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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 2:44 PM
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Ya, but do you realize that the list you just gave me is of buildings that could not be repaired due to Regina's gumbo soil shifting and cracking all the buildings beyond repair.
     
     
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Ya, but do you realize that the list you just gave me is of buildings that could not be repaired due Regina's gumbo soil shifting and cracking all the buildings beyond repair.
All of them, none could be saved ?

I gather you've seen the engineers report for all of them ?

The fact is my statement still stands, the elimination of the M& D building reduced office space in Regina, massively. There are two ways to lower vacancy rates: Fill the space with renters or destroy the space. Regina has more former then latter.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:04 PM
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I know for a fact the Medical and Dental centre could not be saved without massive amounts of money and I mean massive. The Bay parkade was also beyond repair but lets face it, that ugly thing is no real loss.


A little before my time and maybe before yours MQ there was a place called City Hall where the Galleria I mean new Federal Building is located. You may or may not have seen pictures of it.. anyway it was a beautiful building that in my mind was a deep shame to have lost. City Hall at the time wanted to save this building but due to our soil in Regina it was also beyond repair and unfortunatly it was demolished. My point from all of this is Regina is going to have to knock over some buildings no matter how beautiful because the ground in which this city sits dictates that. I would like to see the city save as many old buildings as possible but I also want to see progress but in Regina new buildings or parking lots are inevitable.

I could keep going on how some of our newer buildings are fairing (some not so well) in our Gumbo but I think people get my point.
     
     
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I know for a fact the Medical and Dental centre could not be saved without massive amounts of money and I mean massive. The Bay parkade was also beyond repair but lets face it, that ugly thing is no real loss.


A little before my time and maybe before yours MQ there was a place called City Hall where the Galleria I mean new Federal Building is located. You may or may not have seen pictures of it.. anyway it was a beautiful building that in my mind was a deep shame to have lost. City Hall at the time wanted to save this building but due to our soil in Regina it was also beyond repair and unfortunatly it was demolished. My point from all of this is Regina is going to have to knock over some buildings no matter how beautiful because the ground in which this city sits dictates that. I would like to see the city save as many old buildings as possible but I also want to see progress but in Regina new buildings or parking lots are inevitable.

I could keep going on how some of our newer buildings (some not so well) are fairing in our Gumbo but I think people get my point.
Great points darthrider, but it might be wise to save your breath as Quimby will dissect that post somehow and find another reason to whine like 4 year old who wants a box of smarties.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:12 PM
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I know for a fact the Medical and Dental centre could not be saved without massive amounts of money and I mean massive. The Bay parkade was also beyond repair but lets face it, that ugly thing is no real loss.


A little before my time and maybe before yours MQ there was a place called City Hall where the Galleria I mean new Federal Building is located. You may or may not have seen pictures of it.. anyway it was a beautiful building that in my mind was a deep shame to have lost. City Hall at the time wanted to save this building but due to our soil in Regina it was also beyond repair and unfortunatly it was demolished. My point from all of this is Regina is going to have to knock over some buildings no matter how beautiful because the ground in which this city sits dictates that. I would like to see the city save as many old buildings as possible but I also want to see progress but in Regina new buildings or parking lots are inevitable.

I could keep going on how some of our newer buildings are fairing (some not so well) in our Gumbo but I think people get my point.
Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.

However, what cost is too prohibitive and to whom ? why is it cheaper to destroy and rebuild ? Is it truly cheaper over 25 years or more, taking into account the costs of the materials overtime increases greatly ? What do we lose by not investing in our history ?

Money is a factor but it shouldn't be the only one.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:15 PM
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Great points darthrider, but it might be wise to save your breath as Quimby will dissect that post somehow and find another reason to whine like 4 year old who wants a box of smarties.


Thanks Migs!

I just wanted to point out that things aren't always black and white. Regina has a lot going for it but also had some tough times in the past that we still for the lack of a better word pay for today. The cyclone of 1912 is one example that destroyed a ton of beautiful old buildings which is a shame but it is what it is. I could go on and on.
     
     
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[QUOTE=Mayor Quimby;2809527]Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:28 PM
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However, what cost is too prohibitive and to whom? The Taxpayerwhy is it cheaper to destroy and rebuild? Just cause it is. Look at how many times they have jacked up and re-inforced the Leg just to have it keep cracking and falling apart. Now by no means am I saying knock that over. What I am trying to say is we need to concentrate on saving the buildings that really mean something. You can't save everything.

Is it truly cheaper over 25 years or more, taking into account the costs of the materials overtime increases greatly ? What do we lose by not investing in our history ? Our forefathers didn't realize the extent to which the soil here would harm buildings. So fixing and fixing buildings over and over would be more expensive than building new with new technology and piles that go deeper into the ground preventing structural damage.
Money is a factor but it shouldn't be the only one.[/QUOTE] No, but there is only so much to go around and everyone wants their share.


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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:29 PM
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Sorry messed up the post, I was trying to reply to MQ's comments directly
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:35 PM
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Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.
Totally over the line Quimby and totally nothing to back up that comment with. You truly are an embarrasment and I am ashamed that someone such as yourself resides in our great city.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:37 PM
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Totally over the line Quimby and totally nothing to back up that comment with. You truly are an embarrasment and I am ashamed that someone such as yourself resides in our great city.
Your backing up Dewdney now ? Wow.

Those that run Regina have had issue with land development, had their own land developed, for years since then and that is also currently the case.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:46 PM
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[QUOTE=Mayor Quimby;2809527]Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.

Actually I think Regina's soil dates back to somewhere around the time of well.... the beginning of time
     
     
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Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.

Actually I think Regina's soil dates back to somewhere around the time of well.... the beginning of time
Zing ! alright ya got me the soil been around since the last glacier receded but the building of Pile O'Bones is rampant with bribes and fraud, like today.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 3:59 PM
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Zing ! alright ya got me the soil been around since the last glacier receded but the building of Pile O'Bones is rampant with bribes and fraud, like today.

Oh my..... Well MQ I am not saying things did or didn't happen in the past (fraud) but man the city is where it is and we have to live with it. We need to concentrate our efforts on getting the message out about how beautiful and great this city is. I for one get very excited about many (all) of the construction and want to hear more about the plans for our great city and that's why I am here. We have some great people on here that I think feel the same as me (Migs, Chaps, Regina Guy and many others) and I don't want them to be driven away by de-railing this thread. Everyone hears stuff and I want to continue coming here and seeing what others have heard about upcoming projects in our city.
     
     
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Oh my..... Well MQ I am not saying things did or didn't happen in the past (fraud) but man the city is where it is and we have to live with it. We need to concentrate our efforts on getting the message out about how beautiful and great this city is. I for one get very excited about many (all) of the construction and want to hear more about the plans for our great city and that's why I am here. We have some great people on here that I think feel the same as me (Migs, Chaps, Regina Guy and many others) and I don't want them to be driven away by de-railing this thread. Everyone hears stuff and I want to continue coming here and seeing what others have heard about upcoming projects in our city.
That is really sweet of you but I also enjoy coming here and showing you that their are different opinions and that any development is not good development. If you do not agree, I recommend not responding or block my posts. However, I will continue to take part in this forum and have received many PMs that have told me I am right and standing up to the Fiaccoists is needed.

So you can ignore, enjoy or get angry but I'll keep posting.
     
     
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Old Posted May 2, 2007, 4:37 PM
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Post away, lets just remember this forum is Regina construction and that's what we should talk about.
     
     
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Post away, lets just remember this forum is Regina construction and that's what we should talk about.
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Your completely right about Regina's soil and that dates back to the first crooked boss of the city, we still have them.

Actually I think Regina's soil dates back to somewhere around the time of well.... the beginning of time
well, the last ice age.. not that it matters lol.

And Quimby, I hate Dewdney just as much as the next Reginan, and I agree, he was crooked. But we would have had the same clay soil even if the city would have been founded further down the creek. Only difference in the soil would be the sand in the valley
     
     
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well, the last ice age.. not that it matters lol.

And Quimby, I hate Dewdney just as much as the next Reginan, and I agree, he was crooked. But we would have had the same clay soil even if the city would have been founded further down the creek. Only difference in the soil would be the sand in the valley
The original plans were for Qu'Appelle, the soil is not gumbo out there.
     
     
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Canada's top places to live - Regina's number 39!

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Weather (out of a total of 20 points)
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Housing (15 points)
This category included two sub-categories: Average absolute house prices (7.5 points; the higher the average house price the lower the score), and time to buy a house (7.5 points; this was calculated by dividing the average house prices by the average pre-tax household incomes for the community, and the higher the number of years to buy a house, the lower the score). Sources: house prices from MLS, average estimated 2007 household incomes from Canadian Demographics, FPMarkets/MapInfo.

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New Cars (5 points)
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Unemployment (10 points)
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Walk/Bike to Work (10 points)
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Population Growth (10 points)
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Crime (7.5 points)
The total number of homicides in each community per 100,000 population. The higher the number of homicides, the lower the score. Source: Statistics Canada.

Medical Professionals (7.5 points)
The number of physicians, dentists, optometrists, chiropractors, etc. per 1,000 population in each community in 2001. The higher the number of health professionals, the higher the score. Source: Statistics Canada.

Amenities (5 points)
We awarded up to 2 points for public transit and 1 point each for a hospital, university or college. Sources: Statistics Canada, web searches.

Attractions (up to 4 bonus points)
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