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Old Posted May 15, 2007, 10:57 PM
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^ Yes! You're right. I tried to find a render of Glo Wilshire and couldn't. If you can find one, post it and I'll add it to the front page. If you have a picture of Vero completed, I'll add that as well.
Here are some images of Glo I dug up. I hope they help:



I can't believe I dont' have anything handy on Vero.
     
     
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Old Posted May 15, 2007, 11:26 PM
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Thanks, Friday! I'll grab one of those later and update the first thread. Eric Richardson had some good shots of Vero up on Flickr. But when you get a chance, if you can snap a recent pic, I'll post it in the first page.

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^ Is that ad viewable online?
I couldn't find it online. Looks like the web site, but with an orange background. Just go to a Starbucks and grab the business section and look on the back page. You shouldn't have to walk more than 30 or 40 ft. to find a Starbucks in this town.
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Old Posted May 15, 2007, 11:42 PM
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There have been rumors circling that Target is looking at building on Broadway and 8th, right across from the Tower Theater. That rumor has finally made it to curbedLA. There is a person who tells of hearing about it personally and also from a friend who is buying into the Chapman. Has anyone else heard this b/c if this is true, then downtown will be considered by a broader range of people as a place to live, especially if Target goes on the side of town that is currently run down and will be fixed up.
     
     
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Looks like the web site, but with an orange background.

Your heads up about that ad is much appreciated, since I'd otherwise not have known about it. That's not just because I rushed through the paper this morning, but because the ad, on the back page of the business section, didn't really stand out. As you describe it, it's pretty much a duplicate of the cover page of www.parkfifth.com, with some limited text in front of a mostly red background.

I hope the devlpr's willingness to spend thousands of $$ on that ad is a sign of his readiness & commitment. OTOH, why his advertising ppl chose an ad without much ooompf, one lacking a drawing of the bldg, is beyond me.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2007, 2:41 AM
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^ It isn't unheard of for a condo developer to take out a large ad in a newspaper or a magazine only to say nothing about their project or just display their tagline, name of the project, and a phone number.
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I don't know if this was mentioned before, but does anybody know when Park Fifth is projected to break ground?
     
     
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1st quarter 2008 according to today's press release.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2007, 5:58 AM
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Park Fifth Architectural Landmark Elevates ''Infinity Living'' in Downtown L.A.

Opulent, $1 Billion High-Rise Condominiums to Soar as Tallest Residential Edifice in the West

May 15, 2007



LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Los Angeles will be looking up in wonder as the spectacular Park Fifth, the tallest residential building west of Chicago, rises in Downtown Los Angeles. Capital partners Africa Israel and Namco Capital Group along with Houk Development Company are creating an architectural landmark in their visionary plans for Park Fifth, the first luxury residential high-rise to be built in Downtown. The Park Fifth project will also include a five-star hotel, to be operated by one of the leading names in luxury hospitality.

In a defining moment of the renaissance that is transforming the heart of Los Angeles, the estimated $1 billion Park Fifth will elevate the Downtown horizon and bring a new, exciting style of opulent “infinity living” to the corner of Fifth and Olive Streets, across from historic Pershing Square. And it’s almost here—Park Fifth’s sales center, which includes life-sized models of its 732 residential units, will open by appointment in summer 2007, with groundbreaking slated for the first quarter of 2008, highlighting the project’s exquisite taste and luxurious atmosphere; the high-tech wealth of comfort, service and amenities; and the fantasy and flair of Park Fifth’s high-energy, super-connected, here-and-now scene.

Park Fifth living opens an infinite variety of possibilities to its residents’ imagination, from cultural activities, to entertainment and nightlife, to active exploration of L.A.’s vibrant Downtown. The sophisticated design’s expansive glass walls will command floor-to-ceiling, unimpeded panoramic views of the city, from the ocean to the mountains. The striking architecture of Park Fifth, designed by the internationally renowned firm of Kohn Pedersen Fox, integrates the refinement of a New York-style luxury residential tower with the golden, quintessentially Southern Californian climate and lifestyle.

"Loft architecture has dominated the large amount of residential development in Downtown Los Angeles in recent years. We believe the city is ready for a new phase of sophisticated urban living that integrates the upscale urban lifestyle with Southern California’s unique character and natural setting,” said Rich Marr, the project manager. "This pioneering project creates a landmark that will stand as a powerful statement of Downtown Los Angeles’ revitalization into a cultural, entertainment and social center.”

The design features a lofty 76-story tower and a 43-story tower, connected by a 15-story residential bridge. The hotel will occupy the lower floors through the bridge area, and the condominium units in the 43-story tower will be identified with the hotel brand and offer their residents access to the hotel’s amenities and services.

While the 76-story tower will attain icon status as the tallest residential building west of Chicago, two mid-rise buildings surrounding a plaza will relate in height and proportion to the early 20th-century commercial buildings of the historic Downtown core. A monumental, eight-story “urban window” through the Fifth Street façade frames a view into the plaza from Pershing Square.

The plaza embodies the vision of Park Fifth’s creators of a Downtown oasis. Without sacrificing sunlight, open air spaces and green foliage, architecture and nature blend in Park Fifth’s plaza, sky gardens, private lanais and terraces. Glass balconies and floor-to-ceiling windows allow barrier-free views of the vastness of the city and its marvelous natural setting.

Park Fifth will offer 732 living units of varying sizes, attuned to the infinitely varied styles of California living. Choices for residents range from $400,000 to $3 million, including:

• Beautifully appointed units, ideal for live/work spaces

• Pied-à-terre suites designed for commuting professionals

• Two-story, 3,000-square-foot residences, and

• All units equipped with state-of-the-art technology, including telecommunications, entertainment, and next-generation “smart house” systems.

Amenities for residents include:

• Two rooftop pools and oversized whirlpools with food and bar service

• An observation deck on the 76-story tower

• Rooftop gardens on the 15th and 36th floors of the 43-story tower with built-in fire pits

• Fitness rooms in each tower

• 20-seat theater viewing rooms, music and video libraries in each tower, and

• Classrooms for wine tastings, cooking classes and other educational seminars.

The Park Fifth Public Plaza Level features a sculpture garden, water features, a casual café, and an elegant restaurant offering indoor and outdoor dining overlooking the park at Pershing Square. The hotel at Park Fifth features a luxurious health spa offering treatments to residents and guests.

The world-class Park Fifth project team includes design by globally renowned architect Eugene Kohn of Kohn Pedersen Fox (KPF), who was responsible for such imaginative venues as the Rodin Museum (Seoul), the award-winning towers and urban courtyard of De Hoftoren (the Hague and the Museum of Modern Art, New York). The Los Angeles office of the Leo A. Daly architectural firm will assist KPF to complete working drawings and provide construction supervision. Interior design is by the leading international firm Hirsch Bedner Associates.

About Park Fifth Development Partners

Park Fifth’s capital partners, Africa Israel and Namco Capital Group, along with development partner Houk Development Company, bring a wealth of experience and capability to the venture. Africa Israel is a publicly traded, Israel-based international development company with a strong U.S. presence with its U.S. headquarters in New York and multiple projects underway in Manhattan, Miami, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina and now Los Angeles. Brentwood, CA-based Namco Capital Group owns and manages more than 10 million square feet of residential and commercial projects in Southern California and across the U.S. Namco also owns a community bank in Los Angeles, operates an insurance brokerage firm, serves as a large 1031 exchange accommodator and has an active mezzanine financing division. Houk Development Company has been responsible for numerous high-profile projects throughout the Los Angeles area for nearly 30 years. Based in Los Angeles, the company has been a major participant in the Downtown renaissance and currently owns, develops and manages real estate properties in Southern California.

For more information please visit www.parkfifth.com or call (213) 629-0000 for an appointment.

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Old Posted May 16, 2007, 11:02 AM
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Old Posted May 16, 2007, 11:55 AM
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This is a very exciting project.
     
     
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Old Posted May 16, 2007, 2:47 PM
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Thumbs down Some Facts of Life as They Relate to Condo Tower Construction . . .

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[/b]The devlpr was quoted just a few wks ago that they'd start work as soon as Oct of this yr. Now it's 2008?

The devlpr of the Titan towers, the olympic & city House, originally said they'd break ground in 2007. Last I heard, it's now sometime next yr.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on m......

....oh, hell, if a devlpr raises everyone's hopes up high, only to cause them to come crashing down later, their head should be ripped off!!!

820 ft? I thought it was going to be taller than the AON bldg, which is around 868 ft tall.

Then again, I don't want to get too picky about the bldg's height. Just build the damn thing & hurry up & get rid of that parking lot at 5th & Olive.
It currently costs about $525 an FAR square foot to build a condo tower up to 240 feet in the sky. That number includes land acquisition, hard costs, soft costs and interest carry. If a developer pierces the 240 foot height barrier, add about 30% more to construction costs. Soooo, The Park Fifth should run somewhere around $685 per FAR square foot to build.

Today, condo sales in Downtown L.A. are averaging around $540 per net sellable square foot - considerably LESS than it costs to build a tower like Park Fifth. However, condos trading in new high rise projects are averaging around $650 per net sellable square foot. Still - considerably less than it costs to build a tower like Park Fifth. In order to make a tower like Park Fifth "pencil" a Developer would need to target its sales effort to a much different buyer - possibly to overseas buyers of ultra-luxury condominiums. Truly a very risky gamble!!

The only tower that is under construction today that is selling to buyers of ultra-luxury condominiums is The Ritz Condos. AEG is planning on averaging $1,200 per net sellable square foot at The Ritz Residences. So far, I understand they've got reservations for about 60 residences out of approximately 250 units - and they've only been marketing for about four weeks.

The disparity between construction costs and today's market sell-out rates is what is causing Developers to continue to push back their start dates. Only the very bold and well financed Developers, such as AEG and Meruelo/Maddux, are throwing caution to the wind - believing that the Downtown L.A. condo market will experience another pricing boost. Frankly, when one considers the impact L.A. Live! will have on Downtown when it is completed in 2010, I'm betting with Phil Anschutz (AEG) and Meruelo/Maddux.

Bottom line . . . Developers like Titan and Astani (9th & Figueroa) will be able to break ground on their projects only when The Ritz Residences and or Meruelo/Maddux's condos sell out at an average of $1,200 per net sellable square foot. Before then, there are very few, or no lenders willing to stomach that kind of risk.

Just my humble opinion.
     
     
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So Park 5th is going to have an observation deck on the 76th floor? That's awesome and something LA needs more of, even if it is only for residents. I was in Tokyo last week and virtually every tower in the city has an observation level... I can't think of one in LA, besides all these "pool decks".
     
     
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the only part I dont like is that big exposed white part at the top
     
     
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It currently costs about $525 an FAR square foot to build a condo tower up to 240 feet in the sky. That number includes land acquisition, hard costs, soft costs and interest carry. If a developer pierces the 240 foot height barrier, add about 30% more to construction costs. Soooo, The Park Fifth should run somewhere around $685 per FAR square foot to build.

Today, condo sales in Downtown L.A. are averaging around $540 per net sellable square foot - considerably LESS than it costs to build a tower like Park Fifth. However, condos trading in new high rise projects are averaging around $650 per net sellable square foot. Still - considerably less than it costs to build a tower like Park Fifth. In order to make a tower like Park Fifth "pencil" a Developer would need to target its sales effort to a much different buyer - possibly to overseas buyers of ultra-luxury condominiums. Truly a very risky gamble!!

The only tower that is under construction today that is selling to buyers of ultra-luxury condominiums is The Ritz Condos. AEG is planning on averaging $1,200 per net sellable square foot at The Ritz Residences. So far, I understand they've got reservations for about 60 residences out of approximately 250 units - and they've only been marketing for about four weeks.

The disparity between construction costs and today's market sell-out rates is what is causing Developers to continue to push back their start dates. Only the very bold and well financed Developers, such as AEG and Meruelo/Maddux, are throwing caution to the wind - believing that the Downtown L.A. condo market will experience another pricing boost. Frankly, when one considers the impact L.A. Live! will have on Downtown when it is completed in 2010, I'm betting with Phil Anschutz (AEG) and Meruelo/Maddux.

Bottom line . . . Developers like Titan and Astani (9th & Figueroa) will be able to break ground on their projects only when The Ritz Residences and or Meruelo/Maddux's condos sell out at an average of $1,200 per net sellable square foot. Before then, there are very few, or no lenders willing to stomach that kind of risk.

Just my humble opinion.

Very interesting, and also very sobering. I agree on betting with Phil and Murelo/Maddux... not to mention the Grand Ave and Metropolis Projects. When all of these projects come "online" there will be something worth visiting in downtown, people will then want to live there... right now its all in drawings and renderings and little brick and mortar.

I keep thinking that once Frank Gehry's Mandarin Oriental Hotel, LA Live's Ritz and Nokia Plaza is up and running, the snowball will start to gain speed over the rest of downtown. At that point, the folk interested in moving into downtown will increase, especially amongst those ultra-luxury buyers!
     
     
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cole... on the first page, you have the Ingraham tower listed as 1111 Ingraham Street and it should be 1110 Ingraham Street. Just a minor typo.
     
     
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the only part I dont like is that big exposed white part at the top
I hate that white box, it would look alot better if it were a lit glass crown. Other than that, love it
     
     
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Not to be negative or anything and let me apologize to anyone I may offend in advance, but am I alone in thinking that the color scheme of the Glo development is just plain fugly? <---- Yeah, it's almost that shade, too!
     
     
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I hate that white box, it would look alot better if it were a lit glass crown. Other than that, love it
If you take a close look at the Title Guarantee building, the top is a big white block also. I don't think they intend to do that at the top of the building.
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If you take a close look at the Title Guarantee building, the top is a big white block also. I don't think they intend to do that at the top of the building.
But it doesnt look like that in person, its more detailed; which is what I hope they do with park 5th, make it more than what it is in the pics.
     
     
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Thumbs up Sell Beverly Hills - Buy Downtown (now!) . . .

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Very interesting, and also very sobering. I agree on betting with Phil and Murelo/Maddux... not to mention the Grand Ave and Metropolis Projects. When all of these projects come "online" there will be something worth visiting in downtown, people will then want to live there... right now its all in drawings and renderings and little brick and mortar.

I keep thinking that once Frank Gehry's Mandarin Oriental Hotel, LA Live's Ritz and Nokia Plaza is up and running, the snowball will start to gain speed over the rest of downtown. At that point, the folk interested in moving into downtown will increase, especially amongst those ultra-luxury buyers!
ABSOLUTELY!!!

We just have about three years of torturous anticipation before Downtown Los Angeles is truly on fire!!

Just an FYI . . . Metropolis is mired in a well mounted CEQA lawsuit, which, I believe, will take IDS years to sort out. Don't look for a groundbreaking for this project anytime in the near future. I kinda feel sorry for their lender, Fremont Savings & Loan. They're gonna seriously take it in the shorts if the economy goes south while Metropolis remains in litigation. (on second thought . . . why should I feel sorry for a friggin bank?)

Interesting story . . . Candy & Candy just purchased an unentitled development site for about 250 ultra-high end condos behind the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. They paid about $2m per door for land acquisition - which is unheard of in southern California. Candy & Candy believes that the
Über Rich will pay upwards of $8,000 per square foot to live in Beverly Hills.

Two weeks later, I was talking to a competitor of Candy & Candy's about C&C's Beverly Hills purchase. I told the competitor that, for the life of me, I couldn't understand why C&C thought the Über Rich would want to live in sleepy little old Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills is sooooo "last century!" The 21st Century place to be in Southern California will be Downtown Los Angeles and nowhere else.


Ya know what?? Candy & Candy's competitor completely agreed!!

Sell Beverly Hills. Buy Downtown (now!).

     
     
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