home in Ireland. "The minute anybody visits here, they go, 'Wow.'
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This is from a recent 550 St. Clair advertisement in the Chicago Sun-Times. It may have been posted before, but I don't recall seeing it. It shows 550 St. Clair relative to its surroundings.
     
     
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Old Posted May 21, 2007, 1:47 AM
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This is from a recent 550 St. Clair advertisement in the Chicago Sun-Times. It may have been posted before, but I don't recall seeing it. It shows 550 St. Clair relative to its surroundings.
That's recent?

That's strange. It looks too wide, too short... and the windows look very different from what's shown on the display boards all over the construction site.

It could be that I'm not connecting the vantage point of this rendering correctly with my sidewalk vantage... but I..... I'm a little lost on this.

Either way... decent building and I'm happy to see it replace a worn down and smelly old parking garage, the more infill like this replacing garages or ESPECIALLY surface lots THE BETTER.
     
     
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Old Posted May 21, 2007, 3:10 AM
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I know it's really, really, hard to find one, but maybe we can find a silver lining to this -- that 3-story fire house building is a gem of an artifact to survive trampling by this developer. I don't know anything about it, other than once I had to stop my car to get out and gaze at it. It just felt like it was frozen in time. If only the parking podium was going to be a little contextually sensitive...
     
     
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Old Posted May 21, 2007, 3:22 AM
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That's recent?
It's from the May 11, 2007 Real Estate section. The ad states a late 2007 delivery and over 80% sold. I agree, 550 St. Clair does appear rather squat. In person, it looks more slender. Maybe they used an old rendering for the ad.
     
     
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JDL sucks - awful developer, design-wise. Their stuff looks like it's design-build. I put this firm up there with Sedgewick Properties for the ugliness of their architecture...
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Encouraging news. The best part is that they're looking to do a joint venture which means the proposal's financing wouldn't have to cover land aquisitition ( upwards of 100 mil ) ,and thus leads to the possibility that a greater stucture ( cost wise ) could be built.

Excellent point. One thing I think observers lose sight of when following development is that cost basis can vary wildly. A lot of that has to do with land costs. Some of the most successful developers (financially as well as how their product rates from a design perspective) really find a way to minimize their land costs...
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Has anybody heard anything regarding the delay of groundbreaking? It's a little surprising because they announced financing a couple months ago and even had an exact date for caisson work to begin (I think reported in the Tribune)...this was also some time in late March if memory serves...
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Am I the only one marginally pleased by hearing of this development? The stretch of Franklin along the L tracks is a disgraceful several blocks of ugly surface lots that need to be developed ASAP. The loud L necessitates that buildings right next to it will be hulking concrete structures to provide at least some noise insulation for residents. A parking podium in this location is justified for this reason, near street level is a lousy place for a housing unit. It fills in one more lot, and provides a couple hundred new residents to an area that needs more consistent density for cohesiveness. This is of an appropriate scale and design for its location, in my opinion.
     
     
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Am I the only one marginally pleased by hearing of this development? The stretch of Franklin along the L tracks is a disgraceful several blocks of ugly surface lots that need to be developed ASAP. The loud L necessitates that buildings right next to it will be hulking concrete structures to provide at least some noise insulation for residents. A parking podium in this location is justified for this reason, near street level is a lousy place for a housing unit. It fills in one more lot, and provides a couple hundred new residents to an area that needs more consistent density for cohesiveness. This is of an appropriate scale and design for its location, in my opinion.
Yeah, but this thing is shit ugly like all of JDL's projects. See Maple tower for another lovely JDL masterpiece. I always for increased density, especially along the L tracks, but we do not need ugly shit like this constructed and seen by thousands of passing commuters every day. Silver Tower and even the CMK project at Ontario and Franklin do a much better job with the parking podium than this. The only saving grace I give this project is that it replaces a surface lot, and I am hopping for some cheaper middle-market units, but then again knowing typical JDL I am sure these units won't be that cheap.



OH, and I figure some forumers would like to know the old Brach's candy plant is now being prepped for demolition. It has two very large 11 story concrete loft buildings and an office building with some very nice terra-cotta detailing that I believe was designed by Alfred Aschuluer. The office building is Orange rated. SO get out to Lake and Cicero with your cameras if you want to capture the plant before the structure starts coming down. And what makes this burn even worse, I believe the plant is being replaced with a suburban style trucking logistics center. UGH.
     
     
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1. True, Silver Tower is certainly much better while still working within the constraints of its site next to the L. As you say, it's also worth noting that we can't have every building be an Aqua or Trump; the quick'n'dirty concrete blobs are about as cheap as you could do a highrise here while still adhering to code, so it means relatively affordable new construction units (hopefully).

2. That's rather sad about the Brach's factory, there's a few real nice buildings in that complex. So much of the awesome industrial stock of the west side is long gone, and much of it would have been so prime for loft conversions. I suppose I take some solace, but not much, in the fact that at least the land won't sit vacant and will be on the city tax rolls (albeit paying into a TIF for a while, I'm sure)

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Yeah, but this thing is shit ugly like all of JDL's projects. See Maple tower for another lovely JDL masterpiece. I always for increased density, especially along the L tracks, but we do not need ugly shit like this constructed and seen by thousands of passing commuters every day. Silver Tower and even the CMK project at Ontario and Franklin do a much better job with the parking podium than this. The only saving grace I give this project is that it replaces a surface lot, and I am hopping for some cheaper middle-market units, but then again knowing typical JDL I am sure these units won't be that cheap.



OH, and I figure some forumers would like to know the old Brach's candy plant is now being prepped for demolition. It has two very large 11 story concrete loft buildings and an office building with some very nice terra-cotta detailing that I believe was designed by Alfred Aschuluer. The office building is Orange rated. SO get out to Lake and Cicero with your cameras if you want to capture the plant before the structure starts coming down. And what makes this burn even worse, I believe the plant is being replaced with a suburban style trucking logistics center. UGH.

As much as the trucking logistics center will probably have a crappy suburban design, we need that kind of stuff here in the city to maintain Chicago's status as the nation's leading transit hub.
     
     
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damn that JDL project is just HIDEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what happened to the city proposal or ordinance set forth about constructing better buildings and having better designs> I see it only works a 1/4 of the time!!!!!!!!!! Nice to know some things never change when it comes to the dollar!
     
     
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