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Old Posted May 15, 2007, 1:22 AM
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Just curious.. what do you all think is the best value for housing in Saskatoon? I'm thinking that Mayfair really has potential to appreciate a lot. Was in the area last week and I was blown away by how nice some of the housing actually is -- beautiful old Victorian style houses, most very nicely kept. Since the area is on the border edges of the 'bad areas', I think it hasn't reached its potential yet.

Also when looking on MLS, I'm seeing houses over in the Parkridge area that are selling for near $300 K. I'm not sure I'd want to live that far out on the west side, but a couple years ago you'd never have seen prices like that there.
It seems to me that Caswell Hill homes are a great value. The neighborhood is chalk full of character with nice tree-lined streets, boulevards and *hills*! This neighborhood has been improving for a few years now but I've come across several Caswell listings on the net of homes that are nicely renovated with lots of character but still below the city average. Caswell is definitely up and coming
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North Park ...

... is my vote for up & coming neighbourhood. For the past two years, there has to be at least 3-4 infill homes under construction at any given time. North Park Wilson School is getting a sorely needed new gymnasium plus some other renovation work. Close to downtown but not as pricey as City Park. And, although I don't subscribe to the theory, on the right side of Idylwyld for prices to climb.
     
     
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... is my vote for up & coming neighbourhood. For the past two years, there has to be at least 3-4 infill homes under construction at any given time. North Park Wilson School is getting a sorely needed new gymnasium plus some other renovation work. Close to downtown but not as pricey as City Park. And, although I don't subscribe to the theory, on the right side of Idylwyld for prices to climb.
I have some friends who bought a house in North Park a few years ago, and they seem pretty happy there. I'd say things are looking up for that neighbourhood.

I think that if the 25th Street extension gets built, and the Eaton warehouse lofts get going, Caswell Hill could see a renaissance of sorts. There are a lot of beautiful character homes, some with architectural features I've seen nowhere else in the city. I've also watched online as a lot of houses have been sold in Hudson Bay Park and Mayfair. Those three neighbourhoods, centered around 33rd Street, have a real potential for revival.

What I'm wondering is where all the low income families are going to live. It made the front page of the StarPhoenix yesterday. As housing prices have risen, the available housing stock for them has shrunk even more.
     
     
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Vive le Saskatoon libre
by Ken Alexander
Published in the June 2007 issue of The Walrus magazine

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“Paris of the Prairies” is an intriguing sobriquet for a town that began as a site for buffalo kills, became a temperance refuge, and is now situated in a province of declining population, but Saskatoon may yet live up to its own billing. The Paris tagline has been around for years, and the locals enjoy the cheek of a frontier town with modernist sensibilities — a small, cultured outpost, always under the radar. Not a government town, not a business town, Saskatoon sets its own pace, so treasuring its distinctiveness that while the rest of us spring forward, fall back, and obey the dictates of US President Bush vis-à-vis daylight saving time, Saskatonians never change their clocks.

“Winnipeg can be Canada’s gateway to the Prairies,” a proud resident told me. “And look at Calgary, on the treadmill and gone straight to hell. We prefer to be left alone . . . in our own time, in our own way.”

For a period, Manitoba’s capital did indeed have bold ambitions. Winnipeg was to be our Chicago, a place where prospectors and dreamers could light out from the Fort Garry Hotel to conquer the west and, in so doing, deflate the eastern establishment. It was not to be. The Fort Garry, with its dormer windows, vaulted ceilings, and wondrous Palm Room, stands as a reminder of that long-ago time when the Hudson’s Bay Company held sway. But the winning condition — direct access to natural resources — was not local enough and so a windy transit hub, a city of art, dance, and countercultural energy, some manor homes, the Asper family, angry aboriginals, and dashed hopes, Winnipeg remains.

Calgary, of course, is another matter — a city, depending on your point of view, that is bold, visionary, and in keeping with the Glenbow Museum’s new permanent gallery, “Mavericks: An Incorrigible History of Alberta.” Or it is simply on steroids, a cancerous growth spreading out onto the bald prairie, in a race against time and the market, the centrepiece of a great provincial sucking machine, a magnet for hustlers from near and far. Alberta and the Northwest Territories have led the country in population growth over the past five years, and the reasons are the same: the sweet smell of crude, the frontier mentality of catch-as-catch-can, live today, and screw the begrudgers.

As Saskatchewan fights to keep its young, in Alberta, to help solve chronic labour shortages, the Gaming and Liquor Commission recommended that minors as young as twelve be drawn into the kitchens of bars, lounges, and other dens of iniquity to work. Against the invention of childhood, that humane nineteenth-century notion that the young need shelter from the storm, Alberta demurs, positing instead that they must learn early the merits of work for pay. Premier Ed Stelmach quashed the commission’s proposal but, queried further on Alberta’s child-labour policies and allowances, he announced his province’s exceptionalism: “Sooner or later in this province . . . younger people have to learn the value of hard work.” Nothing wrong, that is, with the modern-day equivalent of England’s dark satanic mills or coal mines.

Sitting between what-might-have-been Winnipeg and what-will-be Calgary — but at a higher latitude, a perch from which a northern consciousness becomes possible — Saskatoon has always enjoyed its relative isolation. As Paris, certainly, it has a long way to go, the boast of elevated taste and civic beauty rooted around the university and in the seven bridges that span the South Saskatchewan River. But as global warming brings Canada’s north a tad south, as the land thaws earlier and the growing season lasts longer, and, with the threat of sustainable development measures on the horizon, as the race for natural resource wealth quickens, it is apparent that Canada’s east-west preoccupation is shifting to what the north and northwest might behold. And there sits Saskatoon, right in the cross hairs, and, if recent announcements are any indication, it is less Paris than Dallas that has politicians, at least, chomping at the bit.

That Saskatchewan is the world’s largest producer of potash and uranium is widely known; that it has beneath its northern soil a motherlode comparable to Alberta’s tar sands less so. The only real difference is that, save for a few exploratory drillings done before the government placed a moratorium on permits until it hammers out regulations, the resource is not being exploited. For the moment. But this stasis cannot hold. Saskatchewan may be losing people, but since 2002, as the Canadian economy has grown by 11 percent, the province has experienced 15 percent growth. To save its young from the Alberta machine and to keep its engines firing, Saskatchewan might have to enter the belly of its own beast. Its political masters are busy selling the province as an investment opportunity, suggesting that ultimately its own oil will be extracted from its own bitumen. In the process, much will be learned about Canada’s emerging sense of itself: a northern country.

www.walrusmagazine.com

^I know it has nothing to do with Saskatoon construction.. but this editorial goes to show that S'toon is getting more and more national attention. In this case, The Walrus, a national newsmagazine touts us as very up and coming. Its good to see that more eyes are turning on us.. and that could indirectly translate into some CONSTRUCTION to discuss on here
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Old Posted May 17, 2007, 5:35 AM
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^ I really enjoyed that, thank you for posting.

Just waiting for an election; goodbye NDP, hello Sask. Party.

Today I cruised around (sorry no pictures ) and stumbled upon a demolished River Racquet club. I hadn't heard anything about that, does anyone have more information for what might be planned for the location, residential or something else? I went to their website, apparently a local developer bought the property. I'm thinking a condo/senior building because that whole area is full of em, but maybe not
     
     
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There's an article in the paper today about how Cameco would like to build downtown. The CEO talked about the River Landing site and kind of hinted that the area would be their first choice although they are open to other alternatives.

I really would like Cameco downtown but I really hope it isn't the River Landing area. I'd much rather have them build say on the old Extra Foods site than right by the river. Building right on the riverbank would not make it a people place and as soon as 5 o'clock hit, there'd be no one coming there. I think it makes great sense for them to be downtown, but we can find them an alternative place that is also nice but doesn't really need to draw people after 5. I'm sure there's people out there that disagree with that.. blast away.
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2007, 2:16 PM
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Cameco!

Big news in the newspaper this morning was Cameco's stated interest in moving downtown. Yahoo! Am also glad that they have no interest in being a developer for the whole site ... just want to build their office. I agree with that completely & think just the addition of 400+ workers downtown should help spur on some restaurants & bars for all those workers. I think it's time for the City to let go of the idea of an all encompassing design & let things develop in stages ... like how neighbourhoods used to develop.
     
     
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Old Posted May 17, 2007, 2:29 PM
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Here's the article (you know, for all the out of towners who browse this thread):

Cameco Wants to be Downtown
Uranium Company Seeks Head Office Pitch from Developers, City

Murray Lyons, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, May 17, 2007

The head of Cameco Corporation says the uranium energy company would like to put its corporate headquarters downtown, but it will be up to real estate development companies, working with city council, to make a head office proposal to Cameco that makes economic sense.

"I don't think you're going to see Cameco be a proponent of anything," president and CEO Jerry Grandey said at the conclusion of the company's annual meeting Wednesday. "We have no interest in building a building. That's not our line of work.

"We would talk to people with ideas of what they want to do and all of that will have to fit city council's notions of what they want. They, like we all know, control the destiny of not just the property they own, but of downtown development."

Grandey said it is speculation on other people's part that Cameco will only consider a downtown site if it gets to be on the riverbank land known as Parcel Y, where a previous hotel-spa proposal has been withdrawn.

"We've never said that at all. That's speculation," Grandey said. "We've just said to the city, 'Preserve the options. Don't foreclose anything.'

"Whether it's there or in another location, I'm certainly open minded and willing to talk to anybody."

Grandey admitted, however, the letter Cameco wrote to council asked council to consider that a head office proposal might be the answer for Parcel Y.

Grandey said the company urged council to "preserve the options of somebody coming in there to meet your expectations and perhaps accommodate what we would really like to see, and I hope downtown would like to see, which is Cameco being there and making a contribution."

Grandey said Cameco is "bursting at the seams" in its current building, but has land in place near its current 11th Street headquarters where it could build a second office tower or some other form of campus head office that could be the alternative to downtown.

"My own view, shared by a lot of people in Cameco, is that years ago we should have been downtown and should be contributing the 450 people we have here to the downtown environment, restaurants and retail and on and on," he said.

"Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the decision was made to build out here.

"I think now there is another opportunity, but it's got to make sense economically to Cameco and we're looking at that."

Grandey says a decision on whether to stay in the 11th Street area or build downtown will have to be made within 12 months.

He says Cameco's cash resources are better used in investing in new uranium production and not in commercial real estate, and that's why it will have to be a developer that works with council on a winning proposal.

"It's the city itself trying to decide what to do and then some people who are in the business trying to meet those needs," he said. "Obviously, the first time around it failed.

"I would just hope we're not out of synch with this, because if it's a real opportunity, it would be a shame to let it pass by again."

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Nice to hear from the horse's mouth what people have been whispering about for awhile. I know I'm not alone here suggesting the corner of 3rd and 23rd...uh I mean 22nd.
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Will be nice if a Developer will now step up to the plate and present a signature mixed used complex that will raise the bar for downtown.
We have a beautful core but sure would be nice to have a standout building or buildings. A mix of Retail, Condos & office with u/g parking would be great.
     
     
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I'm actively trying to not get excited about this, and am preparing myself for a new wing at their 11st site.
     
     
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Hudson Bay Building residential conversion

Sorry for asking, I'm sure it's been discussed a million times here but I couldn't find it. What's the name of the HBC residential conversion project? I'm doing a little research on it. Need to find a website and some pics!

Is anyone familiar with the tax credit program Saskatoon has for this project? I hear it applies to municipal and education taxes. Here in Winnipeg we can only do municipal taxes, which is only half the problem.

Thanks in advance
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It is called 2nd Avenue Lofts and the website (althought not a very good one) is:

http://www.2ndavenuelofts.com/

Sorry, can't answer your question on the taxes, although I believe it is something like a 5 year exemption for downtown residential development, but can't confirm that.
     
     
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The HBC conversion project is called the 2nd Avenue Lofts (http://www.2ndavenuelofts.com/).

I believe the tax credit program is formally called the Downtown Housing Tax Abatement Program, and it's incremental over five years. Beginning on January 1 of the year following the start date, the annual abatement is 100% in year 1, 80% in year 2, 60% in year 3, 40% in year 4, 20% in year 5.

Source: http://www.saskatoon.ca/dtp/housing/tax_abate.html

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Sorry for asking, I'm sure it's been discussed a million times here but I couldn't find it. What's the name of the HBC residential conversion project? I'm doing a little research on it. Need to find a website and some pics!

Is anyone familiar with the tax credit program Saskatoon has for this project? I hear it applies to municipal and education taxes. Here in Winnipeg we can only do municipal taxes, which is only half the problem.

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Great. Thanks a lot. Neat looking project. I'll try and find out more from the City - the email i had bounced back.

Anybody know off the top of their head what 'restricted residency' means?
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Here's the article (you know, for all the out of towners who browse this thread):

Cameco Wants to be Downtown
Uranium Company Seeks Head Office Pitch from Developers, City

Murray Lyons, The StarPhoenix
Published: Thursday, May 17, 2007

The head of Cameco Corporation says the uranium energy company would like to put its corporate headquarters downtown, but it will be up to real estate development companies, working with city council, to make a head office proposal to Cameco that makes economic sense.

"I don't think you're going to see Cameco be a proponent of anything," president and CEO Jerry Grandey said at the conclusion of the company's annual meeting Wednesday. "We have no interest in building a building. That's not our line of work.

"We would talk to people with ideas of what they want to do and all of that will have to fit city council's notions of what they want. They, like we all know, control the destiny of not just the property they own, but of downtown development."

Grandey said it is speculation on other people's part that Cameco will only consider a downtown site if it gets to be on the riverbank land known as Parcel Y, where a previous hotel-spa proposal has been withdrawn.

"We've never said that at all. That's speculation," Grandey said. "We've just said to the city, 'Preserve the options. Don't foreclose anything.'

"Whether it's there or in another location, I'm certainly open minded and willing to talk to anybody."

Grandey admitted, however, the letter Cameco wrote to council asked council to consider that a head office proposal might be the answer for Parcel Y.

Grandey said the company urged council to "preserve the options of somebody coming in there to meet your expectations and perhaps accommodate what we would really like to see, and I hope downtown would like to see, which is Cameco being there and making a contribution."

Grandey said Cameco is "bursting at the seams" in its current building, but has land in place near its current 11th Street headquarters where it could build a second office tower or some other form of campus head office that could be the alternative to downtown.

"My own view, shared by a lot of people in Cameco, is that years ago we should have been downtown and should be contributing the 450 people we have here to the downtown environment, restaurants and retail and on and on," he said.

"Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the decision was made to build out here.

"I think now there is another opportunity, but it's got to make sense economically to Cameco and we're looking at that."

Grandey says a decision on whether to stay in the 11th Street area or build downtown will have to be made within 12 months.

He says Cameco's cash resources are better used in investing in new uranium production and not in commercial real estate, and that's why it will have to be a developer that works with council on a winning proposal.

"It's the city itself trying to decide what to do and then some people who are in the business trying to meet those needs," he said. "Obviously, the first time around it failed.

"I would just hope we're not out of synch with this, because if it's a real opportunity, it would be a shame to let it pass by again."

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Nice to hear from the horse's mouth what people have been whispering about for awhile. I know I'm not alone here suggesting the corner of 3rd and 23rd...uh I mean 22nd.
Hopefully this will lead to a new skyscraper in Toontown.
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I'm actively trying to not get excited about this, and am preparing myself for a new wing at their 11st site.
^Haha now I know none of us should get our hopes up too much. However, I do have the feeling that they're gonna pull it off this time. We've all been drooling over the possibility of a Cameco tower downtown for some time, and with all the initiative for downtown that Atch and the city hall gang are taking they're gonna do their damndest to bring the world's largest uranium producer into our core. The city and council see how downtown has been held back somewhat these past few decades by not having Cameco there, and the same will happen for the next few decades if they dont move downtown. And if they do get Cameco down there and its successful then it could definitely set the trend for other companies that aren't downtown to move right in.

Let me hear your opinion: what downtown location do you think is best suited for Cameco?

I say 22nd and 3rd. I love the idea of driving down 22nd at night and seeing a big shiny black glass tower with the cameco logo all bright and lit up at the top of the tower
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I say 22nd and 3rd. I love the idea of driving down 22nd at night and seeing a big shiny black glass tower with the cameco logo all bright and lit up at the top of the tower

My feelings as well..... Leave R.L. for residential. With the new hopefully tall Holiday Inn being built on 22nd, it would sure add to that street, or as circle calls it, our financial district.
     
     
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^That would certainly add to the street a lot. Once the Holiday Inn is up and hopefully Cameco is too, what we need next for 22nd is a re-development of the midtown parking lot.

I've had in mind for that lot a mixed use development of 3-4 stories. Put retail and restaurants on the ground floor facing 22nd, 23rd and pacific ave. On the upper floors (with terraces overlooking the street) develop artists studios with perhaps an art gallery as well. Perhaps a small performing arts theatre to compliment the Sid Buckwold Theatre at TCU across the street. Build a skywalk connecting TCU with the facility. To add to that, have space to accommodate the YMCA (to replace that god awful looking thing currently next door to TCU Place) and develop the rooftop with tennis courts, a small walking track etc. and a rooftop restaurant. Then, on the corner of 23rd and pacific, build a condo tower as part of the complex to add population to the warehouse district across the street (while we're busy doing all this how bout we rip down the STC depot as well and put up something acceptable!). ..Just a crazy idea ...of course the entrance to the midtown underground parkade would still have to be somewhere on that property too.
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Couldn't agree more on the Location Country!
22nd and 3rd for the Cameco project would be perfect.
     
     
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